Reasons To Leave Ammachi
File under: Amma-All-Over-The-Planet and Satscams
These are the reasons Gail Tredwell, Amritananda Mayi's (Ammachi's) closest personal assistant for 20 years, felt she needed to escape the ashram:
- Loss of faith
- Not happy for years
- No harmony amongst seniors
- No manners from the seniors
- Too much politics between the seniors
- No love between the seniors
- I felt extremely unloved
- And unsupported
- And untrusted
- Absolutely worn out on every level
- Too much stress
- Routine too gruelling
- Never any concern given for physical well being nor emotions which are also a very important part of spirituality
- Partiality shown between the men and women, east and west, rich and poor
- Swamis arrogance, back stabbing, cruelty, hatred, power struggles.
- Amma's obvious favouritism towards them
- Giving too much money and gold to her family members and at the same time denied Suneeti private hospitalisation.
- Too many secret things going on.
- Too much scheming, plotting, planning and suspicion
- No sweet spiritual feeling of love or compassion from amma behind the scenes only anger, gossip, criticism, revenge, suspicion, business, violence or secret meetings with the swamis.
- Terrorism - in a subtle sense not with guns or anything.
- Violence (mental, emotional, psychological and physical.
- Horrible yelling and shrieking like a demon
- Constant accusing me of being a good for nothing and always angry at me which always would make my guts cringe and constantly putting me down.
- Not allowed to feel happy, if you do you should be guilty
- Guilt if you rest, laugh, take care of your body
- Money, money, money that is the main aim and you are good if you try and make as much as you can for the ashram even if you squeeze. Amma used to praise people for this
- Lying, cheating
- Copying from other writers and books then using amma's name on them and calling it her teachings. Also none of the speeches which were made at U.N. or Chicago were her own, they were Swamijis from some books or possibly his head that I don't know.
- Having to tell untrue miracles in talks, she herself would make them up for us.
- Worn out from heat and crowds and the culture of India, also the jail like lifestyle in the Indian ashram
- Suppressed and oppress and even hit and abused constantly by the swamis.
- Too many institutions and projects but not enough capable people to run them, therefore endless problems which would then fall on my head.
- Never been understood, or acknowledges for any participation which I had in the ashram. Never been considered in any major decisions to be made even if it was which girls should get yellow. Even that swamiji would try and decide, until I would put my foot down.
- Not enough protection given to girls sent to branches. Just go! Whether they have a place to stay or not no problem, whether they are by themselves in a huge school overnight, no problem.
- No questions allowed. Just shut your mouth or you will be considered for treason, betrayal and a cheat, you are unloyal to amma and the ashram.
- Scandalous the way the flats have been built, so much money charged, no maintenance even though the people pay the same. D block has been built right in the face of A and B. The buildings were not even finished properly with cracks everywhere and sloppy cement everywhere. Plumbing stinks and leaks all over the steps. Try and maintain and keep clean the existing ones before starting more skyscrapers.
- The residents i.e. Indian are not fed properly. They are also overworked. Even amma would criticize that some girls were drinking milk, she would tell to sell all the fruit and not to give the residents. I would still give it now and then. They all look so anemic.
- Amma's obvious revenge and hatred towards anybody who has left the ashram. Getting even with them, not allowing them to move on or get a job `let them suffer for a while' her famous quote. Where is understanding and forgiveness, compassion that she teaches so strongly about. Okay, yes she doesn't want to encourage anybody to leave but is keeping them in the ashram by fear of the future or the consequences healthy.
- Only Hinduism is any good, narrow minded attitude of the swamis against Christianity. Only your guru (Ammachi) is any good.
Ammachi is no Kali, she is Godzilla.
Labels: Amma All-Over-The-Planet, Satscams
posted by guruphiliac @ 7:28 PM
34 Comments:
Looking at her, I would think as a s.asian, she was an aunty who annoyingly hugs. But appearances are deceiving, maybe not godzilla but a person who is using the ethos of hindu politics:
saam: pacify/talk
daan: give money to charity (bribery)
bhed: divide (shit stir, and conquer)
dand: punishment (maybe nowadays kill)
This is seen in Satya Sai 'paedo' baba ashram to the fullest extent. I have not looked into the other gurus as they werent of any interest.
Indian Gurus are not the only ones who hate people leaving or rationally thinking in their cult. They all want followers who dont question or challenge them.
One of the things I look forward to is when at their strongest, they make predictions about their greatness or death, as time goes on, it does not happen. They are shown to be frauds time and time again, as in the case of Sai P Baba saying he will live to 90+ years and then dies years before that, even if the devotees try 'lunar years'.
Rev Sun Myung 'cassonova' Moon may be on his death bed with pneumonia. One moonie told me he will live to 99 other People saying he will live to 100 even to 120 years. The only way to cover, they say ,
death is up to them to choose. All gurus and messiahs die of some sort of disease like a (rotten) human. No divine intervention, only secular medicine, with a hint of superstition with spirits.
Will see what happens, hopefully one day these frauds will be made extinct.
Many Ammabots would be in shock if they got close enough to Amma to receive her regular 'freak out' beatings and they would leave.
Gayatri was made of tougher stuff and her misguided love for Amma allowed her to suffer in silence for 20 years. I believe that she left traumatized and confused but determined to rebuild her life away from Amma's insanity.
Amma is like a man who beats his wife and children. Amma is a coward.
It is possible to be critical of Amma without being angry. I can tell that Gayatri is more honest and honorable than Amma.
Amma critics have been calm and patient especially when tested by Ammabots who have spammed, bullied and disturbed this discussion. Amma, Swamini KP, Elizabeth Sidon and other Ammabots have been caught lying and slandering. Ammabots can only copy their master's example.
Ammabots are like sheep to the slaughter and Amma has a sword for you. Take your chance in Amritpuri and choose between disease, beatings and murder because you are not getting out.
Amritpuri has all the hallmarks of Hitler’s brown-shirts.
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/the-man-who-prayed-too-much
"It was not the first mysterious death with links to the Amritanandamayi muth. The 1990 death of V Narayanan Kutty of Kodungalloor, Thrissur, offers a striking parallel. According to his friends and relatives, Kutty, similarly accused of violence at the muth, was pushed into the same mental healthcare centre by Amma’s devotees 22 years ago. He was found dead there. He was not crazy, his friends say, he was just someone with radical thoughts. After Satnam’s death, a newly formed action council is demanding that Kutty’s case be reopened."
Matha Amrithanandamayi Devi, Amma And Satnam Singh Mann, Amma And Taavi Kassila, Sai Baba And Majic Tricks, Sri Sathya Sai Baba, Swami Nithyananda, Swami Ichadhari Bhimanand, Nirmal Baba, Swami Santhosh Madhavan
GOD FOR SALE @ Fake Spirituality
"CLINICAL TRIALS IN AIMS
AIMS has grown to be a prominent super specialty teaching and research hospital in Kerala. held hundreds of medical camps in even more remote areas home to India’s rural and indigenous tribal populations. In the name of these free medical camps, some of the private hospitals including AIMS were carrying out clinical trials on patients.
India’s clinical-trials system has come under intense scrutiny after a series of scandals involving alleged malpractice and patient deaths. But for those injured or killed in trials, there is no guarrantee of compensation. Concerns have also been raised about the lack of ethical oversight of these studies, and there have also been allegations that vulnerable patients are routinely recruited to clinical trials without informed consent. “People were being used as guinea pigs”. According to figures presented last year 668 people died during clinical trials in India in 2010. Indiavision Television reported that the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare confirmed the death of 10 patients at AIMS in five years. People should be informed about the probable side effect of testing drugs. Payment of high compensation must be mandatory to gain public confidence.
NURSES STRIKE AT AIMS
The Kerala nurses are acclaimed the world over for its commitment to the profession and a humane attitude towards patients. But it is not well appreciated in our home country or even AIMS. Nurses at the AIMS went on strike against the Mata Amritanandamayi Math few months ago, demanding for wage hike, acceptable welfare measures and freedom from work bonds. In Kerala, even an unskilled labour get Rs.500 per day. So why highly qualified nurses are denied even the minimum wages ?. The people very well knows that the AIMS is built out of the generous donations given to Matha Amrithanandamayi Trust worldwide. It was appalling to see respected religious institutions like AIMS using Gundas (street criminals) attacking the poor angels. This is most inhumane especially from the "Hugging Saint". "
Apropos the comment above undeservedly glorifying keralite nurses ( Indian nurses & doctors in general) I know better. Have had several first hand experiences of the bestiality of the much mentioned kerala nurses. Also nurses from Philippines , Egypt (demons Egyptian nurses are as devilish as keralites) Sri.Lanka etc they are NOT Florence Nightingales.
Not just in psychiatry clinics. In India while delivering my child I saw the worst imaginable squalor , theft & callous treatment in a private expensive hospital called Presidency Nursing Home.
Why pick on Mata Amritanandamayi alone ?
That, psychiatry itself is bogus & psychiatric drugs cause fatal deaths has been well documented & proved by many mainstream American psychiatrists themselves. Americans have consistently been the most effective , earnest & potent whistle blowers.
Indian allopaths are unmitigated avaricious mercenaries. Never ever divulge the truth.
When Sri.Nochur Venkatraman exposed the toxic psychiatry some top most psychiatrists themselves confessed to him in private they were cluelessly prescribing drugs & killing many.
My own brother J.Prakash died suddenly owing to lithium , tegretol , prozac , sodium valproate , ativan , haloperidol etc etc forcefed to him DAILY.
Our very Kaanchi MahaPeriyavar has categorically stated :-
" It is the psychiatrists who need treatment. Those branded mad/schizo/insane/bipolar/not normal are actually perfectly SANE , NORMAL & HARMLESS people. They do not tell lies & hence are very dear to God. This is their last birth. That is the reason I counsel parents coming here requesting me to cure their allegedly mad children to read Bhagavad Geetha & not tinker with them in the name of treatment".
In Yerwadi ( Tamil Nadu) lots of allegedly psychiatric patients were chained yes , tethered permanently. When fire broke out virtually ALL of them were incinerated.Most of them were muslims.
It was gorement (government) of India's. Certainly not Ammachi's.
If muslims can cite their religious belief systems every nano second , agitate & make others concede why can't I quote my Kaanchi Shankaracharyar was the point I raised in the psychitric clinic in Kuwait.
At once the converted keralite christian nurses (who take to nursing mostly) & some hindu nurses also gave the most ludicrously dangerous reply:-
" NNNNNO , you are secular...hindoos are secoooolar...no separate beliefs or faiths allowed".
This is exactly what is getting played on a macro national level in India also.
That Kolkata based psychiatrist called M.Mazumdar ( Tara Polyclinic) who made lots of money , amassing properties by killing lots of guileless people by bombarding them with psychiatric drugs & ECT , was a regular generous donator to missionaries of charity of Mother Teresa that notorious Albanian nun GHOUL of Calcutta brilliantly exposed by Christopher Hitchens.
That Kolkata based psychiatrist called M.Mazumdar ( Tara Polyclinic) who made lots of money , amassing properties by killing lots of guileless people by bombarding them with psychiatric drugs & ECT , was a regular generous donator to missionaries of charity of Mother Teresa that notorious Albanian nun GHOUL of Calcutta brilliantly exposed by Christopher Hitchens.
Clint Eastwood has also exposed the inhumane torture in the name of psychiatry & ECT in his movie CHANGELING ( Angelina Jolie). It is the Presbyrerian Church people (John Malkovich) who crusade & rescue all of the hapless women.
Have you been following the Amma Hugging Saint Rolling Stone comments page. There is every little discussion. There are detailed criticisms of Amma followed by rude, anonymous and irrelevant PR paste jobs by Amma's supporters similar to the "Ram Das" comments about which are too long and designed to distract from the issues. Amma's followers cannot face the truth about Amma no matter who states it. The aggressive manner of Amma's devotees demonstrates that something is very wrong in Amritpuri.
Looking forward to reading Gail Tredwells (Gayatri's) book and see how the 'true' story unfolds.
Many reasons here appear repetitive. Like a crying child trying to blow up a non issue. That said, Gayatri should know its a whole different ball game to be part of organizing committee than being hugged once annually in her home town during Ammachi's "all embracing" visit.
However, Ammachi needs a place to vent her frustrations too, after so much of huggin and lovin and smilin non stop ? Ammachi thought Gayatri was the confidante, with whom she can be herself, but Gayatri was needing some more lovin and some more smilin herself.
I run a small industry which grew lately having just 42 workers and I am trying to hard to smile and show love and DAMN, I fail within 30 minutes of my entry into factory.
Ammachi, I can empathize in a minuscule way what she probably goes through with her army of brainless bots, especially with her illiterate back ground, she must be suspecting everything and everybody. She neither have to be overtly loving and hugging outside and in turn display excess vulgarity in treating her own people inside, She needs to cool down on both.
Gayatri should stop crying now and should look back and count her blessings than damning herself rest of her life and staying up all night writing columns against the matriarch.
Thats my piece of free advice :)
Note - GP moderator, do you have better ways to have the comments posted ? Its quite obnoxious to fill those words to submit the post.
" Never any concern given for physical well being nor emotions which are also a very important part of spirituality
Partiality shown between the men and women.....
Terrorism - in a subtle sense not with guns or anything.
Violence (mental, emotional, psychological and physical.
Horrible yelling and shrieking like a demon
Constant accusing me of being a good for nothing and always angry at me which always would make my guts cringe and constantly putting me down....
Not allowed to feel happy, if you do you should be guilty
Guilt if you rest, laugh, take care of your body
Money, money, money that is the main aim and you are good if you try and make as much as you can for the ashram even if you squeeze. Amma used to praise people for this
Lying, cheating
Copying from other writers and books then using amma's name on them and calling it her teachings. Also none of the speeches which were made at U.N. or Chicago were her own, they were Swamijis from some books or possibly his head that I don't know....
Worn out from heat and crowds and the culture of India, also the jail like lifestyle in the Indian ashram.."
Jody ,
Totally agree with all the observations made along with the rest in your post. This is what most Indians are.Nothing original, above all no honesty to start with.All that Indians are programmed to display is militant fierce regard , love & respect for India's corrupt leaders & Indians running various institutions including Indian teachers & elders. This is given the name patriotism.And mention the land mother earth to whip up more passion. One's own mothers , fathers , siblings & grandparents Indians mostly treat very cavalierly but are very fond of this word mother earth.
Americans are TOTALLY different from Indians in mindset , attitudes. Americans are honest.Indians are incapable of being honest.
Pusuit of God , Spirituality is time pass for most Indians.
Ramana Bhagavan was recognised right by very few earnest seekers like Sri.Muruganar , Arthur Osborne, David Godman and some more whosenames you would know.
Rest of the visitors came for idle curiosity. Ditto with Sri.Ramakrishna Paramahamsar.
Jody may not wear any saffron or white robes sitting on some pedastal.
But Jody has understood. Understood very well. One Yoga Vasishtam alone is enough which has been internalised very well by Jody.Bhagavan also says :-
" A glass of water is enough to quench one's thirst. No need to drink entire Ganges (rivers)".
Anon@ 3:52 AM ,
Thanks for the belly laugh you provided with the following:-
" I run a small industry which grew lately having just 42 workers and I am trying to hard to smile and show love and DAMN, I fail within 30 minutes of my entry into factory".
I have reasons to believe that the entire admissions process to AIMS medical college is fraudulent. The seats are sold to aspiring students(read those who cannot get through entrance exams and come out successful, in other words, dud students) who have deep pockets. If you have the money, the seats are yours. Thereafter the mockery of an exam happens, and those who have paid, 'get through' the exams with ranks higher than those who have won ranks in higher rated institutes such as AIIMs( the delhi based institute!!). SO there are two frauds here, one- related to the entrance exam( charge of 1500 per aspirant x 80,000 aspirants at least), and the other for the 'fixed seats' at least 30 lacs underhand paid out x 100 seats. 50 odd seats are above board management seats where 60 lacs are taken in public view. My question is, why is this being resorted to? Sad, and a real sham, and shame.
Just changing the topic slightly. With his image taking a severe beating due to controversies surrounding him in the last few years, self-styled godman Swami Nithyananda is going for an image makeover.
He has hired one of the men best qualified for the job — Dale Bhagwagar, the publicist who has worked with Bollywood actors like Hrithik Roshan, Priyanka Chopra and Shilpa Shetty, besides being a PR manager for big-budget movies like Don and Rock On.
The swami, who was in the eye of a storm after a sex scandal, managed to become the head of the Aadheenam Peetam in Tamil Nadu, but has faced rough weather since. In an attempt to repair his tattered reputation, he has hired Bhagwagar as his personal spokesperson.
In my state kerala, more and more men and women are taken to the business of Bhakti.
The business is the safest one with no investment and risk. Collect billions as donations and throw peanuts to poor as charity. Live life in absolute luxury. No hard work. This is the secret many taken to this business these days. Some people fail miserably in this business. One such example was Divya joshi. http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/20/stories/2009092054830400.htm
There are many cases of mysterious deaths and rape in these business centers of bhakti. No one will touch these business holders as they have the full support from the corrupt politicians,police,business men.
The business of bhakti is used by the Right wing militant group RSS to widen their reach. These RSS thugs threaten who ever speak against these Gurus/Matas.
I never forget a photo of Gayatri with Amma taken in Melbourne as I was in the background. Amma was snapped looking Very angry and Gayatri really sad. Damn! The photo was up for sale... wish now I'd bought it to illustrate my point!!!! Also the tour organiser told me candidly how he had seen Amma dressing down the swamis who were all assembled in a row at the retreat... she was apparently really very s-c-a-r-y ... ah yeah and the time I was in darshan and Amma snapped at a senior swami who jumped back as if he had been bitten by a dog... believe me I got that insight up very close and personal, before she started saying something for what seemed like ages in my ear, which I was not really all that comfortable about by this stage... her public contempt of the ped. Sai Baba all because he was serious competition in the business stakes... all of this was enough for me to continue my journey elsewhere... so basically to sum it up... I believe every word that Gayatri is saying is the truth. I hope she sticks to her resolve and recovers a sense of direction and self autonomy, as 20 years is a long time to be under the influence of this "being"... I also congratulate her for her bravery and courage, I hope her book is a resounding success and that she can use the profits to rebuild her own life.
" I believe every word that Gayatri is saying is the truth. I hope she sticks to her resolve and recovers a sense of direction and self autonomy, as 20 years is a long time to be under the influence of this "being"... I also congratulate her for her bravery and courage, I hope her book is a resounding success and that she can use the profits to rebuild her own life".
I also feel the same way as Anonymous@8:52 above.
Almost all such short tempered "gurus" get away explaining they are only busting away the ego of the alleged devotee(s).
AOl SSSRavishankar too is very much like that. His smile is fake & his calm exterior is just a facade.OTOH had unmasked the real Ravishankar very incisively.
MADURAI: Barely six months after he was controversially anointed the 293rd pontiff of the Madurai Adheenam, a millennium-old saivite mutt, self-styled godman Nithyananda was removed from the position by senior pontiff Arunagirinatha Desikar on Friday.
Bowing to pressure from the state government, which has moved court to take over the mutt, Desikar made the announcement at a brief media interaction here on Friday.
In yet another unexpected move, he approached the police seeking protection, saying he faced a threat to his life. A large posse of police was deployed at the Mutt soon after the complaint was made. A number of cadres of the Hindu Munnani and other organizations, who were staging protests seeking the removal of Nithyananda, also assembled in front of the mutt.
"We have removed Nithyananda from the position of 293rd pontiff of Madurai Adheenam due to certain prevailing circumstances,'' Desikar said.
Who claims himself God
Know him to be full of fraud.
Who claims Guru on his own
Know him to be a clown
'Cause God and Guru disown
The merit that They really own.
Amma never claimed herself as god.. And whatever she does.. She did bring a little changes to atleast a few 5000 families at minimum.. BASTARDS LIKE YOU WASTE TIME BY BEING HER CRITIC.. LET ME SEE YOU BRING A CHANGE TO THE WORLD.. NO YOU IGNORANT FOOL.. YOU CANT BE WHAT AMMA IS TO THE WORLD..
Jody can you weigh in here?
An unknown Ammabot is threatening legal action from Amma's lawyers for copyright infringement if the resurrected from the ashes Ex-Amma YahooGroup display a photo of an Amma doll!
Bogus Legal Threat By Amma Kali Devotee To Ex-Amma Forum
Gail Tredwell's book "Holy Hell" reveals that Amma was having sexual contact with her supposedly celibate swamis in particular the head of her organization who is accused of rape of several Amma nuns - women who trusted Amma to protect them. This terrible situation still exists after several decades. Amma's promoter and ashram resident Rishi Taavi Kassila was protected by Amma after he was accused of spreading herpes and having sex with teenage girls. Kassila's seductions started during his Amma promotion and yoga philosophy classes. Amma protects sex abusers but not her innocent followers.
Jody
Please post a review of "Holy Hell" on your blog. It is a highly rated guru expose. I know that you know. Please share with your readers here as the shit hits the fans.
This is to the 'anonymous" one who called Nath Yogi a bastard: look how angry you sound. You call others ignorant but that is just you projecting your own mind. Do you not know that God's world is just as it is and it does NOT need you to fix it. If you just gave up your sense of doership for a while as preconised by the great Sages of yore, you would know that wise beings do not indulge in the redistribution of income that goes on in some ashrams. That is the prerogative of politicians and smacks of the utmost ignorance. I love Amma for who she is, but you devotees are blind beyond belief, and a bunch of self righteous fanatics.
This is to reply this statement.
Amma never claimed herself as god.. And whatever she does.. She did bring a little changes to atleast a few 5000 families at minimum.. BASTARDS LIKE YOU WASTE TIME BY BEING HER CRITIC.. LET ME SEE YOU BRING A CHANGE TO THE WORLD.. NO YOU IGNORANT FOOL.. YOU CANT BE WHAT AMMA IS TO THE WORLD..
You donate 100 crores to me and i am willing to spend 10 crores for charity. That is what these spiritual leaders do.
I have never seen amrithanadamayi travelling to poor nations where her charity is genuinely required, she is fond of visiting the white western world where there is a lot of demand for indian spirituality and ofcourse lot of money. I have often seen her moving in an entourage with lots of her dicsciples willing to serve her, she moves like a princess..what sort of godly women she is. she stays in five star hotels...moves in mercs .
I work for amma's institution, one word i can say about the top officials in the instituion is fear and insecurity. You know where it comes from.
hugging saint ??? or psychic vampire ?? or something inbetween ??? truly this is the age of kali yuga !!!!!
This is to the 'anonymous" one who called Nath Yogi a bastard:
One can understand from the attachment better to call obsession how foolish, debased are her followers.
I do agree that it is not wise to say all disciples and followers are so by interacting with one.
He/She posted as anonymous. They don't have guts to write their names. When one cannot show who he or she is all their talk is only a babbling of a child.
If they are happy in calling me bastard, ignorant fool, etc. so be it. Their calling only expose the followers and disciples of Amrithanandmayi. By their shouting and bad words they cannot establish untruth as truth.
I don't want to be what Ammachi to the world. I have already started to bring the change by exposing them.
Nath Yogi works renouncing success and failure but only for the sake of truth.
People cannot be fooled forever and the truth cannot be hidden.
I have seen over twenty years how people in Ammas ashram, including myself, driven by Yoga philosophy as thought by Amma and sawamis basically waste their time and money. Also by celibacy (is maybe good VERY moderately) and by strain on nerves end up at least for sometime pretty messed up. And not 'enlightened' back in the society not well fitting in. And a lot of money runs the math.. pay and serve! Haridas
New video debunking Amma's scam. She's a honeytrap for sincere seekers, luring them into darkness.
https://www.minds.com/media/865663575399976960
https://youtu.be/m4QQkVOCXjs
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