Kreepalu Protegé Out On Bail
File under: Gurubusting, Gurus Doin' Time and Hands Where They Don't Belong
Just like his naughty guru, Kreepalu, Prakashanand Saraswati got out on bail after being indicted for sex crimes. And just as we predicted, the Kool-Aid Brigade is trying to cast it as a case of Western anti-Hindu sentiment run amok:
In the past too, some Indian spiritual and religious gurus preaching in the West, like Swami Rama, have been accused of sexual misconduct with their devotees. The response of their organisations usually is that the allegations stem from an attempt by vested interests to malign the gurus and Hinduism in general.Accuse the accuser, the oldest defense in the book. It's worked for the JKP the last two times a guru of theirs got busted for being a pervert. Here's hoping they don't get to make it three for three.
Labels: Gurubusting, Gurus Doin' Time, Hands Where They Don't Belong
posted by guruphiliac @ 2:13 PM
51 Comments:
This is no humble little pot-bellied saint.
million dollars bail for 20 counts of indecency with a child? main con artists arrested for rape in trinidad? 200-plus acre ashram in Austin's high-priced hill country? 3 monstrous temples and many extra buildings being built in three well-guarded Indian compounds? thousands of women claiming roaming hands and even sex? thousands of people claiming pressure to give all their money?
someday soon all the secrets of this place will come flooding out into public view. the saints will take cover in their expensive indian ashrams and US devotees will be left wonder why they didn't get the license plate number of the semi-truck that hit them and left them bleeding and pennyless in the gutter.
Hindu preachers aint learned yet what Christians have long understood, admitting that you have did wrong will bring in even bigger crowds. Comittin sins is part of the resume. The closer you have come to the devil, the better you know the enemy and the more sparked up your sermons will be, bringin in more money and more loose women! But since these women were just children, I think the man should be rope drug...
The more emphasis there is on "purity",ie chastity, etc, the more likely the teacher and followers will be perverts. It also seems that religions built around Krishna or a personal and emotional relationship wiith Jesus are especially prone to these kind of things.
Hindu preachers aint learned yet what Christians have long understood, admitting that you have did wrong will bring in even bigger crowds.
hey chuck i was just thinkin that the other day, that sinning is just all part of the package, that you have to acknowledge it,and work it, that is one advantage Christianity has over Hinduism. Even christian saints don't have to be perfect. I guess us great minds think alike. the thing is you have to atone , if you never admit you can just go on sinnin...
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1162042
Denying the charges, the ashram officials said in a statement: "We believe these allegations to be groundless. Shree Swamiji (as he is known) has dedicated his entire life to serving humanity and upholding the tenets of our faith. No one who knows him would ever believe he would do anything such as this."
Obviously both the Hays County Sheriffs, the grand jury, and the two abused victims DO KNOW HIM as a guru who does both religious and charity work, AND molests young girls in the process, and they DO have GROUNDS to file indictments on not one but 20 counts, so how can that be “groundless” as the ashram is quoted as saying in DNA India.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/indiaabroad/20080430/r_t_ians_wl_us/twl-hindu-guru-briefly-held-for-indecenc-903abaa.html
Prabhakari Devi said in an email statement to IANS Wednesday: 'Shree Swamiji (as he is known) is beyond reproach in every area of his life, which he has lived in the public eye for decades. We are all confident that the alleged incidents of more than a dozen years ago are false. We are certain he will be vindicated
A criminal investigation of nine months since Aug 2007 would not be spending this much time and money, making an arrest, and filing charges if they found the allegations to be false. They do not do such things lightly and must be very sure they have caught a big fish. Prabhakari Devi quoted above in India Abroad may say Swamiji is "beyond reproach" and hope he is vindicated, but before that happens the prosecutor, judge and jury will no doubt be getting ready to bring into the open a lot of ugly secrets that go on behind closed doors that the public never see.
yomamma said...the thing is you have to atone , if you never admit you can just go on sinnin...
That is the great thang about atonin, yomamma! It wipes the slate clean until the next big wave of unrighteous desires build up which a good preacher can board and ride onto the frothy shore of Jesus' redeemin love. It's all about the agony and exstasy of sinnin. loosin God's love and then regainin the whole ball of wax while bein drenched with tears and held in the arms of fellow christians! Could be the best way for Praskand Saraswatti to go! He could admit his sins, convert to Jesus, keep his property, exchange the peacocks for a few lambs and jackasses, keep the murtis around to show how he had fallen into sin in the first place by idol worshippin, edit his books by removin the name of Krishna and addin the name of Jesus! The money would roll in and if he occasionally descended into sin again with young girls he'd just have to do a Jimmy Swaggart and keep goin!
That's an angle we ain't seen yet Chuck , the converted Christian swami, what with South East Asian populations growing in the west it ain't far off, cas they can put their hard earned bucks in the basket too, jesus' heart is big and he likes big bucks comin from all quarters.
it's all about the agony and exstasy of sinnin. loosin God's love and then regainin the whole ball of wax........
Is that better than gettin kicked to the curb eva time Krishna sees a hot frothy Gopi? sounds kinda the same.
The more emphasis there is on "purity",ie chastity, etc, the more likely the teacher and followers will be perverts.
there may be some truth to this but I also think there's plenty of perverts to go around, no one's got the market on that, but yes the whole God's Play gambit can be evoked to justify all manner of insanity.
yomamma said...the whole God's Play gambit can be evoked to justify all manner of insanity.
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Namely you and me, yomamma, and Jody and semblance and possibly even Stuart!
Chuck said "... edit his books by removin the name of Krishna and addin the name of Jesus!"
That was funny, but guess what! This swami sleeze has already written books using the name of Jesus -- and DENOUNCED Christianity as a fraud religion. Isn't that a good one? He published one the books only in India to set Indian youth straight in case any Christian missionaries come acallin. Just wait until all his Christian neighbors find out what he really thinks of the main religion in the U.S. Maybe the guy is actually anti-American -- he likes our money and girls, but that's it.
freedomwriter said...-- and DENOUNCED Christianity as a fraud religion. Isn't that a good one?
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Well, pardner, as a life long Baptist, I have to agree with him on that one! I used to think how great it would be to ship all the religionists and extreme political folks and hate mongers, etc all to their own planet where they could fight it out for all eternity! Then I realized that's what the Good Lord had already done and somehow I was thrown in with em!
Sure it's fine to think what you want about any religion, but this guy's hiding behind America's freedom of religion laws, pretending they "respect all religions," then secretly publishing anti-Chrisitian books in India. That is duplicitous -- and is yet another checkmark in the "shady, sleazy, and corrupt" category. That's my point.
secretly publishing anti-Chrisitian books
Are there any links you can provide?
Jodi - Here you go:
Formation of The New Testament and the History of Christianity: An Amazing Discovery of the Hidden Secrets of the Bible
by H.D. Swami Prakashanand Saraswati
http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcx=92601301&aid=frg
The book is anti-Chrisitian in the sense of saying the Bible is a pack of lies. I find this highly ironic that this guy has the b*lls to call another religion a lie, when he's created the most lying, duplicitous, fake "religion" I've ever come across. If you are a sex-cult, just admit it. Don't dupe the poor sincere seekers of God.
Also interesting is that many of his U.S. devotees don't even know about this book, which was only published in India. They still won't know about it, as they are forbidden to read anything negative about JKP, Barsana Dham, and their gurus.
http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/local/local_story_122111437.html
San Marcos Record made various statements saying, “The case stems from an investigation by the sheriff’s office and the Hays County District Attorney that dates back to last May. Sealed indictments were issued in April, after which District Judge Charles Ramsay signed the arrest warrant.” Spokesman Sgt. Leroy Opiela said the sheriff doesn’t plan to release any more information, pending the sensitive nature of the case.
Vice President Prabhakari Devi made a vain attempt to COVER UP these indicted crimes schmoozing the public who are not letting her pull the wool over their eyes. She said, in the San Marcos Reporter and many other newspapers, “nearly 5,000 people were at the shrine on Saturday for the annual Mela festival. Their presence was a strong signal to all of us that the path to truth in this case will be short. Prior to his arrest, Saraswati had been in India where he was overseeing the creation and construction of hospitals for the poor.”
Well, I heard reports of only 4000 people attending the Mela on a sunny day. That apparently is only about half the number that usually attend the annual Mela on other sunny years. And it was reported that half of those visitors that did go to the Mela and stayed for the swami's speech after he was releasd on $1 million bail, had not yet heard the news of his arrest for indecent assault crimes because it happened just before the Mela, and they weren't given enough warning time to keep their children away.
Its what Prabhakari doesn’t say that is hidden and matters more. How much money has left the US to build a couple of hospitals in comparison with the multi-millions or maybe closer to a billion spent on many enormous and most lavish temples and palacial homes, huge ashrams, and other surrounding buildings for the swami’s own guru, his family, and indoctrinated followers? (What she's hidden is their hospitals are built almost next door to their temples, and used by thousands of their devotees, as well as the villagers).
Freedomwriter your bigotry is shining through! India is a freer country than the US and certainly Hinduism is far, far, far more tolerant than Christianity. In both countries rabid fanatics (are you one of them?) criticize other religions. That's their right and you should have no problem with that. In case you have not understood, these rights are INALIENABLE, inherent to all human beings, whether they live in free countries or dictatorships.
Hinduism does have a tendency to adopt guys like Jesus and Buddha and just add em on to the Dharma Parade. It's somewhat chauvinistic i think, implies they have more understanding and ownership than other groups. and they don't like conversion either, so it isn't really that easy to join them , unless you join a sect that is mostly interested in money. I can't remember exactly , but isn't the definition of Sanatana Dharma something like eternal path, so you could get pretty into yourself, if you thought you and yours had the drop on others in this way, like I'm more eternal than thou.
Hello Anonymous -- you sound suspiciously like one of JKP's brainwashed minions. I know their tactics well and one of the favorite tools in their congame bag of tricks is to defame critics of their guru. Next you'll be calling me "insane" or a "demon" -- that's JKP's MO!.
I see a bunch of words written in English, but all I can read in your post is blah, blah, blah. Nice try!! Keep exposing your childish tactics. They amuse me.
Oh and please go pass your thoughts on to this Swami sleeze -- he doesn't seem to understand anything about INALIENABLE rights to freedom of religion or, in particular, Freedom of Speech. If you are a devotee you must have been given special permission to see, hear, or read something negative about the guru -- most of JKP's devotees are under strict instructions to BE QUIET.
Yomamma, Yep - dead right. This JKP has cornered the market on "we are the chosen ones." Everyone else in the universe is going to continue cycling around in birth after birth, according to them unless you worship their creepy gurus (one is the "guru of the universe"). Meanwhile their followers MIGHT get a straight shot into the divine world if they learn to surrender 100% to the gurus -- there's a better chance IF you give Creepy and Creepette all your money. Oh and if the women let them have their way with they, they might get to be the best divine form of all -- gopis. (of course you can't get grossed out when they touch you: you have to "get into it.")
To help keep the money and girls rolling in, Creepette even wrote a book on Sanatan Dharm called "Sanatan Dharm." Clever! Here's their description: "A review by H.D. Swami Prakashanand Saraswati of the entire Bhartiya philosophy which gives the true insight of the Divine character and the eternity of our scriptures."
I'm not saying Hinduism is bad -- I'm saying that these two fakers have twisted it for their own selfish purposes.
Any teacher seeking more than a very modest living from what he/she does to inspire others is slime. Any teacher who claims to be God or any incarnation of a god is slime. Any teacher who takes advantage of his/her students sexually is slime. Any teacher who tries to insert his/her students in a make believe world of fanciful beliefs, prophecies, miracles and wonders is slime. The only truth an honest teacher can and will point to is silence. Stop defending these sick and disgusting people like Praskand Saraswatti.
The only truth an honest teacher can and will point to is silence.
Amen!
No Freedomwriter NO NO NO. I am NOT a follower of JKP, Kripalu or Swamiji.
But it would be better if this post was joined by those who have had real insights into this organization and these crooks, and those that are trying to escape them.
Super-bigots like you joining will only come in the way of real truth seekers. It's too bad you can't live up to your name.
Freemdomseeker, One horrible thought just occured to me:
We could be on the same side.
But there is no room for bigotry and hidden agendas in those who really seek the truth.
I did not see a single comment here from anyone defending Kripalu or Swami Prakashanand.
So I'm not sure why the zealous, agenda-laden are holding sway here.
Anonymous -- But there is no room for bigotry and hidden agendas in those who really seek the truth.
Where exactly is the bigotry? What exactly is your problem?
" In case you have not understood, these rights are INALIENABLE, inherent to all human beings, whether they live in free countries or dictatorships."
huh? ain't we exercising them here? here's what i know: the Guy has be charged and i don't like his website.
Chuck, Stuart is a smart guy who thinks intelligent thoughts and says sensible things , i don't think he deserves to be a gadfly buzzing around the ass of Krishna's cow, like some of us do.
yomamma said... i don't think he deserves to be a gadfly buzzing around the ass of Krishna's cow, like some of us do.
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Well, excuse me! Actually some of my happiest days is when I was early 20s and lived in a camper in a cow pasture when Chuck JR's momma was pregnant with Chuck JR after a single 30 seconds over Tokyo sexual type experience! She didn't much like me or the camper or the pasture or bein pregnant but I was too full of Krishna consciousness to notice! There was a big white Brahma bull in this pasture and lots of white Krishna calves scamperin and kickin up their hooves. I used to walk up behind em when they was sleepin in the sun and pat and stroke their little heads feelin like I was in one of those krishna paintins! I'd pick ticks off the bull's ass! At night sometimes one would die or a horse colt would die or varmints would get a barn kitten in the night and when I got up there would be a cluster of crows and buzzards peckin at the white carcass but I only saw the green pasture and the white bull who like this Praskand Saraswatti was busy getting new calves out of his own daughters and grand daughters! I held hard to this here dream of bein one of the boys playin with Lord Krishna! Wakin up from this here kind of dream can hurt like a mother, as you very well know, Yomamma!
IndiaTime.com (It’s Indiatime) posted an article May 04,2008 at 2:03 pm entitled:
INDIAN SWAMI IN DIVINE LOVE TROUBLE
http://www.indiatime.com/2008/05/01/indian-swami-in-divine-love-trouble/
The article said, “ Last July, a court in West Indies cleared Zee TV’s famous morningtime Guru, 85-year old Swami Kripalu Maharaj, of serious charges of rape and molestation against a young disciple.
Last Thursday, his foremost disciple, 79-year old Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, the founder of Barsana Dham, a 200-acre spiritual retreat in Texas, was arrested at the Dulles airport in Washington DC, on charges of molesting two minor girls. The charges related to multiple instances of molestation against two underage girls from 1993-1996. Swami Prakashanand was later taken to Hays county jail in Texas, where he was booked and eventuallly released on a million dollar bond. The Swami and his associates have vigorously denied the allegations, calling them ’shocking and preposterous’.
Swami Prakashanand took sanyas (renunciation) in 1950, at the age of 21, and then traveled to Brajbhoomi, the divine place in North India where Lord Krishna is said to have spent his childhood. After spending about two decades meditating, he then founded ‘International Society of Divine Love’ and ‘Rangeeli Mahal Foundation’, (an early indication of the path of divine love he planned to take.) And these words from
Swami’s website may help put the charges against him in some context:
“….in the The warmth of Shree Swamiji’s love melts the hearts of those who listen to him and drawing close to him opens the path to God…..”.
“The Swami, however will probably be in trouble if the Hays county authorities in Texas are able to prove that Swamiji’s love melted a couple of underage hearts that he managed to draw close to him”
Well, excuse me! Actually some of my happiest days is when I was early 20s and lived in a camper in a cow pasture when Chuck JR's momma was pregnant
:: Now chuckji, im little worried and refuse to imagine, what will be Mrs Chuckji's response to your present dalliance with yomamma.
If i jog down the memory lane without my golden weeds rolled, i can vivdly recall, chuckji junior's, the pretty horsie mom's face was red with anger and she had to put that damnable computer away, when that middle aged, wise, fellow texan durgaji was vibing with you spiritually.
This here Yomamma should know, she is pushing a triple wide texan in to uncalled for domestic violence.
Yomamma ! roughly how old are you? I always wanted to learn authentic TM and sudarshan kriya from a big gal. Do you know anything of it ?
http://www.gaudiya-repercussions.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=38&t=2630
GAUDIYA posted a news article entitled: INDIAN PRIEST ARRESTED
Brainiac (on May 3, 2008, 04:37 PM) in the above Gaudiya link and headline commented: “The Barsana Dham people belong to the organisation of 'Kripalu Maharaj' who we have sometimes heard of. There have been whisper of Kripalu's sexual misconduct surfacing from time to time, although one of my own friends told me that she experienced a form of molestation at Kripalu's hands.
Seems that the sexual rot is infesting Kripalu's whole organisation, now that a 79-year-old codger is at it too. This is what happens when you spend all day meditating on the sexual lilas of Radha and Krishna while being celibate, you need to have an outlet somehow.
The friend who was molested by Kripalu also told me how his followers explained ("rationalised") it away as an instance of divine love. The same thing occurs in other Hindu cults as well. Disgusting and sickening"
Why Mr. Semblance , are you cuttin in on your old pal Chuck? He's just tryin to warn me off worshipin a Pagan cow-herder and get me back to my Jesus. Yah that's it , it's my soul his hittin on...but thanks for askin.
semblnce said...:: Now chuckji, im little worried and refuse to imagine, what will be Mrs Chuckji's response to your present dalliance with yomamma.
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Semblance, I see what you are tryin to fumicate with this kind of talk! Nothin could be less true! Yomamma and yours truly along with Jody and your own kind self are comrads together on the trecherous path of self discovery! You behave now!
Yomamma, I was not warnin you away from Krishna but the entire pasture of dualistictism! Just cause I go to the Dime Box, Texas First Baptist church with big mamma 3 times a week and have done for all my life and just because I'm a subdeacon and money basket collector don't mean I'm promotin Jesus.
CHUCK said...
semblnce said...:: Now chuckji, im little worried and refuse to imagine, what will be Mrs Chuckji's response to your present dalliance with yomamma
My noble mule owner, the way the slender gender throws themselves at you makes this ignorant self think, if the love gurus Mr boom and Mr kreep were behavin' even half as your goodness, they would been buried in deeper shit.
Because every time a swami is good such as thyself chuckji, the diddling chances are high as sears towers on a cloudy day !
Chuckji, you said if Mr boom accepts now his sinnin' in the last millenium, he would get more loose gals to his love chamber. Me thinkin' inside my smoky head, if he had remained the saint, as we at GP would wanna fancy, he would had more chaste woman lightin' up his chamber on fire.
I know this guy, a cool guru, not far from where I live, who is presently helpin me searchin my lost identity, whose chastity been challenged by numerous gentler gender, who hunt him down in to every hole he hides. His only flaw is he not sinnin' but simply runnin' away from it.
Must be like crawlin on the broken glasses, for the Gurus that are good like...
semblance said...His only flaw is he not sinnin' but simply runnin' away from it.
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My friend one of my favorite scriptures is Zorba the Greek. In that scripture it is said that the only unforgivable sin is when a woman asks a man to to render such as service as you are speaking of--- and the man refuses! It is said that the Good Lord will not forgive such a sin as this here! It has been my karma never to have faced such a fork in the cow pasture (except that one time I recently mentioned that happened under the grand stands after a football game with the Crockett, Texas bulldogs in 1967 and we lost it by a good 40 points!)! To my shame The gal was so fat that with her bearin down on yours truly all I could think about was gettin a breath of air! I can see how this can happen with your Guru friend. In a case like this it is better to marry than to burn, as Paul the Apostle said! But I bet that fellow was such a cold fish he had little to worry about! You have a good day, my friend!
Well, who was spouting comments about Freedom of Speech and Bigotry here? It seems JKP is using every trick in the book to squash Freedom of Speech like a bug.
Just saw on the Austin Statesman newspaper blog reporting on the arrest of Creepette, that they removed ALL comments by anyone but the koolaid drinking pro-child molesters.
Brace yourself Jodi -- you might be getting a call from JKP's lawyers telling you you have to remove all negative comments about the place.
So pro JKPers how do you like having your inalienable rights to Freedom of Speech quashed by this wealthy, quasi-religious cult? THATS what it's like inside the gates -- enjoy it mindless, brainwashed people.
Freedom writer, wow you do come up with new names each time you write an entry, I wonder if Jody can see that and know it for himself like the austin stateman did, which offcource will be blamed for being bought by the other side coz it only takes a twist of tongue to blame someone,--- in their words(forum's words), writing under different names about the same person is --"somewhat dishonest". You can not constantly blame others for things without basis. Like I said else where, it sounds like the person initiating such remarks is saying that..(I don't like them so) They must have done this...or They must have done that..or The newspaper must have been bought by them BUT when it comes to media scandilizing things then they are all true because they allign with your negativity. That is not freedom of speech with facts. Read what another editor had to say, which I am sure in their language will be,"They were BOUGHT by THEM".
Folks,
Any time someone is arrested–especially on charges like this–we expect heated comments on both sides of the aisle. We’ll try to root out the unsubstantiated rumors, but will often miss them at first glance, so feel free to point them out.
As Himani pointed out, Double Trouble has been posting under other names here: Sanjay and Ashton. We point this out because it’s somewhat dishonest, and we hope others won’t do the same, either here or in other discussions. Also, we’re deleting Double Trouble’s comment because it simply offers ‘whispers’ of sexual misconduct of another religious figure. If you want to quote from another source, at least make sure it’s a credible source.
Posted by: SAJAForum Editor | May 05, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Maharaj ji and Swami ji are above sin. They both are incarnations of the highest form. They do Nishkam karam. What they are doing is testing so see who are their real devotees and who is worthy of going to Go Lok with them. It is blasphemy to even think that these two could do anything wrong. If one thinks that these two are common men then one will become donkey in next life.
No, these are not my thoughts but of the brainwashed followers who cannot discriminate right from wrong. These are first hand quotes. These once smart people have become zombies who cannot think for themselves.
I wonder if these two thugs have any conscience left and can discriminate right from wrong.
THIS IS A TEST!!! Oh man, classic JKP! This is so cunning and manipulative on so many levels I just have to leave it to each individual person to use his or her own brain to figure the deviousness of this concept for himself or herself.
I'm not saying they are "common men" -- but close. I'm saying they are CONMEN.
Continue to believe in them if you want -- it's a free country. But don't come crying to me when you one day realize you've been conned out of years of your life, your bank account, and worse. As Jodi said in another article, MAYBE one in 20 will listen to reason -- the rest will continue to live as pawns in the fake gurus' "divine plans." Hey, it’s your life.
Oh now, lookie here folks! We have a duplicious blogger calling themselves "Anonymous" but its really Hinmani hiding behind another name! Tey're doing the same thing they accuse others of. Anonymous who posted above on 5/06/2008 10:14 said the same things and posted as Hinmani in SAJAforun and SABA search blog Houston.
Then along came Victim's Advocate to counter the Barsana Dham (dammage control patrol)with some more real facts they would not want you to know. They're just revealing how desperate they are to oppress and conceal these crimes, but all they are doing is making the victims respond with more real facts.
Hinmani, You said (in error I might add) to Double Trouble, "You know how silly it looks when you are writing in SAJAforum and saying that they removed some entries coz they have been bought by the other side". Well this just shows your lie right here for all to see! The removed comment was nothing close to what you made it up to be. Double Trouble and Satya are two different bloggers, and you are giving the wrong answer to the wrong blogger. What Double Trouble (actually) said was repeated in Victims Advoates post when replacing the removed one. It says: "But the SAJA editor removed it. For some reason they don't think Gaudiya is a credible source."
"So Double Trouble provides yet another very credible source to replace the one that was removed. Further, Satya, Ashton, Double Trouble are NOT all one person. There are alot more victim's advocates out there than you think, alongside the brave young souls who indicted Swami Prakashanand.
Some of these bloggers are also victims so cannot reveal their identities for self protection! That's because some have already suffered damage by the the well-oiled Barsana Dham PR machine that further victimizes the victims.
Why don't you look at it this way--the victims and anyone has a right to use a pseudonym (most do)! What they are saying matters most. You are trying to shut them up. Is what they say too shameful to admit that such things DO happen in this organization? Unfortunately, that puts them in the same basket as all the other cults. They're no different. I feel so sorry this has happened to Hinduism.
Have some compassion for the victims of those gurus who spoiled your sacred Hindu religion with all this mess!
Let these victims have their say. They are not just (anyone) causing JKP trouble. Oh no! Its the other way around. JKP has caused some of them much trouble, pain and suffering. I AM one of their victims. I can vouch no matter what name they use, the truth remains the truth. I've seen it all. (Waaaay too much too)
The person complaining about commenters using multiple names, calls themselves "Himani" on other blogs and anonymous in this article. He/she/it is going all over the Internet harping on that one single point.
I can't help but think that this person's motivation is: “Hey gullible dupes, Look at that those people possibly posting blog comments using more than one name, and whatever you do, DON'T LOOK over there at the gurus pulling young girls into their bedrooms.”
This is a classic conman gimmick used by everyone from dictators to street hustlers.
To last bloggers, you said (in error I might add),Hinmani is hiding behind another name. I am Himani not hinmani and am a "she" and not in any campaign either. Secondly, as some one who has commented on this blog would know that If you do not have a g-mail account, then there is an option to write without an ID and that is anonymous.That is what I choose to do, it is a free country after all. How gullible you think people are? If I wanted to change my name, fortunately I have enough brains to change my post and not cut and paste the exact same thing in two different blogs and that too after writing boldly that Yes, I am going around in the blogs pointing out some facts.
Jody, please do not close this blog yet or else you will fall under the same category of being bought by the other side! Talk about paranoia!!!
Himani or anonymous for this blog--
It may be cause I'm a Texican but I caint follow the last few commentarians above! Can yall rephrase and repeat?!
CHUCK said...
It may be cause I'm a Texican
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Chuck I was saying: Himani (aka anonymous) has been complaining on other blogs, that basically all non-pro-jkp people are one and the same person, but posting other multiple fake names. I noted how this "look over here, but not over there" technique is a classic conman tactic. (She is following the JKP story from blog to blog, but only seems to care about complaining to editors about her fabricated belief in her many-voices-one-person theory.)
The second person (Himani) was say "blah, blah, blah."
Himani, You said: "it is a free country after all. How gullible you think people are?" I'm wondering that myself about you! So Himani, it's only a "free country" just for (you) then? Just so only YOU can use different names, and only for (YOU) to cut and paste your same comments into other blogs--like YOU did with the SAJA editors comments and your own comments on the topic of people using different names.
YOU did the same thing you are complaining to editors about and criticizing other for. YOU Himani, cut and pasted in 3 blogs the SAJA editors comments along with your own in SABA and Gurphiliac. Not only that, after you did it, you had the stupidity to lie about it on this site.
You said "If I wanted to change my name, fortunately I have enough brains to change my post and not cut and paste the exact same thing in two different blogs". This is not the first time you have been acting very duplicious and dishonest.
May I remind you that you are NOT the only one in this "free country". There is also Freedom of Speech for ALL (other than yourself) to use pseudonyms (most bloggers do), and also if they use more than one blogsite, its a "free country" to cut and paste their comments in as many blogs as they like.
Once again you are doing what the damage controllers do best. You try to distract away from the main focus of:(Swami Prakashanand Saraswati arrested for indecent assault of minors)of which, the blog site has written an article. But you craftily keep trying to turn readers away from these awful indictments by your pettiness, and you attempt to turn the editors topic into something else.
You see JKP doing that kind of thing by coming up with new angles all the time on the good which the swami has done for charity, humanity, amd religion. Now the focus has turned to face the ugly side of crimes, abuse and all the "negatives" are which go on behind those smokescreens above. As others have noted here, JKP is consistently building new websites to bury all their (bad stuff) way under the top pages of the search engines.
Barsana Dham uses big media and multiple press releases that go all over the internet, in newspapers and on TV stations to get their denials and praises out there (the same ones we hear over and over.)
So leave the victims and the victim's advocates to share the same rights in a "free country" you want for yourself.
Shame on you for trying to deny the abused ones or those who know the truth to speak their minds and find their peace. They have already suffered enough damage without you adding to it.
Himani, you obviously coverup and support sexual misconduct with minors in the Hindu religion, and therefore allow these crimes to continue to damage young people for the rest of their lives. How do you live with your conscience? Dont you think the people you criticise have been hurt enough already? People like you that support cultish activities are precisely why it continues. Attacking the abused is prescisely why Victim's Advocacies get formed.
Please note that there will be no more of this internet identity duplicity crap here. As far as this blog is concern, JKP is a corrupt organization. That's not an anti-Hindu attack, that's an anti-lust-driven-old-man attack, the two of them now.
http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=8074
Another credible source reveals on TimesNow.tv News 5/7/2008 1:50:56 PM
'Charges will be taken seriously'
There is more trouble in store for Swami Prakashanand Sarawati, who was arrested last month in the US on charges of child abuse. The Hays County Sherif's Department, which is investigating the case, has said the charges would be "taken seriously" as the victims were underage. Mike Thielen, spokesperson for the county sherif's department said, "These charges do stand back to when the individuals that came forth with the outcry were under the age of adulthood. And so we do take those charges seriously."
Swami Prakashanand had some reprieve when was released on a $1 million bail, after being arrested Texas on charges of 20 counts of child abuse. The case stems from an investigation that started last May. Sealed indictments were issued in April, after which an arrest warrant was issued against Sarawati who founded the Barsana Dham shrine in Hays County in 1990.
Swami "beyond reproach"?
Though his followers insist the allegations against Saraswati are "false and damaging". Raj Goel, a resident of Barsana Dham, said the accusations did not affect him because, "We know these allegations are not true - knowing him for so many years and knowing him closely, we all firmly believe that these allegations are not true, so its not a shock to us."
Another resident of the Dham, Vrinda Deutch who is also Community Relations Coordinator for the shrine said she was immensely disappointed by the case but was "unshakeable" in her belief that Swamiji was "beyond reproach"
"I would say hearing these allegations against Sri Swamiji was immensely disappointing to us because we have witnessed Sri Swamiji's efforts over the past 25 years to serve humanity, to uplift those people who are wishing to know about God including myself and my husband, and has done so... impeccably... I have seen him interact with my own son who grew up in Barsana Dham. All these things combined make me feel unshakeable in my belief in Swamiji's character which is beyond reproach," said Vrinda Deutch.
Because of corrupt system in India and Trinidad Kripalu went unpunished. However, in USA the system is quite fair so chances of Prakashanand's acquital in this crime are very low. I wonder how JKP is preparing for it. Who will be the successor? Will one of the devis take over or is Mukundanand next in line? Any thoughts from our learned panel?
Guruphiliac Kreepalu TUI-VA 5/8/08
Times Now TV News asks publicly "SWAMI BEYOND REPROACH?"
See above Victims Advocates article 07 May 2008 http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=8074
The reporter/journalist made a point of questioning a resident Vrinda Deutch who is also Barsana Dham JKP's Community Relations Coordinator with a headline that popped: “Swami ‘beyond reproach’”? So, does that mean he is beyond criticism, dis-grace, shame, or blame? Many don’t think so, and know so!
If Deutch continues in her role to promote and speak for Barsana Dham and JKP in public, to guests, or to media, what people want to know--is she willing to stand by her word and take a lie detector test, and reveal the results—so parents can trust their underage girls are safe at Barsana Dham or even anywhere in this organization-- wherever the swami goes?
Another of her comments also leave doubts: She said, "I have seen him interact with my own SON who grew up in Barsana Dham...Swamiji’s character is 'beyond reproach.'"
OBVIOUSLY, if she only had a son, then she never had to worry, and that makes her a biased spokesperson who uses her son as a public shield to hide behind, Duh! Doesn’t she know the sexual indecency happens to underage GIRLS there?
Of course ALL the followers will maintain denial and keep on insisting the allegations against Saraswati are “false and damaging”—that’s a total given. But the victims are obviously maintaining with indictments the allegations are true, (and damaging for these girls also.) God KRISHN KNOWS the real "cause and effect” of the damage.
Also, what’s up with quoting the MEN who live there? Raj Goel, a resident says, "The accusations did not affect him because, we know these allegations are not true?" Yet, he also said, "Its NOT a shock to us!" How so then? Is there something he did know which he's not revealing?
What do MEN know anyway—once again, they are not the underage girls are they! If any of the men there do know, it would be an absolute given, they are always going to conceal it out of shame, guilt, fear and oppression. Same goes for the women.
Can any of the male followers (current or ex) ask their daughters, wives, sisters, and mothers to look them square in the eye and tell them the truth? The whole truth? Further, would these men ask their female relations to back up what they say with a lie detector test, if they need to settle any deep secretly nagging doubts they might have?
If you have money you can get out of mess in US too. If you can post 10 million dollar bail then you can run back to India and never come back citing medical reasons. What a move by JKP followers. I was stunned when I read this news about Prakashanand being allowed to leave country after Peter Spiegel posted 10 million dollar bail. I am speechless. Any thoughts? I do not think Prakashnand is coming back. Who will run their US business? Will it be Swami Akhilanand?
Good question anonymous, will Prakashnand come back from India? Personally I think the game is up! I hope that more victims come forward so the organization finally crumbles. I can't believe that Prakashnand is being permitted to leave the country!
I don't think that prakahsananda is a sawmi or a renouncer because how in earth he can have that amount of dollors to bail him out. I understand swami is some one with out any possession of himself. Hence how can be use somebody elses money to bail himself. He his a mere impersonator.I would have respected him if he has faught his case inside from the prision. He is a bussiness man Thats all a cheap bussiness man. Swami Prakashananda is a slave of senses and money. he is not a Swami.
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