Wednesday, August 01, 2007

BREAKING: Sri Sri Kowtows To Kreepalu

File under: Satscams and The Siddhi of PR

A reader just spilled the beans on who Sri Sri Ravi Shankar really looks up to:
I was initially involved with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. He has stated that Jagatguru Maharaj ji is the supreme spiritual master. I had trust in Sri Sri's opinion, so I decided to meet [Kreepalu] personally. He is now my master too and I am glad.
Maybe Sri Sri admires Kreepalu because he's known to be a stone cold playa' who's nabbing the tail right and left as he skates on felony criminal charges. In any case, it's nice to see that Sri Sri uses the same flavor of Kool-Aid that Kreepalu uses. Between the two of them, a goodly portion of the guru-following masses in India can now rest easy in the knowledge that they will never come to self-realization by believing in either of these flimflamming fame hogs.

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At 8/01/2007 2:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A goodly portion of the guru-following masses in India can now rest easy in the knowledge that they will never come to self-realization by believing in either of these flimflamming fame whores."

Sir,
Can you please give us a list of who, in modern times, and who is still alive, is an authentic Hindu Spiritual master?

You consider Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and Kripaluji to be "flimflamming fame whores".

Can you compile a list of all the spiritual masters who are *not* "flimflamming fame whores".

The 4 shankaracharyas of India are regarded by many as the leaders of Hinduism; are they also in your opinion "flimflamming fame whores".

If there is no spiritual leader who is not a "flimflamming fame whores", am i justified in saying that you consider the Hindu religion to be over or should it be abolished?

If the Hindu religion is over or if it should be abolished, is there any other way to achieve enlightemnet or to find a God?

If there is no way to find a God, are you saying that a God doesn't exist, or just that in modern times it is not possiable to attain him.

If there is no God, or no way to attain him, then can you please advise me on what I, an simple Hindu spiritual aspirant should do?

Thanks.

 
At 8/01/2007 3:06 PM, Blogger jody said...

Can you please give us a list of who, in modern times, and who is still alive, is an authentic Hindu Spiritual master?

I'm sure there are many thousands of authentic masters with small, humble ashrams all across India. I can't make any recommendations as I'm not there to survey them, but if you take your time and look around, I'm sure you will find somebody.

Can you compile a list of all the spiritual masters who are *not* "flimflamming fame whores".

You can start by crossing all famous, fame-seeking gurus off the list. How do you tell if a guru is fame-seeking? See if he/she has a press relations department.

The 4 shankaracharyas of India are regarded by many as the leaders of Hinduism; are they also in your opinion "flimflamming fame whores".

Do they have "press relations" departments? Do they seek to make themselves famous? Do they claim magic powers for themselves as a result of their enlightenment? Do they claim to be more divine than you and I?

If there is no spiritual leader who is not a "flimflamming fame whores", am i justified in saying that you consider the Hindu religion to be over or should it be abolished?

That's putting words into my mouth. If you took all the fame-seeking gurus out of the picture, I suspect you'd still have thousands of worthy teachers all over India.

can you please advise me on what I, an simple Hindu spiritual aspirant should do?

Pray to God for surrender and nothing else.

 
At 8/01/2007 4:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm sure there are many thousands of authentic masters with small, humble ashrams all across India. I can't make any recommendations as I'm not there to survey them, but if you take your time and look around, I'm sure you will find somebody."

Which person told you that there are many thousands of authentic masters in India; and how do you know if that person is telling the truth. Have you met any of these authentic masters?
It's reasonable for me to ask you to name some main ones from the set of "authentic masters". If there are thousands of "authentic masters" in India, it should be easy to name a few. At least name some prominent ones.

"Do they have "press relations" departments? Do they seek to make themselves famous? Do they claim magic powers for themselves as a result of their enlightenment? Do they claim to be more divine than you and I?"

I'm asking you, do you consider the 4 shankaracharyas, who are considered the main leaders of Hinduism by many, to be fraudulent? Do you consider them to be an authority on spiritual matters or not.

"If you took all the fame-seeking gurus out of the picture, I suspect you'd still have thousands of worthy teachers all over India."

It's easy to make that claim, but on what basis can you make such a claim that there are thousands of worthy teachers all over India. Can you provide evidence. Who told you that there are "thousands of worthy teachers all over India". If someone told you that, then who was it, and how do you know he's telling the truth?

 
At 8/01/2007 8:09 PM, Blogger jody said...

If there are thousands of "authentic masters" in India, it should be easy to name a few.

It's pure speculation on my part. Maybe there are none. To tell you the truth, I don't really know.

Do you consider [the shankaracharyas] to be an authority on spiritual matters or not.

Not the one I heard speaking in Cerrillos, California, a few years ago. He was a foaming-at-the-mouth, racist, radical Hindu nationalist. If he was white and living in the South of the U.S., he'd be a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

on what basis can you make such a claim that there are thousands of worthy teachers all over India

My guru is from India, enlightened, yet not a fame whore. Based on that, and the size of India, and the fact that I know enough enlightened folks over here that I have to use my hands and feet to count them; I figure that there's got to be at least a few thousand low-key realizers in India who don't make it all about themselves in a quest for personal fame and glory.

However, your mileage may vary. What I do know is that any guru who makes it about themselves is not worthy of the title, no matter how many rubes they have following them.

 
At 8/01/2007 10:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

These guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. They do not know who shankaracharya is or what a saint really means. How many of them live in idea. Its funny that they try to sound so sure of things but in reality have no idea what is going on in the spiriual world. Fame is not asked by them but given to them. I wonder if they ever see their guru or lord himself would they give them rags to sit on or a special place in the best room in the house...?

 
At 8/01/2007 10:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there are thousands of "authentic masters" in India, it should be easy to name a few.

It's pure speculation on my part. Maybe there are none. To tell you the truth, I don't really know.

YOU HAVE WON THE SPECULATION AWARD!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO SHANKRACHARYA IS AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE GURUS ALL THIS TIME!!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!

 
At 8/01/2007 10:56 PM, Blogger jody said...

They do not know who shankaracharya is or what a saint really means.

Actually, I do know who Shankara is, and I also know what a shankaracharya is. I saw one speak in Cerritos, California about 6 years ago.

And as far as a saint is concerned, the thing that makes a person saintly has nothing to do with fame and renown, which can be engineered quite easily. Take Kreepalu's engineered declaration of jagadgurudom, for example.

I wonder if they ever see their guru or lord himself would they give them rags to sit on or a special place in the best room in the house...?

Putting out your best china is one thing, watching the guy boink to his heart's content while you live in denial is quite another.

 
At 8/02/2007 7:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"My guru is from India, enlightened, yet not a fame whore"

Name some of the prominent Gurus of Inida.

I'm asking you, do you consider the 4 shankaracharyas, who are considered the main leaders of Hinduism by many, to be fraudulent?

 
At 8/02/2007 8:01 AM, Blogger jody said...

I'm asking you, do you consider the 4 shankaracharyas, who are considered the main leaders of Hinduism by many, to be fraudulent?

I'm telling you, the shankaracharya I saw speak in California six years ago was a rabid nationalist monster. So yes, at the very least, that particular shankaracharya was a travesty rather than a sage of any kind. Unfortunately, I can't recall his name, so I don't know which one of the four he was.

 
At 8/02/2007 8:38 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

nksyGettin back to this Kreepalu asshole for a second: whatever the Shankaracharyas may or may not be, this galoot deserves to be castrated and made to ride through the streets side saddle on She She Ravi Shrunknard's back. Anybody who has sex with little girls and the wives and mothers of his devotees after conning them into believing he is God AND demanding money from them is not a saint in my book, good buddy.

As far as the Shankaracharyas go, one was accused of murder, which may be bullshit, I don't know-- and there has been a feud goin on for nearly 50 years who is the Shankaracharya of the North. Two or more claim the title and have had each other beaten up a number of times. It is not the whiteman who is responsible for the moral decay of Hindu gurus. You Indians have been putting up with really bad behavior for a long time from these so called godmen. Why not go to them with your anger and demand that they actually BE the enlightened and wise and all loving folks they claim to be.

 
At 8/02/2007 9:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gopi Krishna provided detailed descriptions of the harm incurred by many people, including his own father, who trustfully put their faith in authoritarian gurus.

And the period covered in Gopi's book was long before hordes of guru craving Westerners showed up on the scene.

Gopi told of a friend who invited him to see the friend's guru.

Gopi went with this friend to the guru's dashan. To Gopi's dismay, this guru expected each and every person in the room to come up to him and bow in full prostration.

Each time a devotee grovelled at the guru's feet, the guru planted a foot on the prostrate devotee's neck.

He gazed at Gopi Krishna, expecting him to come forward.

Gopi Krishna refused to participate.

"What then was the occasion of this humiliating salutation, resembling the posture of a slave cringing at the feet of his master to beg the boon of his life for some offense he had committed? When even intelligent people forget their dignity and prostrate themselves at the feet of gurus or spiritual teachers in such an abject fashion as if their very life rested in his hands is a phenomenon hard to explain.

Gopi Krishna, Living With Kundalini, pages 336-7.

Gopi wrote as an Indian, about Indians. He experienced a kundalini surge that disrupted his health and would not have survived had it not been for the loving care and dedicated home nursing provided by his wife and children.

Gopi Krishna was in dificult economic circumstances. When word spread that he was experiencing yogic phenomena, droves of people showed up at his house, trying to turn him into a guru.

Knowing that he had no qualificatins to function in that role, Gopi Krishna refused--and it would have been easy to give in this temptation. Had Krishna been willing to play to the gallery, he could easily have gained a following and an income.

But Gopis own father had impovrished the family by supporting legions of sadhus and gurus, and his son refused to get involved with these matters.

Indians have been dealing with this long before Westerners showed up and accelerated commercialization for a process that had long been part of the culture and which troubled sensitive and honest persons like Gopi Krishna.

He could be considered one of Jody's unknown teachers, except that Gopi Krishna was so very honest that he refused to collect a following. He waited until the end of his life to write his book, only doing so hoping to encourage others to research kundalini using scientific means.

 
At 8/02/2007 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...guru craving Westerners showed up on the scene.
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I find the self flaggelation of my fellow westerners to be silly. Long before we were being fooled by fake saints and gods like Kreepalu, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Maharishi, Sai Baba, Muktananda, Swami Rama, Yogi Bhajan, Sant Keshavadas, and so many others, Indians were being fooled by the millions even though it has been part of their culture for thousands of years. It has been part of our culture for maybe 60 years and we have already learned that most of these so called gurus are degenerates.

 
At 8/03/2007 7:47 AM, Anonymous freefall said...

Jody said:

Not the one I heard speaking in Cerrillos, California, a few years ago. He was a foaming-at-the-mouth, racist, radical Hindu nationalist. If he was white and living in the South of the U.S., he'd be a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Jody, shankaracharyas do not go outside India. They follow some ancient code that forbids them crossing the sea. But then, it is India. There are many self-styled globe-trotting shankaracharyas too.

Anon said:

These guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. They do not know who shankaracharya is or what a saint really means.

Well, I know a bit about shankaracharyas. Jyotir mutt lost its lineage about a century back and there are at least three claimants today for the title.

Puri has two shankaracharyas fighting it out in High Court. High Court has restrained one of them from entering the city till the case is settled.

Earlier I had thought kanchi and shringeri shankaracharyas, true proponents of advaita. May be I was too carried away by the past stalwarts of Kanchi and Shringeri viz. Chandrashekharendra Saraswati and Abhinava Tirth. But look where their shankaracharyas stand today. One of them is implicated in a murder case and the other one is a reluctant incumbent all too eager to leave the seat any time.

I'm asking you, do you consider the 4 shankaracharyas, who are considered the main leaders of Hinduism by many, to be fraudulent?

I do not think that shankaracharyas were ever the leaders of hinduism. Not to talk of shudras and untouchables, shankaracharyas were not even leaders of upper caste hindus. Ask a vaishnavite and they have their own jeeyer swamis and udupi swamis as leaders. For them, all shankaracharyas including the original shankar are fake.

At best, shankaracharyas were and continue to be the leaders of a minuscule and elite tradition of hinduism.

 
At 8/03/2007 9:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Jody, shankaracharyas do not go outside India."

Jody, yes this is true, you know nothing of Gurudom.

"I do not think that shankaracharyas were ever the leaders of hinduism"

See link:http://tinyurl.com/3d7n6z
Hindu India is led by four Shankaracharyas, a bit like having four popes..

See link:http://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/هندويزم
For many Hindus, the four Shankaracharyas are viewed as the four highest Patriarchs of the Hindudom.

 
At 8/03/2007 10:02 AM, Blogger jody said...

Jody, yes this is true, you know nothing of Gurudom.

It's convenient for you to believe that. It preserves the delusions you've enshrined.

I saw a man speak who was ADVERTISED to be a shankaracharya. He spoke at a big Hindu temple. Whether he was a "real" shankaracharya or not, I can't say. But I can say unequivocally that he was promoted to be a shankaracharya, and his speech was the worst collection of racist hate that I've ever encountered in my life.

I'm not purporting myself to be an expert in gurudom, I'm a person using Vedanta as a lens with which I critique so-called divine persons. The fact that it comes into conflict the some of the hallowed delusions of Hinduism is something you folks should be looking at more closely. All these so-called divine gurus pay lip service to the nondual truth of Vedanta, but each of them to a person shits right on top of those truths in their lustful rush to be rich and famous.

Wake up, fools. You've been duped by these con men for thousands of years. They have nothing on you in terms of your own divinity. Pay attention to what Vivekananda said, rather than getting all misty about the fact he was revered as the first true Indian hero in the West.

 
At 8/03/2007 10:26 AM, Anonymous freefall said...

Anon said:

See link:http://tinyurl.com/3d7n6z
Hindu India is led by four Shankaracharyas, a bit like having four popes..


Anon, you irritate me.

It seems you are completely ignorant of the traditions of ramanuja and madhwa. Both of them trounced shankara and his non-dualism like no one else. Both of these schools have sizable following even today in southern india and shankaracharyas are anathema to them - disguised buddhists, or even demon, so to speak. I suggest you take some time off from google search and spend some time in udupi and jeeyer ashrams to understand what I am saying.

And before claiming that hindu india is led by shankaracharyas find out, how many shudra disciples have been taken by shankaracharyas in entire 1200 year history of shankar mutts. I am ready to back my statement that shankaracharyas represent only a minuscule and elitist tradition of hinduism - not the entire Hindu india.

 
At 8/03/2007 12:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It seems you are completely ignorant of the traditions of ramanuja and madhwa".

"Both of these schools have sizable following even today in southern india and shankaracharyas are anathema to them."

OK, thanks for correcting me. You are saying that the Shankaracharya tradition does not entirely represent the Hindu tradition.

In that case, are you saying that the ramanuja and madhwa traditions are authentic representations of Hinduism.

In otherwords, if I follow those traditions, can i trust that i am following one of the most authentic and authoritative traditions in India.

Or, are these traditions just involved in fame horedom.

 
At 8/03/2007 12:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I saw a man speak who was ADVERTISED to be a shankaracharya. He spoke at a big Hindu temple."

Anyone can call themselves a Shankaracharya. However, there are only four Shankaracharyas. The one you met was not one of those.

 
At 8/03/2007 3:48 PM, Blogger CHUCK said...

anonymuscle head said...The one you met was not one of those.
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Jody, he was likely the junior pontiff form the Kanchi Mutt, set up to succeed the same fellow who was accused of murder. I remember this fellow came to the west some years ago and the shit hit the fan! He got into some serious trouble I believe. What's amazing to me if the nit picking religious self righteousness of religionists like this follower of Shakaracharya and this Free Fall fellow who seems to actually believe that philosophical arguments that happened a thousand years ago matter a hill of beans in our present milieu!

But since Free Fall is a Vaishnava I can see why he'd want to support Kreepyloo! I wonder if these Vaishnavas have secret hand shakes like the Masons do?

 
At 8/03/2007 3:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He spoke at a big Hindu temple."
Which one?

 
At 8/03/2007 7:22 PM, Blogger cosmicwaters said...

The are four main maths but over time many sub maths and mini maths have apparently cropped up, some loosely associated with one of the main maths, some that may have been associated at some point in the past, and many of which have apparently been arround for some time, each with their own presiding Shankaracharya or so it is said (I've never been to any of them myself).

Still I do believe at least one of the (4) Shankaracharyas did visit the West briefly on at least one occasion though I might be dead wrong about that.

I did visit Jyotir Math(both of them, they are right next door to one another), the Northern seat, a year ago May. Saw a only a handful of pilgims and that during pilgrimage season when countless throngs are making their way to Badrinath, a couple hours further up the road. The Shankaracharyas may get lip service from some but really they are just figure heads for Shankara's vedanta. They are not important in the lives of your average joe hindu (average pradeep???) who are not so much influenced by Vedanta as by Puranic ideas. There is no unifying organised body in "Hinduism" at who's head one could place a "pope" figure and one acharya is not more authentic a representitive of Hinduism than another. Adi Shankara taught the non-dual spiritual/philisophical system of advaita vedanta, Madhava and Ramanuja taught religious vaishnavism dressed in the language of vedanta and they and their religious heirs are quite hostile towards Shankara and his heirs as their teaching contradicts the religious doctrines of the Vaishnava schools.


To sum up: There are no leaders in Hinduism who represent more than a slice of the whole. In truth, its the free-lance outlet mall type gurus such as Sai Baba, Shri Shri and Amachi who attract much larger numbers than any traditional head of sect or order could ever hope to.

Maybe its all just part of a necessary evil that must accompany the freedom of the religious anarchy that practically defines the Indian spiritual-religious scene.

 
At 8/04/2007 7:46 AM, Anonymous freefall said...

Anon said:

In that case, are you saying that the ramanuja and madhwa traditions are authentic representations of Hinduism.

Not at all. What I am saying is that there is no single tradition that represents hinduism. Neither shankaracharya nor ramanauja nor madhwa nor tantra nor kashmir shaiva. A unified Hinduism led by some hindu popes is a right wing myth. How can anyone claim to lead Hindu India when there was no such entity to begin with? There are only gurus of different hues followed by hindus of different inclinations.

Chuck said:

But since Free Fall is a Vaishnava I can see why he'd want to support Kreepyloo! I wonder if these Vaishnavas have secret hand shakes like the Masons do?

Yeah, right. And as everyone knows Chuck is an Ammachi disciple and hence hates vaishnavas.

 
At 8/04/2007 7:17 PM, Blogger CHUCK said...

free fall said...everyone knows Chuck is an Ammachi disciple and hence hates vaishnavas.


Not so, not so sir! When her irritable disciples would not allow me to bring my mule for darshan, I left in a huff! What about those handshakes? Anything to that rumor?

 
At 8/05/2007 9:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I met the Shankaracharya of Kanchi Math and felt very uplifted (an understatment). After a long tiring journey, I saw and made eye contact with the Jr. Shank. and felt totally refreshed, all my tiredness gone. Maybe some imagination, but it happened. I met two of the contenders for Jyotir Math. One looked at me and said "Jao!" (Leave!) So I did. :-))No idea what was on his mind. The other met me cordially, and again, I felt a great upliftment being in his presence. I didn't feel he was just some ordinary guy, so to speak, although he was being treated at that exact moment with an insulin injection. Haven't met the other two, they are on my list :-)

The "Shankaracharyas" who have travelled to the US, to my knowledge, are members of the Madwa sect. One of them took huge grief in India for doing so (he crossed the seven seas! Horrors). But who knows what the reason are for that restriction?

Jody, Anandamayee Ma had an enormous following in her day, and large ashrams sprang up around her. Was she also a "flimflamming fame whore?" or is the fact that she is dead now get her off the hook? People are impressed when a man is in rags or a man is in his private plane. How can you know who is a real Guru by the level of fame? I don't think that is a good indication of much of anything except that person's material karma.

Although I agree with Jody that there is lots of junk out here to clutter the mind, people are people and need help in the material realm. I include as material, mental, emotional help. Anyone who has lived in the USA, coming from India, if they are at all sensitive, will tell you that India is unique in Her ability to let one feel relaxed inside, in spite of often extreme turmoil outside. I'm not talking about familiarity of language or culture or food, but rather a feeling inside that cannot be described very well. Many Indians will tell you that in the US, they cannot sleep, they fall sick for no reason, and when they return to India, in spite of the terrible health conditions in some places, they get well, and sleep again.
The earth is like a body. Each body has different parts with different functions and qualities. As much as western people may not like to hear it, India is the seat of spirituality, where devatas function to help the faithful to go through what destroys people in the west (ghettos). This is not proveable, and will make Chuck, Jody, and whomever else, foam at the mouth. But if you have "eyes," you know it's so. If you don't, you don't. I believe that at some point the existence of these subtle beings and qualities will be explainable by science. Until then, it is silly to believe that millions of Indians are simply stupid, slow or brainwashed, when they actually experience some kind of inexplicable happiness in the presence of "saints" be they well-behaved or ill-behaved.
Not being God, I wouldn't know where to begin as to how to punish those who have transgressed our human moral codes (which differ from culture to culture as well). But Jody et al are doing a pretty good job of meting out discipline in the form of diatribe. Will this forum change anything? Probably not.

 
At 8/06/2007 10:57 AM, Anonymous Another Anonymous said...

whoever, you are anonymous, you made my day.

 
At 8/06/2007 1:32 PM, Blogger yomamma said...

this kreepalu guy looks very scary, his energy jumped off the web page and brought me down! he looks to have same energy issues as DA MAN. So i got my crosses and holy water out, wooden stake just in case. What is this guys history?I am not familiar with him.

 
At 8/06/2007 3:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The "Shankaracharyas" who have travelled to the US, to my knowledge, are members of the Madwa sect."

Members of the Madwa sect are not called "Shankaracharya".

 
At 8/06/2007 6:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The "Shankaracharyas" who have travelled to the US, to my knowledge, are members of the Madwa sect."

Jodi dood, I hope you realize that the statement above was an ironic attempt to make an ass out of you.

 
At 8/06/2007 6:38 PM, Blogger jody said...

I hope you realize that the statement above was an ironic attempt to make an ass out of you.

I didn't, but couldn't care less.

 
At 8/06/2007 7:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

psI didn't, but couldn't care less.

Well you don't need to be a grump about it I was just telling you.
:-{

 
At 8/06/2007 7:14 PM, Blogger jody said...

you don't need to be a grump about it

I wasn't being a grump, just direct.

I've got folks all over the world (although most of them are in India) trying to paint me the fool, which actually isn't too hard, especially due to the fact that I have no problem painting myself that way.

 
At 8/07/2007 8:02 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Anonymuscle head said...
I met the Shankaracharya of Kanchi Math and felt very uplifted (an understatment). After a long tiring journey, I saw and made eye contact with the Jr. Shank. and felt totally refreshed...

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It's a cruel world when a fellow as simple as my own self can be so misunderstood. As if all this muleshit of yours about millions of Indians believing this or that would be a problem for the Chuckster!

Firstly, I myself have had many such exalted experiences with some of your Indian "a-less-than-perfect saints". They were nice for what they were but I no longer believe that the teacher himself caused such things to happen, so there is no need for me to kiss their asses or put dollar bills in their G-strings in appreciation for the same! I remember somebody on this blog talkin about Sant Keshavadas who I also knew. He was very pure and very untrustworthy at the same time, also one of you Vaishnavas! I had a lot of beautiful experiences with him, saw lights and heard the angels sing...meantime the dude was fuckin everything that he could get to hold still! Somebody on this blog told how Sant "gave him" some exalted experience, told him to live as brother and sister with his wife, then said he needed to use the toilet, got up and went in there. The guys wife was just comin out and old Sant grabbed her and tried to french kiss her!

Too many of your "perfect saints" are like this. Kreepalu seems to be one of the worse. He needs to be castrated along with Sly Baba and buried alive in the same hole, not set up on a throne and worshiped like a golden calf!

 
At 8/09/2007 8:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Chuck,
The point of this blog is supposed to be that enlightened people are not necessarily very perfect in their actions. So what if Keshavadas wanted to French Kiss some woman? Don't you? Maybe he told them to live as brother and sister because she couldn't stand her husband? Who knows? (I also met him and couldn't care less who he did what with, as long as it was legal.) So if these people are acting just as you and me, why should we respect them? This seems to be your implied question. I simply disagree. As long as they are not screwing kids, or ruining lives (we don't know that that couple's life wasn't already on the edge of divorce, hence the advice) why should imperfect behavior of an enlightened sage concern us? God makes deformed children. Does that mean we should stop praying to God? It's very convenient for the ego to say we won't worship or respect another person because their actions were not aligned with ours. Equating giving money or gifts to a Guru with "putting money in their G-String" is so ignorant, Chuck. At your announced age of nearing expiry, you should know better. If you don't, please learn. Giving all to one's Guru is tradition. Just because Americans don't like that tradition, doesn't make them (or your mule) right. I don't see many American enlightened saints popping up all around the world. The few who do, appear to be fakes, or had some experience, due to exposure to an Indian Guru, a true Guru, and are now claiming enlightenment out of ignorance. Enlightenment may be "as close as your breath" as they say, but it's not so easy as some here think it is. If it were, nobody would be settling for a few beers and a TV show in America instead of being truly happy, a state that only occurs for an enlightened being on a regular basis.

Kreepalu and Sri Sri may well be imposters, but that doesn't mean that all ill-behaved gurus are.

 
At 8/09/2007 7:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hindustan Times expose on Kripaluji Maharaj

One of India's top journalists has done an expose on the Trinidad situation.

The truth is finally coming out:

http://tinyurl.com/2s76m5

The Hindustan Times reported on August 03, 2007:
by Khushwant Singh, prominent Indian novelist and journalist

"Last month he was in Tobago and Trinidad. Hindus in that country are politically divided into two: earlier settlers and the Indian-born. Kripaluji was a guest of the latter but just about every Indian came to attend his satsang lecturers on the vedas. He arranged for Guyanese girl to visit Kripaluji after he had delivered a two-hour pravachan on the sacred texts. At no time of the day or night he was left alone; there were always some followers to look after him. However, this girl lodged a complaint that she had been molested and raped by him. He was arrested at midnight and released on bail the next morning. When the trial came up for hearing, there was no witness to support the girl’s allegation. The prosecuting counsel realised she had been used to malign Kripaluji and withdrew all charges against him. Kripaluji was honourably acquitted. The entire congregation pleaded with him to forgive them for the humiliation he had suffered. He forgave everyone concerned. Far from damaging his reputation of being an upright man, he has come out of the ordeal bigger and more respected than ever before. The dirty trick did not pay off."

 
At 8/10/2007 8:10 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Anonymous said...
“Well, Chuck,
The point of this blog is supposed to be that enlightened people are not necessarily very perfect in their actions. “

Like my x-friend Betty, I do not believe for a second that “enlightened people” would rape a woman or have sex with a child...
...................................
“So what if Keshavadas wanted to French Kiss some woman? Don't you? Maybe he told them to live as brother and sister because she couldn't stand her husband? Who knows?”

Seems that Keshavadas also tried to get this same fellow to send his 15 year old daughter to him for “counseling”... Whatever may have been the condition of these folks marriage, Keshavadas remains a bastard!
........................

“Equating giving money or gifts to a Guru with ‘putting money in their G-String’ is so ignorant, Chuck. At your announced age of nearing expiry, you should know better. If you don't, please learn. Giving all to one's Guru is tradition. Just because Americans don't like that tradition, doesn't make them (or your mule) right.”

Am I ignorant? Hell yes! I am the worst kind of ignorant, bein a Texican. I just wonder why you folks who want so badly to worship Gurus don’t demand that these same folks be at least worthy of regular human respect first. Why come to a poor fool like the Chuckster and ask him to change, when you don’t see any reason for them to change? By the way, my mule still likes Keshavadas! I might be able to have some respect for these fellows if they began their talks and retreats with a statement such as:

'While I claim to be enlightened, this does not mean I will not try to get into the britches of your wives and children—since I am beyond the reach of right and wrong, I will do pretty much whatever I want... PS Give me all your money!'

 
At 8/10/2007 8:27 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

anonymous said...Far from damaging his reputation of being an upright man, he has come out of the ordeal bigger and more respected than ever before. The dirty trick did not pay off."
.......................

If you believe this bullshit, you'll believe a silly, degenerate looking old bastard, Kreepalu, is really Krishna come back to make us all happy!

 
At 8/13/2007 8:49 AM, Blogger Bhaskar Mitra said...

FYI:
1. How lame are you to use an anonymous comment for a post (and not even stating it upfront). If that is the level of your critical thinking..then all your stuff is trash.

While it may be up to debate whether the gurus you claim to put down are genuine, one thing is for sure...that your scholarship/reporting on this cannot be trusted. In fact it is worse than Bill O


2. There are many "sharankaracharyas" for as many maths...but the 4 shankaracharays refers to the leaders of the main advaita mathas - puri, sringeri, dwarika, and jyotirmath. None of them have visited US in the recent past...so i doubt you met the real shankaracharya.

 
At 8/14/2007 6:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bhaskar,

Since I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that I am the only poster here who logged in as anonymous and also claimed to meet the Shankaracharyas, I must respond!

I met those I spoke of in India, not the US. Puri refused to see me. I didn't get to Shringeri, although my relatives have met that one many times and respect him. Jyotir Math appears to be still in dispute and I met two of the claimers. Didn't get to Dwaraka. Even though Kanchi is the "5th" and unrecognized Math, since Adi Shankara supposedly died there, I consider it real enough, and I met the elder (not Chandrashekara -- he died before my time) and the junior, and found them both to be delightful. I don't believe the murder accusations, assuming them to be the typical political games played constantly.

Jody posted that he had heard someone speak and he thought that person was a shankaracharya. You are correct that it couldn't possibly have been one from the Maths. However, he did not post anonymously, and he owns the blog.

 
At 8/14/2007 7:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are two articles about the "fake" Shankaracharya Jody may have seen. At one time he was accepted as a true Shankaracharya.

http://www.ivarta.com/cause/IC11_SCharya.htm

http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20000731/religion.html

 
At 8/24/2007 4:10 AM, Anonymous satya said...

"Jody, shankaracharyas do not go
outside India"

"1958 USA Tour
His Holiness Sri Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Puri, Head of the thousand year old monastic Shankaracharya Order and the first of its leaders ever to visit the west, went for a three month tour of the United States and the United Kingdom on an invitation by the Self Realization Fellowship (SRF) founded by Paramhansa Yogananda."

http://www.vedicmathsindia.org/father_of_vedic_math.htm

 
At 9/01/2007 10:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey remember the skin doctor who was protesting that kriplu was innocent and had been in his clinic well...Dr. Mahesh Khanchandani
M.B.B.S.,D.V.D.
Skin and V.D. Specialist

Hes a vd specialist - makes sense huh

 
At 11/07/2007 10:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krishna had 55,000 wives.Why can't Kripalu Maharaj have a few hundred?

 
At 11/07/2007 10:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buddha in his time had 200 Ashrams in India & about 10-20,000 people used to meditate with him at a time.He was not modest about his following & did ot confine himself to a small shack.Does that mean he was not genuine?

 
At 11/07/2007 10:43 AM, Blogger jody said...

Why can't Kripalu Maharaj have a few hundred?

Er... because he's not God.

 
At 11/07/2007 10:44 AM, Blogger jody said...

He was not modest about his following & did ot confine himself to a small shack

Actually, that was all so long ago that we really have no idea what Buddha was really like.

 
At 5/21/2008 6:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse me but his name is CREEPY LOU!!

 

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