Guruphiliac: Ramdev Quacks

Thursday, January 24, 2008

Ramdev Quacks

File under: Gurubusting, Satscams and The Siddhi of PR

In his ongoing effort to steal the limelight away from Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Swami Ramdev is now making very bold claims for his yoga regimen:
In an interview with Khaleej Times, the 38-year-old yogic, who is in Dubai for the first time to conduct a three-day yoga camp, said, “I have helped cure more than 1,000 people of cancer through yoga and pranayama (breathing techniques) over a period of time and have scientific documentation to prove it. People who had blood, uterus, breast and pituitary gland cancer and have had abnormal parameters, now have normal parameters.”
Note that he "helped cure," which anyone in these patients lives could claim, especially their medical doctors. It appears the swami has wised-up since he got spanked for claiming he could cure HIV/AIDS.

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At 1/26/2008 2:58 AM, Blogger vishwa said...

dear i am from art of living . and in my knowledge Sri Sri and ramdev enjoys a very good relation . and their is a mutual respect for each other

At 1/26/2008 12:03 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

their[s] is a mutual respect for each other

From their public persona, of course. It would look less guruly for them to publicly deride one another. But based on what former close devotees have said here, I wouldn't be surprised if Sri Sri was very competitive with Ramdev. We haven't heard so much from any of the swami's former close devotees.

At 1/26/2008 12:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

u deserve the art of living course . then you will realise that Sri Sri follows whatever he teaches . "I belong to you"

At 1/26/2008 1:13 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

u deserve the art of living course

No thank you.

At 1/26/2008 7:00 PM, Blogger gregory said...

maybe i have been in india (way) too long, but i see the everstatements of ramdev as normal

it is normal to lie in india... if 3000 people come to your function, you say 16,000 ... if you have 11,000 rupees, you say two lakhs ... if your bottled water is just from the tap, you say reverse osmosis, uv, AND ozone filtere.... if yoou know the camera won't be repaired for two months, you say, ready next week ... if you don't know where the place is, you say down that road, and turn left ... i could make this list as long as this page


How can i respect you if you don't respect yourself enough to try to advance your position? And if you are not selfish, how can you advance your position?

Lying is so normal that five guys can stand around talking and they are all lying, and they all know it!! And nobody cares!!

It is expected. It is normal.

It is only us westerners who "value honesty", i.e. hide it, or get easily offended by hypocrisy.
n India, no one does what they say, so it is expected, normal, natural, a completely legitimate way of doing things

Travel is good.

At 1/26/2008 7:21 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

Travel is good.

Not if it means you begin to accept bullshit just because it's more convenient.

At 1/26/2008 7:43 PM, Blogger stuartresnick said...

Gregory wrote...

I recall that when I lived in the Ganeshpuri ashrma, I'd walk my laundry into the town, where there was a guy with this little stall who'd do your laundry for a few rupees. He'd say for instance to come back to pick up the clean clothes on Wednesday.

I'd come back on Wednesday, and ask for my clean clothes. Are they ready? "Oh yes, yes," he'd say. Then there'd be this awkward silence, as I pondered the disconnect between his "yes, yes" and the fact that my clothes weren't actually there.

Then after about 10 seconds, he'd say, "Tomorrow!"


At 1/27/2008 10:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

when after about 10 seconds, he'd say, "Tomorrow!
::: Thats funnily true. Its legal to lie on such occasions in India.
Infact its not a lie but being polite. The laundry man is politely agreeing(bluffing)first and then leave the turth
for you to comprehend.

He considers it to be rude to say that he does not know, so he would tell a lie and will not bother to
even corect it later.

Indians are illogical. They can beleive kracki can actually supply bliss and they also accept communism as credible, as mush as she she doing the catwalk. Land of lies where 'Truth' is available in every 'street corner satsang'

Perhaps its their illogical ways of thinking that the extremes like
ramana kind and the neonitz(new nityananda)or UGK and slybaba could emerge within few miles from each other.

Thats why today an indian can buy a wrist watch worth 2.5 million dollars while another indian
within the same road can die without a fuss from starvation infront of a hospital gate without anyone to attend.

Its an Incredible India. If you look for credible in that, then you are in for surprise.
Its a mess and at the same time endless possibilities.

Btw whats greg doing in the 'land of lies' for so long ?

At 1/27/2008 11:59 AM, Blogger gregory said...

Not if it means you begin to accept bullshit just because it's more convenient.

this is a place where a western-bult bullshit detector doesn't function all the time

today's example.. an old village woman is sick, probably should/will take her to the hospital, but the local way is to do a three day casting out the devils ritual at the local temple, where there is a priest who has a bit of siddhi, and he was able to recount in trance an event from two years ago where a cobra was killed in the hut, and is taking revenge. which did happen a couple of years ago.

cobras often have a kind of accompanying dntity/minor deity that will talk through village women, telling them where to let them go when captured in a house

you of course can and will shoot holes in such stories, but this is a place where all the subtle and causal and surface realms are deeply mixed into normal life, sometimes obviously superstition, other times with jaw-dropping wisdom

my point, much of the behavior that we criticize in teachers from india has a cultural basis, they are just being normal, from their point of view.

the east west divide in most ashrams is quite telling in this regard.

western gurus, now, that is another subject, ... sickening, in short, for the most part

At 1/28/2008 7:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For Vishwa,

Yes, perhaps he does, except if you disagree with him, defy him, leave his ashram against his wishes, etc. In which cases, he quickly does not belong to such people, declaring them "mentally unstable" or "oversexed" or making such pronouncements as: "they stole money from my ashram in another life...."

Ravi Shankar only belongs to people who will behave without intelligence, never questioning him too much, going along with anything he commands (and it can be pretty weird). Everyone else is defamed (wrongly), with his taking a piece of true information and mixing it with lots of falsehood, just to give the slander a ring of truth.

I feel sorry for you. I hope to God you don't "deserve" the Art of Living Course, and escape with anything left of your brain/heart/life.

And no, I'm not some outsider who never knew him. Quite the contrary.

I print this because I actually feel "I belong to you" and want everyone to be happy, not misguided and hurt and ruined by such as Ravi Shankar.

At 3/11/2008 8:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm Indian and I'm quite flabbergasted at the things some people have written. To call Indians illogical is not only being prejudiced but also very ignorant.I would suggest that these people actually mingle with well read Intellectuals in India, and not some street vendors who might not have passed elementary school before posting biased opinions.

At 1/15/2010 3:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with what someone anonymously wrote - ravi shankar and his brigade, going around calling him Divine (!!!) is all such a farce...i cannot imagine educated indians or human beings would fall for such disgusting marketing gimmicks...people get a grip of your life...dont spoil your life wasting it away in pretentious humab beinga who claim them to be God...why would we have god otherwisE?

At 1/15/2010 3:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous who said "For Vishwa,Yes, perhaps he does, except if you disagree with him, defy him, leave his ashram against his wishes, etc."

I completely agree with you.They market AOL like an MLM or Amway product where you need to bring and people. They are under the perception that whatever they do is right and they are the only ones with knowledge of lives. I am sorry,but i cannot tolerate people from AOL and you rightly said,they are completely out of mind and have become puppets.


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