Guruphiliac: John DeRuiter Update

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

John DeRuiter Update

File under: The Siddhi of PR

A reader sends us an update on John DeRuiter of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, a noted nonduality purveyor who kinda seems like a jerk, although he gets a tip o' the turban for openly pulling a pair of sisters as his girlfriends:
Well folks, it must be time for an update. It is now 2009 and where are we now with John DeRuiter? Having been around John for many years I'm pretty sure I can give a fair assessment of what is happening around him, but then again I'm a bit of a shit disturber and actually still have a brain and my critical thinking capacity.

Firstly, people commenting on JDR who have not personally sat with him are completely in the dark and are making uninformed decisions in their comments (much the same as the people who voted for George Dubyuh.)

Now 10 years later, John still has a relationship with the two woman (sisters) who he dumped his wife for. (Actually, he gave his wife the choice to join the harem, she declined.) There is no love lost between the two sisters and they are much like acid and ice cream—not a good mix. Acid, Benita, is in charge of everything. She had no people skills whatsoever when she started the job and now she has at least one or two, so she is growing. The main woman in charge at the time was dumped with the excuse that she needed a vacation. That woman probably still questions her worthiness, but now I'm speculating.

I've had many deep experiences sitting with John and will tell you that he has never bitten me, (probably because I bite back.) But I would never take some of the crap that he dishes to some people, but they invariably take it. Over all, it's unbelievably boring. We sit, we gaze, he gazes. It's all very peaceful, like a graveyard, or should I say mausoleum, as the new digs are all marble and chandeliers.

My main complaint was that if you were to ask John a challenging question, he very often reverts to silence, and that cuts out any chance of a dialogue about truth or anything else. By doing so, he chooses always to be in "Power" position and you, the questioner, become secondary chimpanzee without a voice. It truly sucks and is completely disempowering. There can be no "Real" dialogue because he's always in charge of the situation.

The majority of people in the group are pretty "John Gone," and there is no focus on critical questioning as the group has silently agreed that that is not cool. I think they call it co-dependency. The sad thing with almost any guru who answers all questions is that it basically makes you a bit stupid and you will always second guess your decisions, ("gee, I wonder what John would do?"), and John has an answer for everything. He is an incredibly intelligent speaker and master of the one liner. The problem though is that he has created an obscure language that most humans cannot possibly grasp, and in my opinion has muddied and complicated the pure field of truth.

Many who hang with John get a lot from it. They are intelligent and articulate people and some are real sweethearts. People in the group do have an opinion which they share privately but not publicly.

All in all he seems pretty benign and he ain't no Jim Jones but if you want to truly grow, get the hell out of there and take on life directly.
Maybe not a Jim Jones, but DeRuiter's from-on-high positioning of himself, especially his tendency to duck the tough questions, really only obscures more than clarifies the nondual us. But that could have been a business decision: keep them in mystery and they'll keep coming back (and paying you) for the answer.



At 2/18/2009 9:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Benita and Katrina von Sass are two very spoilt little rich girls (Daddy is a millionaire)who wanted there own pop up Jesus...DeRuiter used to claim he had been enlightened by Christ while driving his 4 wheeler!?? His organisation has been remade in their own uptight bourgeois image. DeRuiter also used to advise couples to become celibate for a while they established a 'Bond of Being'? All the while he was shagging his up market blondes behind the back of his wife. As the man claimed to be 'The Living Embodiment of Truth' Charges of profound hypocrisy and dishonesty were apparent to all but the totally blind. He used to attaract audiences of up to 600 for his meetings in the UK. The word on the grapevine is that this number has been reduced to about 50 or 60. Which just goes to show how succesfully Benita has managed to decimate his 'Ministry'. John DeRuiter has a messiahnic ego the size of a dumper truck with elements of Born Again Christianity car crashed with Advaita. John would be well advised to burn down his 'College of Integrated Philosophy' and go back to being a simple Shoe Maker, then he might learn the lessons of 'Profound Honesty' and 'Tender OK-ness' which he so likes to dish out to others!

At 2/18/2009 10:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our JDeR updater wrote:

"My main complaint was that if you were to ask John a challenging question, he very often reverts to silence, and that cuts out any chance of a dialogue about truth or anything else. By doing so, he chooses always to be in "Power" position and you, the questioner, become secondary chimpanzee without a voice. It truly sucks and is completely disempowering. There can be no "Real" dialogue because he's always in charge of the situation."

They all do that. Except maybe Andrew Cohen.

For me, a "real dialogue" would include relationship and work questions. But, based on their actions, these guys' answers to both questions would have to be: "Become a satsang guru - babes, money, and world travel for just sitting around!"

I want to meet someone who does teaching for free because they are so wise that they have a career and don't need satsang money.

And I want to talk to someone who has relationships sorted out.

In other words, I'm interested in the whole truth.

But I guess JDeR would say that the reality is beyond words, which is true, but it also indicates a lack of skill or playing safe on his part.

BTW, his enneagram type is 9 which is the slothful peacemaker - very attractive to spiritual types. He looks like a surfer dude.

At 2/19/2009 6:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'I want to meet someone who does teaching for free because they are so wise that they have a career and don't need satsang money.

And I want to talk to someone who has relationships sorted out.

In other words, I'm interested in the whole truth.'

And do you expect to find this paragon in another fallible, breathing human?
Not asking for much, are you?

I can recommend a good book from someone who has lived and studied both sides of the guru/disciple duality:
Len Oakes, Prophetic Charisma, The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities.

You have the equipment between your ears; time to use it, maybe.

At 2/19/2009 7:55 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Marty, may I be so bald as to ask how yore comments above--about this feller who has found a way to get all the pussy and money he wants just by sittin around starin at folks---contribute to world piece and happiness?

At 2/19/2009 8:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>>"We sit, we gaze, he gazes"<<<

could somebody comment on this phenomenon please?

seen to much (and alot of this)

At 2/19/2009 5:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

seen too much,

>>>>"We sit, we gaze, he gazes"<<<

Jody provided a link to Rick Ross on DeRuiter, a couple of articles there discuss the reasons and results of the silent gazing.
Instant intimacy.

At 2/20/2009 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Chuck, I may be reading too much into some of your posts and comments, but it sounds to me like maybe you view religion and spirituality as pretty much the source of all or most human evil?

I'm pretty sure that if you compared the morality of people who identify themselves as religious or spiritual with those who self identify as atheists or secular, it would be the standard bell curve for both groups.

But, for my two cents, I like it when you satirize the wacky aspects of spirituality - and there sure is plenty of that around today. "Just follow my ten step spirituality program and you'll find inner peace - and personal wealth!" Or "Jut follow my... and nothing bad will ever happen to you!"


At 2/21/2009 1:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’m surprised that my comments seem to have triggered odd resonses from Ellen and Chuck.

To Ellen,

You wrote: “And do you expect to find this paragon in another fallible, breathing human? Not asking for much, are you? I can recommend a good book from someone who has lived and studied both sides of the guru/disciple duality: Len Oakes, Prophetic Charisma, The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities. You have the equipment between your ears; time to use it, maybe.”

Ellen, what is it in what I wrote that brought about this odd response?

The point is that these guys claim to be paragons. For example, I heard that a kid asked John de Ruiter, “Are you Jesus?” De Ruiter replied, “No. But like him.” How’s that for grandiosity! And how is someone who suffers from grandiosity supposed to be teaching others? It seems to me that many of these guru are worse than the average joe, rather than more advanced.

What’s wrong with expecting human beings to have spirituality, work, and relationships all working well? Those things are the basics of what life is about. If a guru is teaching others about life they should have mastered at least the basics of life. Surely?

And, yes, I have used the equipment between the ears more than most, and, I suspect, more than you. In fact, I'm getting a little tired of doing others' thinking for them. Have you got a solution for that?

To Chuck,

You wrote: “Marty, may I be so bald as to ask how yore comments above--about this feller who has found a way to get all the pussy and money he wants just by sittin around starin at folks---contribute to world piece and happiness?”

Hopefully, Chucky, it raises questions and get people thinking. Once people are asking questions and thinking, answers pop up. Human evolution happens quickly, and is so advanced, precisely because we use our brains more than the non-humans do, and this should be encouraged further.

But my purpose in this instance wasn’t exactly to contribute to world peace and happiness; it was just to respond to this blog’s discussion. Didn’t you notice that the topic of this blog is dodgy gurus, not worldwide happiness? Hint: the blog is called "Guruphiliac."

Wouldn’t it be better to respond to the content of what I wrote? What is your response to the content of what I wrote?

At 2/21/2009 2:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 2/21/2009 8:57 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Paul and Marty, when your write your write.... I'm afraid I've done been in a grouch mood for the passed 5 years or more, have become rusty and crusty in thought and mind... I was borned in the church (Dime Box First Baptist) and got baptized at 14 sos's if I died of snake bite or got swallowed in a pit o quick sand or hit by a rick-o-shaying bullet I wouldnt go straight to hell! When I went down under the water for the 3rd time (ie onst for the father, onst for the son, and onst for the holy ghost) I felt somethin wellin up in my heart. A fat child blubberin about Jesus aint pretty in the baptist church so I slunk off and feasted on the off gassin of my own nuerons... It was the happiest day of my life and I figgered Id be face to face with Jesus from that day on... But it werent to be... Life in the church-- even with all the fried chicken dinners and the after service cakes-- went pale after I got baptised. Few years of livin in the slow lane and I run into a bunch o hippies called the Children of God! They just danced and sang and didnt work a lick and I figgured the Lord had done showed me the way... But it got wiered fast and I was lucky enough to get a dose of disentary so bad that I had to go to the Lufkin horsepistal for a week to survive it. Got down to the skin and bones wait of 185! So I went to college for a year and discovered TM! You may laugh but I had me some times sittin around in my unders meditatin... Many kosmic experienses, many sightins of the Lord from fore and aft! I was likely the fatest kid ever allowd to be a TM teacher! It was a happy time in many ways to be yung and to no in yore heart that Gawd is just a half breath away! I felt the presense of the Lord but it didnyt last... So the years has past and the road has done become flat and muddy. The mud has got so deep and sticky that ever step I take tries to suck the cowboy boots right off a fellers foot! The road goes on like their aint no end to it but there is... The onliest miracle I ever saw is all the folks who even when there near and deer ones die, they dont believe that they themselves will die! That there is a miracle or maybe its a intuition. I caint say...

Bottom line is I have got a little down in the mouth. I aint saintly like Paul bearin my afflictions with a song in my heart or hopeful of wirld piece like Marty! Im a sour puss through and through... I apologize for bein rusty and krusty. I have reached a time when my child has been raised and since I snore like sow must sleep in a mule barn! Sellin used auto parts aint made me rich.. I'm just your average fat man stumblin down the road wearin bib overalls, buttoned up to the neck western shirt, string tie, straw stetson and tony llamas on my pig feet. So I go draggin my cross behind me with the roller skate nailed to the end of it that hits the road. I aint got no clues bout relationships or makin money... I know that religious folks aint no worse that the other kind thats bound for hell! If you see me as your drivin by mayhaps you can offer me a bowl of fried okra... I remain yore humbled servant, Chuck.

At 2/21/2009 11:49 AM, Blogger Peggy Burgess said...

Hell chuck, I gotta get my dang goiter nuked how ya think i feel? I'm gonna be a real pain in the ass then.
Some of us just weren't meant to sit around on satin pillows lookin serene. They call it the hard path, but with plenty of carbs! So your fat at least cushions you.

At 2/21/2009 1:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'What’s wrong with expecting human beings to have spirituality, work, and relationships all working well? Those things are the basics of what life is about.'

It's the "expecting" that stops me in my tracks, Martin. Look around you, where do you get the notion from that there is any valid 'expectation'?

The basics of life are food, water, shelter---we cannot even 'expect' those. As long as you have high-falutin expectations of life such as the 'whole truth' there will be slick-willy 'spiritual' types to exploit those expectations in order to fulfil their own needs.

Try asking yourself what the 'whole truth' is, whether it exists in any concrete way other than as a woolly, feel-good concept, whether it is attainable
in any way FOR YOU, here in this life--disregard anyone elses notions of what the 'whole truth' might be and burn a few neurons yourself, that is what your neurons are for.

As Chuck has so wisely illustrated, it's a rocky road that goes nowhere much but it's worth walking if you are that way inclined.
Amen, Chuck, amen.

At 2/21/2009 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lot's of folks with religious upbringings are painfully aware of how much is wrong with religion - and that's plenty. I have the feeling we'd agree on a lot more than we'd disagree.

The only difference may be that all the crap (if I may so so)that you've had to personally put up with in the religion area has soured you, as you say, on the whole thing.

I see myself as fortunate not to have had anyone trying to force doctine on me growing up. When I turned toward spirituality, it was just part of my own development as a person.

Btw, if you look at my next post you might want to start with the note at the end. Notice that the way I use the word God makes it everybody's God, including atheists. I know that must sound weird but for that matter the book I wrote has nothing to do with religious belief even though the title is Original Faith.

And I don't think anyone's going to hell. More than enough of us have been there/done that.

At 2/22/2009 9:26 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Paul, you sure may be right that all the religious crap I have done gone through, or has done gone through me like goose grain through a Chinaman, has sour pussed me on the whole shebang. Without a good and propper story to hang all this crap on, it don't seem to make good sence or "be worth the pain of the momma that bored me", as John Wayne said in the Flacka scene of his movie masterpiece, "The Alamo"! Without a gloryfried way of understandin the what and the why the hell of livin, even movin around in the pristeen Eden knowed as East Texas aint reason enough to be alive! Fried chicken, no matter how large the portion aint reason enough neither! I may as well be in a hog stall bein fattened on sorghum for Easter breakfast! The Jesus story and the reincarnation story leadin to ultimate enlightenment dont hold the same water they did before which leaves yours truly sittin in a motel room in Lufkin, Texas with 50 channels of TV and nothin on but weather and shoppin. I aint much interested in weather anbd shoppin, Paul!

Now you say you weren't borned bein buggered by religion and you come to spirituality on your own. Well by sinserely tryin to follow the dicktates of said spirituality I have done come on my own to a dry land of bones and peanut brittle... I am wrapped up tight in the duck tape of unmet expectations! At least that is what my mule, Da Free Jack, has told me and dammed if I aint startin to believe the old boy...

yomamma, sorry to hear about yore goiter. Here's hopin an easy ride for you in that reguard. Speakin of goiters, that's somethin I used to see a lot of in East Texas, ceptin mostly it was tall skinny men married to big fat women that had em! You are correct about the butt paddin though. It do come in handy when lyin down to sleep on a bed of cactus!

At 2/23/2009 5:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'I'm getting a little tired of doing others' thinking for them. Have you got a solution for that?'

I don't want to get into an argument with you but will give you my solution for the question you posed.

There is absolutely no way that you can do others thinking for them. You may implant second hand thoughts in vulnerable others but that is a long way from the hard and painful process of thinking.

That, if it is to be done, can only be done by the person themselves.

Your illusion that you are doing others thinking for them and that you are now tired of it is very simply solved, get off your high horse, discard the illusion and think for the only person that you can think for--yourself.

with best wishes.

At 2/26/2009 7:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"using your minds" to make yourself right or more "honest" or more "real" than another human being is fruitless for the only serves to make the one expounding their personal opinion strong for a moment in experience yourself to be 'true" by saying "this is untrue, obviously"...."watch out for these lies" can use your mind to capture something and turn it into something that suits your needs....the question is, who are you without John Deruiter? What is this website without all these "bad ones"...

Are you whole? How can anything you say be constructive when the intent is to disown your own shadow....the "slothful peacemaker" is one who would use another human being to bury his own insecurities and lack of integrity....into another human being and call himself, working , eating have nothing to do with it...the real crux is intent...what is your intent in having this website? It is not a bad intent, but it is obviously self doing it to "help others" and to wake people up to...??? YOU....

I Exist...I am Real....I have an Opinion....

your intention is no different than anyone you may point a finger at and claim "see....see these failings??? That is not me....It does not belong to me..."....that is what I am doing right is my own need to be validated by myself, to myself that makes me lash out....that would cause me to throw you to the dogs I have within my own self....and what have I proved? I have proved my lack of understanding, my lack of self....

because the mind can think....but what of emotion? How do you feel about these men you criticize? Mind is the easiest thing to reconcile....because when the shadow appears....just paint it black and watch yourself shine....and that is self the "real life" of food, jobs, other people....making my life comfortable and myself comfortable by intending the harm of another...attacking innate dignity of another so I myself may appear just....

It is like a Christian who finds a devil...not in himself, but in another human being....and must go around telling everyone the dangers and lies that this devil may hold...but who is the Devil? You find your devils in others and they will indeed come for you....

Because they must prove to you that they too are not to be scorned or used to hide your own lack of understanding within....

not a mental lack of understanding but a deeper misundertstanding....namely, you are what you yourself see with...

At 2/27/2009 1:07 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

what is your intent in having this website?

The intent is to make clear that the realization of nondual truth does not make anyone any more divine than anyone else, and that reports to the contrary are at best, delusional, and often, dishonest, and sometimes, criminal.

For example, DeRuiter wants us to believe that staring at him can invoke some kind of transfer of "energy." This is based on ideas inherent in a folk theory of enlightenment. It's hogwash, in my opinion.

Regardless of how you may feel that my personal psychology is wrapped up in this, I feel a strong need to make clear that nondual realization gets you nothing beyond nondual realization. While this can be blissful, and very helpful in many ways, magic powers to enlighten with a look are not included. DeRuiter is living off of this conceit, hence the treatment here.

At 3/03/2009 11:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Chuck,

You wrote: “You may laugh but I had me some times sittin around in my unders meditatin... Many kosmic experienses, many sightins of the Lord from fore and aft! I was likely the fatest kid ever allowd to be a TM teacher! It was a happy time in many ways to be yung and to no in yore heart that Gawd is just a half breath away! I felt the presense of the Lord but it didnyt last... So the years has past and the road has done become flat and muddy. The mud has got so deep and sticky that ever step I take tries to suck the cowboy boots right off a fellers foot!”

A crisis, this is! Radical action, it calls for!

What is your priority? Health and liberation should be your goals. Let nothing get in your way. Have you saved some money? Go to India maybe. Or... Why didn't you ask The Lord for some tips while you were visiting?

Hi Ellen,

You wrote: “It's the "expecting" that stops me in my tracks, Martin. Look around you, where do you get the notion from that there is any valid 'expectation'? The basics of life are food, water, shelter---we cannot even 'expect' those. As long as you have high-falutin expectations of life such as the 'whole truth' there will be slick-willy 'spiritual' types to exploit those expectations in order to fulfil their own needs. Try asking yourself what the 'whole truth' is, whether it exists in any concrete way other than as a woolly, feel-good concept, whether it is attainable in any way FOR YOU, here in this life--disregard anyone elses notions of what the 'whole truth' might be and burn a few neurons yourself, that is what your neurons are for.”

I mean if someone is claiming to be Real God (Adi Da), or The Perfect Unstained Mirror (Andrew Cohen), or Like Jesus (J de R), THEN it’s reasonable to expect remarkable answers about relationship, work, and liberation. Besides that, wouldn’t you like to meet such a person too? It would be refreshing.

The whole truth about human life exists. Whether we can grasp it or understand it is questionable. But things like relationship, work, and liberation should be quite straightforward.

I have thought about it. My view is that all these are about Being and Acting from Being. My belief is that society makes this hard to do. If gurus agree, then why don’t they say that?

Hi Jody,

I agree that “…the realization of nondual truth does not make anyone any more divine than anyone else…”

But I disagree that it’s hogwash that “…staring at him can invoke some kind of transfer of "energy."

You need to get out more! I’ve had plenty of trippy “energy” experiences and psychic experiences from “gurus.”


Martin Gifford.

At 3/03/2009 11:29 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

I’ve had plenty of trippy “energy” experiences and psychic experiences from “gurus.”

I don't doubt that, nor do I question their significance for you, Martin. However, I'm not convinced it's anything supernatural. Our neurology is predisposed to this kind of thing once we're primed. The gurus in this case are just as likely to be stand-ins for our own spiritual cores. We are turning ourselves on by the agency of the image provided by a guru, imo.

At 3/04/2009 8:20 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Martin said...What is your priority? Health and liberation should be your goals. Let nothing get in your way. Have you saved some money? Go to India maybe. Or... Why didn't you ask The Lord for some tips while you were visiting?

Thanks for standin in for the Good Lord and writin yours truly a perscription for his pains! But my point is is that by doin what the Good Feller said to do is how I got wheres I am today!! Course I've got now and likely always have had quite a confluence of wax and hair in my ears so's it possible I misunderstood what the Lord was sayin to do! Him bein trained to talk English in Californica should have helped but I noticed that he still had somewhat of a lisp!

Anyways the jist of what he was always sayin was it didn't matter much if thangs was good or bad accordin to Chuck. What mattered was not to judge in the heart of Chuck about no "good" and no "no good". Much like Mharishi used to say, "See the job, do the job, stay out of the misery..." Othere that these here kind of pronouncements, the Good Lord used to jist laugh at my troubles much like I did at poor Chuck JR when the little fellow used to git so upset cause the other boys got to ride shetland ponies whilst he had to ride a miniature mule! When the Good Lord wasn't sayin quippy thangs in the voice of Troy Donnahew or laughin at yours truly like a jackass eatin cactus, he was starin off into space like he'd jist been hit on the head with a dirt clod or shit on by invisible birds!

At 3/04/2009 11:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Martin,

I can't improve on Jody's or Chuck's comments so I won't bother to try.

I have a word for you though, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
That's three, I know, but I make no claims for consistency, particularly when I am tired, and reading your website and your posts do make me feel a bit tired.

'Besides that, wouldn’t you like to meet such a person too?'

No. I like my people fallible, just like me.

'It would be refreshing.'

It would be an exercise in delusion.

'The whole truth about human life exists.'

An assertion, utterly unfounded.

'Whether we can grasp it or understand it is questionable.'

A formal fallacy, affirming the consequent or converse error.

'But things like relationship, work, and liberation should be quite straightforward.'

Sez who? Martin?

At 3/04/2009 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


As a point of interest, I did meet Andrew Cohen many years ago when he was first starting out on his current career.
It was by mistake, I stumbled into his meeting when looking for something else entirely.

I am quite an old lady and have not led a sheltered life but I stayed and listened because I was appalled and fascinated.

I can honestly say that I have not seen so much arrogance manifested in one person before or since and I have rubbed shoulders with some arrogant types in my time. I gather he has not softened much in the intervening years.

Good luck with your quest, Martin, whatever it is.

At 3/04/2009 5:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"For example, DeRuiter wants us to believe that staring at him can invoke some kind of transfer of "energy." This is based on ideas inherent in a folk theory of enlightenment. It's hogwash, in my opinion."

Unless you benefitted from an interaction with another human being (John DeRuiter in this case) how would you know of the potential benefits he/she has to offer another human being? Many people didnt like Hank Williams when he was around and dont like him now. me he is exceptionally fine. His message, his life...have impacted and taught me something magical...his skill as a human being are evident to me, through his failings...through his music...comes something that speaks for worth...

"Regardless of how you may feel that my personal psychology is wrapped up in this, I feel a strong need to make clear that nondual realization gets you nothing beyond nondual realization. While this can be blissful, and very helpful in many ways, magic powers to enlighten with a look are not included. DeRuiter is living off of this conceit, hence the treatment here."

What if a man DID have magic powers, like Hafiz, like Rumi,...there are countless ones who shared the maricle of there own origin. The kind of magic that, through an imperfect life reveals genuine depth that can be shared and enjoyed? Thats what we are here for...

Even angels fear that brand of madness
That arrays itself against the world
And throws sharp stones and spears into The innocent and into one's self.
I know the way you can get
If you have not been drinking Love:
You might rip apart
Every sentence your friends and teachers say,
Looking for hidden clauses.
You might weigh every word on a scale
Like a dead fish.
You might pull out a ruler to measure
From every angle in your darkness
The beautiful dimensions of a heart you once Trusted.
I know the way you can get
If you have not had a drink from Love's Hands.
That is why all the Great Ones speak of the vital need
To keep remembering God,
So you will come to know and see Him
As being so Playful
And Wanting,
Just Wanting to help.
That is why Hafiz says:
Bring your cup near me.
For all I care about
Is quenching your thirst for freedom!
All a Sane man can ever care about
Is giving Love!

This poem is not nessessary and if he sold it in his day to buy a meal i would not discount its worth or his worth for having unvieled it.

A farmer points the way with a radish!

At 3/05/2009 12:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jody,

Psychic ability and bliss-glances are supernatural by definition.

Hi Chuck,

Yeah, I know the Good Lord doesn’t seem to get the effects on us of His advice, influence, and appearance. He just doesn’t get it! Being Timeless and all makes him Clueless. Like, totally.

In my case, I ended up on a park bench with possums licking my scalp at 3 AM (because of fruit shampoo residue!)! So those possums initiated me into doing me some serious thinking about all this. It seems to me that we need time and space to being our being and to let ourselves act from being, but society keeps pressuring us. Otherwise, we can just set up shop as a guru. Have you thought of that?

I reckon, forget about what Chuck thinks is good or bad – what does Chuck’s body have to say about it? In my case, my body says, “Martin, What the fuck are you doing on a cold hard bench at 3 AM being eaten by possums, when there are billions of nice warm mattresses in the world?”

Yes, the Lord can seem spaced out. Sometimes, He acts like a cute chick playing hard to get. I asked a guru once, “Why does God play hard to get?” He said, “In the beginning he does. But in the end, it’s easy.”

I thought, “While that’s true, screw the cryptic answers!”

Hi Ellen,

Why play the world-weary cynic? It’s just a role. It’s merely a reaction to having had your natural, innate, spiritual, wholesome, organic, and deeply true ideals dashed. Deep down you want to meet a profoundly awake person. Admit it. Your heart would dance. Your soul would fly.

The whole truth about human life exists. Why? Because reality exists. That’s self-evident.

Okay, let’s reverse it, why would things like relationship, work, and liberation NOT be straightforward?

Of course, we are complex, but we are ruled by simple things like pleasure. We have the brains to figure out how to make simple pleasure work out.

Martin Gifford.

At 3/05/2009 11:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'A farmer points the way with a radish!'

Hafiz and Rumi were great poets, magicians at juggling words.
I doubt either of them claimed to work magic or miracles in any other form.

Their particular magic was in the art of painting beautiful pictures, with words, in the heads of receptive listeners/readers of their work.
This is not a miracle.
It happens every day to anyone who reads/listens to anything.

A problem arises when the reader/listener mistakes the beautiful picture for is still only an image, as the radish remains a radish.

No miracle there unless you really, really, really want it to be a miracle.

At 3/06/2009 2:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Martin,

'Why play the world-weary cynic? It’s just a role.'

You know, you might be onto something there. Follow that radish.

I think, in my world-weariness, Martin, that I have figured out your quest.
I am glad that you are on such chummy terms with God, because I have a hunch you are going to need some divine help stepping into that particular snakepit.

Been in a more than a few snakepits in my time- you don't get to be world-weary and cynical just by lapping up those beautiful word pictures in safety, you know.

The guru business is a cut-throat competitive operation these days and your peers have their eyes wide open.

But hey, what do I know?

I'm such a world-weary cynic that I find a radish miraculous enough in itself to not need what it's pointing to.

It'll do for me.

At 3/06/2009 12:09 PM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Martin, I appreshelate your insight into the Good Lord and his possums. Them fellers are scary with their rat tails and those teeth. But it's the coons you need to fight shy of. They are natural borned cat killers!
I have been told that God is always in Mahasamadhi and don't even know that we exist, that it's our own minds that have done created this here mess and our own minds that have to bring it to a conclusion! You asked about my body... It's big and its ugily! I have been told that all problems are associlated with this here body and that like a fart, it has a beginnin, a middle and an end! I can affirm that mine has a midddle much like the Mississippi River swollen up with filth and carcusses and muck! It also has a mighty big end much like the delta fan spreadin out as the Big Muddy enters the salt! Nobody is standin in line to give this body money and the only way most folks want to relate to this body is to stay a safe distance from its fume! Add to that that the Good Lord can't even smell yours truly, him bein in Mahasamadhi! Whats a poor boy to do butt grin and bare it!!

Good luck to you Martin! With this here Ellen on yore ass, your sure gonna need the help! This gal reminds me of Betty!!

At 3/06/2009 10:03 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

how would you know of the potential benefits he/she has to offer another human being?

I'm not saying there are no benefits, I'm saying the efficacy is a function of a belief IN John's magic powers of meditation or enlightenment, rather than any magic powers John would actually have.

What if a man DID have magic powers, like Hafiz, like Rumi

What if their "magic" was nothing more than their talent as poets, and all the magic they wrote about was metaphor?

...there are countless ones who shared the maricle of there own origin.

What if the "miracle" were not necessarily of a supernatural origin?

the kind of magic that, through an imperfect life reveals genuine depth that can be shared and enjoyed?

The magic of life and a magic life are two different cases. The first is our blessing as living beings, the second a reliance on childish ideas.

Thats what we are here for...

Or what you like to think we are here for...

At 3/06/2009 11:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Ellen,

Yes, radishes are miraculous, as is all. But there’s such a thing as human evolution and the manifestation of our greater potential. Therefore, the “world-weary cynic” role is inappropriate.

Hi Chuck,

Personally, I think our individual situations are group-caused and require a group solution. I think we unnecessarily struggle to solve our individual problems, when the problem is caused by the whole society.

We can’t really know if God is always in Mahasamadhi and/or oblivious about us. We’d have to be God to know. And none of us are God.

One way to get slim is to buy an exercise bike and put it in front of the TV and make a rule like “I can only watch TV if I’m a-peddlin’.”

Doesn’t TM help you achieve your goals?

My body was slim when I did martial arts, and it was fun. I was also slim when I had a physical job. Maybe you could change to a more physical job? There are jobs in Australia that just involve moving boxes around, yet they pay well. Probably wouldn’t pay much in USA. Maybe you could find someone who wants to get fit and do something FUN like tennis.

Good luck to you too, Chuck.

Hi Jody,

Why disbelieve in magic powers? Why not just keep an open mind?

But I agree we shouldn’t rely on another’s magic powers.


Martin Gifford.

At 3/06/2009 11:35 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

Why not just keep an open mind?

Been there, done that. An occasional hit does not a magic world make.

At 3/07/2009 4:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


'And none of us are God.'

There, Martin, you are profoundly mistaken. I often take the role of god/goddess for a while when I am not being a radish and require no daddy-figure to label it appropriate or inappropriate.

'Why not just keep an open mind?'

Why not be your own gate-keeper
and keep a flexible door policy?---
garbage in, garbage out.

At 3/07/2009 9:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jody,

One instance of magic is all it takes to lose one's virginity.

Hi Ellen,

How many universes hast thou created lately?

I have an open mind... at least in principle. ;)

Show us your stuff and I might believe.

Martin Gifford.

At 3/08/2009 1:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Show us your stuff and I might believe.'

No requirement at all that you believe, Martin.
It's the belief that is the problem.

At 3/09/2009 12:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Ellen,

Which belief - your belief that you are God, or my belief that you are God after you've proven that you are God?

Martin Gifford.

At 5/12/2009 9:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently it's all falling apart at present. The wives are disaffected and looking to get out, and with one of his kids back in the picture, the whole scene is one of abject aggravation. The true value of John's teaching will be sorely tested by how he handles the legalities associated with dissolving his little slice o paradise. Stay tuned to whatever his frequency is for all the wackiness!

At 9/02/2009 12:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As promised, the show has begun. He's already "remarried" in the wake of the sisters' departure and the litigious stage is being set. Lawyers are angling for how best to split up the Oasis assets, and followers are dropping off the roster like the proverbial rats fleeing the ship. All I have to say is GOOD - to ALL of it. The whole house of cards is coming down at last. And at last the real TRUTH of all his BS will be revealed for what it is...

At 9/09/2009 5:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Extraordinary - reading these comments. Now I know what a bunch of idiots are out there. No wonder the world is in a mess. Do some Byron Katie work for god sake and do the rest of us a favour....!!

Tel Aviv

At 9/26/2009 2:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John is a very focussed, very ambitious and very shrewd operator.....also a heartless psychopath it would seem....he uses people for as long as he needs to to make his next leg up the ladder to greater heights of power and personal glory......his original wife Joyce was dumped once he had his devotee platform established and the business-savvy Benita arrived on the scene with her sister.....John walked away from Joyce into the arms of the sisters brazenly without a 2nd glance back or a care in the world for her distress and shock after 18 years of marriage....the devotees closed ranks around him as they always do, turning their backs on the obvious distortions going almost seems like he enjoys pulling the rug out from under the feet of the women who adore and give all to him because we hear he went on to to the same with Benita..... after a decade of ruling the roost with her pointy iron rod brand of control and helping to establish his multi-million $$$ empire in Edmonton Benita was apparently also dumped in the same style....quite out of the blue he is said to have married a new chick and let Benita know almost as a 'by the way' over morning coffee.... he dumped her for a new and pretty-ish but make no mistake about it equally shrewd babe from the USofA. Well of course he would....the USA is off limits to him since years ago he was stopped from going there due to the Authorities having some bad memories of Osho-like scenes around now he gets his green card and access to all the dribbling seekers down south who are just desperate to lap up some of his energy-junkie marathons.....what amazes me is that decent, intelligent people take so long to see through him and realise that his whole teaching is a garbled mix relying heavily on use of power and projection....truly its a mess especially when, as a previous writer alludes, you listen to him through the ears of the Byron Katie work. Then you get to hear him talking about himself in extraordinary detail. Truly gob-smacking what he has to say !!
John is an amazing mix, a great act, incredibly charismatic and a complete snake. If you want energy fixes he is the one for you. If you want to know reality you find it when you leave him. So in that way he does his job. You just get bored in the end of all the anal gobbledegook and silent deeeeeeep staring....and finally one day you walk away and into the sunset and find your own feet.
So thanks are due in that kinda whacky way you thank an old creep of a gf/bf for teaching you a few of life's lessons the hard way !! ha ha ha !!!

At 10/14/2009 2:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brilliant! Yes indeed. Good riddance to bad rubbish as they say. It remains to be seen how the "empire" gets carved up. Apparently, to avoid the true costs of his debacle, John has hoodwinked a schmuck millionaire into bankrolling his downfall - for better or for worse. Talk about lightning striking twice - first the Von Sass's (cash, goods and girls), now this lame-o! What can you say but: caveat emptor!

At 10/26/2009 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fabulous. You truly get what you ask for. Same shit, different decade.. what appears as an important and exciting piece of information from the perspective of one level might be boring or even replusive at another. It is all relative and subjective, until at the highest perceptual level, what was, what is and what will be are comprehended wordlessly within the complete simultaneous possibility. Until then, It's hilarious to read this stuff.
"Benita and Katrina von Sass are two very spoilt little rich girls (Daddy is a millionaire)who wanted there own pop up Jesus" ha, ha... sorry, very immature. c'est la vie.

At 11/03/2009 7:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

he uses people and you use him to distract yourself from your own BS...nightmare writing...

At 12/09/2009 4:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently he's now actually bad-mouthing his ex-wives to the remaining followers. Some of the more paranoid/delisional elements are allegedly discussing reprisal against the former spouses! For what exactly? Refusal to participate in polygamy? Refusal to choke on the cock of Truth? Sheesh - not even federal politics are this hilarious!

At 12/18/2009 11:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can feel my healthy being pulse blood.
Hope that this dude that took a wierd stage like solo realizes that he is just another human.
All in the eyes of the beholder!
FU/SNFU maybe we like it. God save the queen.

At 12/28/2009 11:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those of you who suggest the work of Byron Katie.
Perhaps the work might be of some benefit if it is done as it is intended, which is not often the case. But Byron Katie is a whole different story. She was married to a man named Paul when she met her current husband, Stephen, who was also married at the time. They commenced to get involved and their spouse were not too happy. Paul went so far as to have a contract out on Stephen to have him murdered. Of course, who really knows all of what goes on in these situations. I do know that when I am with folks who were around katie during this time that they all seem to be very fond of her exhusband Paul and also very unwilling to question Byron Katie actions, only comments about all that Paul did for her or hesitant comments about their dislike for Stephen. And as soon as they do say anything it is quickly followed by some attempt to make whatever Byron Katie does as appropriate because she is who she is after all, which I guess is that she is "awake" and "enlightened" in their minds. (And it is also true today, that those close in Byron Katie's organization do not challenge her. If anyone does they are instantly jettisoned. Any explanation given, and there may be none, is always about the problem that person had, nothing about Byron Kate.)

For anyone who finds doing Byron Katie's work a benefit, that is great. But do not let that experience keep you from noticing the personality and actions of Byron Katie.

She is as shrewd an operator as any of these folks and uses and discards people as much as any of them. She is very different to people when she first meets them and those who have been around awhile, unless of course if you still are of benefit to her. Her business operates from self-interest as much as any business person you will ever meet. She is very invested in making money and keeping power and control.

I am not necessarily suggesting that she is much different than most folks, I guess that's my point. If you really look at her she is pretty regular, a shrewd business person able and willing to use people who are able and willing to be used, able and willing to many relationships/marriages, and move on when she wants to... She's out to get what she wants just like most people.

Only thing about her that is slightly different than most, other than those who are in her line of business, is that she has an in on appearing to be genuine, "right", and caring about others, in all her actions. People infatuated with her will not question her motives, almost seeming unable to perhaps like a young children who cannot question the actions of their parents.

Byron Katie is capable of, willing to, and does use people for money, for incredible amounts of "volunteer" work, for empowerment.... All the same stuff that the others do. No, she doesn't say she can stare at you and transmit anything, but she also never concedes that when she does the work with someone she is often incredibly controlling and manipulative in order to get the result she has predetermined to be that persons truth. She often uses her "work" to control people and get exactly what she wants from them. If your in a chair on stage with her that might simply be to answer her the way she thinks you need to answer. If your in her organization, it might be to get you to keep volunteering or keep donating money. If you've started in on the path it might be to keep you spending money on more schools or certification or the turnaround house. And if you are someone with any influence, well known in the world or have a lot of money or skill at something she needs, she really turns on the charm and she'll move you to the front of the line and keep you there as long as you agree with her.

Do the work if you want, but don't fool yourself, don't be done by Byron Katie.

At 12/29/2009 2:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently many followers are now claiming that the ghosts of John S. Pemberton, ET, St Luke, Ghandi, ,Tiny Tim and Betty and Richard James are attending meetings ....when will these people wake up? Bonita apparently sold her car last week, way below market value???? and now John has gone out and bought a new pair of sandals $$$$ and belt from Walmart.... from what I have gathered, Jesus is now getting involved and is very angry and may have to lay down a judgement.. also, many of the meetings are now full blown seances and euchre tournaments....field trips are being planned out to Giant Tiger and Value Village but many are refusing and finally demanding some of the higher end retail outlets be involved.....also, last week a few members of the group saw the movie Avatar and claimed Joyce was claiming that John had claimed that Jesus said that the group was claiming they loved John when he loved both the sisters and not his new girlfriend....quote "Daddy, we dont like your new girlfriend..." I am just glad they exist as a problem so I realize I am free of what all the bad things they are and do are...thank goodness things are beginning to come out into the open where we can properly understand them and this website is really part of that process....kudos to everyone involved...we are getting closer!

At 2/09/2010 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looking for a 2010 update! Are the follower's still following? I thought this show would finally be ending. Let us know! Just curious what's reading about this john guy.

At 2/11/2010 11:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please we need an update on the John happenings. Are his follower's still hanging in there? What's new?

At 3/04/2010 3:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

de Ruiter sucks people in through what I believe is a completely unparalleled energetic experience. For those who don't know what I mean, it is like sitting in the middle of a light show. Auras and heart beating, etc.

It is completely understandable why people become convinced that he is something special. These people are victims. Especially the Von Sass sisters. For those of you who have been bashing them, you simply have no idea. None.

John de Ruiter uses people by telling them that he is the Christ. His energetic abilities are so amazing that people believe him. Once they do believe him, they are able to explain away most things that would seem critically "off" for others. This is because people intuitively believe that the Christ will know better and act in a way that is onto his/her own rules. The point being, followers of de Ruiter have to go through a whole lot to come to understand that he is a fraud. This again is mainly because they have never felt such amazing energetic experiences before and give de Ruiter the credit of being the Christ because of this. This is a very confusing experience as one other writer alluded to.

The Von Sass sisters and their family are some of the biggest victims - by far. Take Benita Von Sass for example. Before becoming de Ruiter's wife, she was apparently in law school. When she met de Ruiter, she dropped everything to help him because she fully believed that he was it. Over time, there were signs she began to see through de Ruiter. This is when he dumped her. Regardless - for 13 some odd years she had worked countless hours to better him, and in one month or thereabouts, he dumps her, fires her and marries someone new.

Katrina Von Sass was an Olympian before she met de Ruiter. She gave that life up and became his "wife" as well.

For people supposedly interested in human behaviour it appears that some of you favour the slash and burn approach rather that the think things through and have something legitimately considerate to say approach. It is understandable. de Ruiter is a controversial figure. A visceral reaction is natural. However, perhaps it would be better not to make a bad situation worse by trash talking the victims.

At 3/15/2010 11:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is de Ruiter providing any financial support to the von Sass sisters? That says a lot.

At 3/30/2010 10:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad thing here is that no one writing on this page has never met John nor have they been to one of his meetings. I am really disappointed with Anonymous' response since he isn’t talking from what he actually knows since he has had no connection with John. I have been going to meetings for over 10 years and I have not seen one leak in John’s teachings. I grew up in a tough area of town where you simply didn’t trust anyone. From the moment I first went to John’s meetings and he said something to the effect of that ‘One is a fool if he believes anyone or anything that he actually doesn’t know the Truth of in the deepest part of his heart,’ I knew he was a wise individual that was telling the Truth. John doesn’t ask people for money or use magic or hypnosis. He simply tells the Truth. A Truth that would take down anyones self-deluded beliefs. People that attack John are afraid that they might have to give up their self-created illusions. No one attacks Eckhart Tolle, who speaks of similar things but on a much more basic level than John,why, because he was on Oprah. God forbid you should stray from mainstream. Find out for yourselves. Read what John says on his website, in his book, anywhere you find him. Listen with a sharp mind, eagle eyes, but with the heart of a lamb and you’ll know for yourselves whatever Truth you are prepared to let in. John talks of higher consciousness, Real Meaning, human evolution. He is a deeply sincere, gentle, humble and quiet man. He lets people that don’t have money come to see him for free. He drives a twenty year old vehicle. He deeply loves his children. These are not the actions of a strange individual but rather of a kind, caring, lovely man. I only hope that I can be half the man that he is.

At 3/31/2010 10:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I assume that you were talking about a recent response by myself that appears just above yours and speaks of the von Sass sisters being victims. If this is so then you are wrong. I have known John a long time.

I also once shared your thoughts on the kind of man John was supposed to be. However, you are being conned. John is a con man. And there is a lot of proof if you decide to take a look.

Your language speaks to your level of conviction about the issue, but when you realise that you do not actually know John the way you think you do, you will have a chance to see past what he has done to you. I am sorry that he has conned you, but he did it to all of us.

At the outset I will address some of the "facts" you put out there. I do not mean to imply that you are lying. It is simply that you do not realize.

Firstly about his "20 year old" vehicle. I assume you are talking about his monster truck. Did you realize that he has spent somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100,000 dollars on upgrades for it? (Were you there when he had a crane hoist it over the Oasis centre and levitate it there for a while before putting it back down?)

Regarding allowing people to attend his meetings for free, did you realise that John has increased admission prices consistently over time while his own personal spending has skyrocketed? Have you taken a guess at how many suit jackets he owns? Maybe you should ask him. Expect that he might not answer however. He loves to use that manuever when the answer will not look good for him. Also, be specfic. If you ask him how many suit jackets he has, he may decide that you he mostly owns "sports" jackets rather than "suit" jackets and change the answer accordingly.

Did you realize that this "loving" man has not paid a cent of support to Benita Von Sass? Did you realise that he has sworn an affidavit that they were never in a marriage like relationship? This after explicitly stating that they were married on several occasions. Do you remember her joining him at the back of the stage at the end of almost every meeting? Do you consider it the action of a fair man that he has given her nothing after summarily firing her, and then formally marrying someone new within a month? Is this an "honest" man?

The con in his teachings is that you are always under him and looking to him for the answers. And thus you never see past him. (ever notice how no one really seems to get it but him after all of these years?) His teachings are designed to make you subject to him. He is using true statements to draw people in, and then inserting himself in the middle between you and your heart so that you cannot see him for what he is and so that you will support him.

You are following a man that is, at the very least, a heavily deluded man. I did not want this to be so. Anything but. However, it is the case.

Before you decide to respond, I suggest you take a closer look. And before you take a look, I suggest you honestly ask yourself, are you prepared to actually see? Or is your loyalty to John such that you will not allow yourself to consider anything contrary to your "knowing" of him?

People can change. Even assuming he was at some point true, what if he has sold out? How would you know? Is it not correct that you continually review a person? Especially someone who has so much power over you?

At 5/19/2010 9:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good insight and response. I admit that I do not "know" John, but I have a friend who has fallen for him hook, line and sinker. I feel sad for her and all the others that he has manipulated and conned. I agree with what you said "isn't it interesting that no one is getting it after all these years?". Of course, you can't get it like he gets it, or you would then be able to move on with your life. He wants you forever...this is his LIVING for goodness sakes. Wake up people!!! Open your eyes and ears and just move on...get on with life!

At 6/28/2010 8:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is up to John DeRuiter to love and take care of things? To be the proper Guardian? To bestow the gift of honesty? to be the leader? To bring you what it is you feel you would like to be and what you would like to have? to make you Real?

How can someone steal something that cannot be owned? How can someone tarnish something that cannot be touched? How can someone deceive another when both KNOW what needs to be done in this life and the correct way of doing it...

What were you expecting? Your own heart? Your heart...

your intelligence is best directed towards the author....

an imitation? of who? what is real? ...your voice, if it is real, shares more than personal gains and personal shares what actually is rain, like stone, like mountains, like stars...

Happy Birthday!

At 7/02/2010 10:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I completely agree that John is a con artist. And I hope that Benita and Katrina get the compensation that they deserve.

I also agree with the others here who have said that to find a real life you have to leave John. And yes, I too have known John. I went to many meetings of his.

You learn that what John does is prevent you from really living with his b.s. act. He makes it seem as though he has every little thing under control and that he knows how to handle anything thrown at him at any time. It makes those who follow him believe that they should be the same way. So they concentrate on EVERY little thing going on inside of them. And they lose their lives this way.

What they should see about John is that he is full of it. Take a look at his sworn documents. The man is a liar. Flat out. Also, the tone of what he say This is one screwed up sexaholic. It is apparent that he also treats women like they are his personal property to kick around.

And kick them around he does. Not just his many wives who have all been abused. The oasis centre is run on the 24/7 effort mostly of women. They stay there night after night. And where is he? Off having sex with the ones who arent there maybe?

But it is very hard to get through to the people there. They are indoctrinated. Who ever says, wow am I ever indoctrinated? They dont realize the extent to which they are trapped while they are in it. They will make every excuse for this slime bag. They believe him to be the most loving man....

And even if they were to examine things, he has taught them to be so worried about every little thought and to think that anything that they do wrong is catastrophic that they don't know how to think anymore. They will think - oh well he is just spreading the love - lol. Or oh this is just so that he can learn how to be better. Or oh this is because he is so advanced, we just cant understand.

They forget the fact that decent and responsible behaviour is often very simple and uncompromizing. That makes it easy to see. And behaviour that is not right or in this case flat out deviant can be covered up in a fog of explanations, or no explanations at all. Just that silent stare...

What would have been easy to see is if he had treated the women in his life fairly. Supported them financially. But he has not. He is probably out buying more suits or car parts even now.

John if you read this, please hear me say - go to hell. For those or you from the john group - grow up. Your life is yours and you are wasting it. Stop searching for meaning everywhere. You dont truly live until you take control of your life and make your own decisions and mistakes.

At 10/05/2010 9:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone any insight to Johns new wife? How does she accept Benita's firing just before he married her? What a complete phony he is....unbelievable!

At 11/07/2010 2:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has he already left the wife that he married after dumping the sisters? Who is he sleeping with now? Ugh...why can't people see through this doucebag??

At 11/16/2010 8:18 PM, Blogger MattWilliams said...

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At 11/20/2010 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That recent post by MattWilliams contained information from Benita von Sass' affidavit. Which is publically available if one does a search at the courthouse. Not sure why it was removed. This info should be looked at if you are considering this man's teachings. I would have nothing to do with him personally.

At 12/24/2010 12:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...






At 1/25/2011 2:25 PM, Anonymous Doc said...

Anonymous -
He is still with the wife he married back in early 2010.

She met John in Germany, got divorced a couple years later then moved to Edmonton to join his "flock". She then married him and I believe he's moved in with her, in her home.

At 2/12/2011 1:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was with john for 13 years, at least 9 of them fully fledged johnee...
i have read all the posts and i can say i learned so much that has been a prt of my trip to find peace, his teachings are amazing, if somewhat wordy and gapy and slow!
but i shifted away from him and since then an awakening arose , seeing other teachers, teachers who i dont see as having a power trip. john , i stand not knowing about his antics but i naturally retreated from him. but one huge thing i had to learn when he got with the sisters, 2 lovely girls was that what had touched my own heart thru meeting john was for always and that touch was why i stayed around. all teachers are pointing to what we all are and the students can wake up now if theyve been around him so long. maybe he keeps people TRYING to be perfect, always getting finer as he says x but i love his teachings and his heart. his wife now is lovely. . i dont know about the antics tho i know someone who does and theres loads more than has been said. I dont think hes a nasty bad con man at all. absolutely not true, just because hes awakened doent have to mean he cant be a disfunctioning man too in some areas lol.. hes a human. tho some of his followers maybe say hes beyond that. i dont feel hes a cheat. truth knows truth and i hear some words from him that are so true. i dont listen anymore daily to tapes but i used too. but have never agreed with his being with 2 sisters, so that changed things for e anyway. meant i couldnt make him a perfect guru. i hope this adds some love to the slagging john off .

At 3/08/2011 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

His rambling and babbling (which absolutely makes no sense) reminds me of the Charlie Sheen talk of late. You can't understand what he says because it doesn't make sense. But no one is telling him he doesn't make sense. The interviewers just go along with his nonsensical words.

The way people follow John's every word (which is nonsense) reminds me of the story The Emporer's New Clothes.

At 3/08/2011 9:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My questions on the whole matter are these: How does it all end? Is he a guiding light/force directing "us" towards some critical juncture? Where's the great epiphany that concludes the years of sitting in front of this guy? Will it culminate in serving humanity or a greater good? Will we, with him, overcome a supposed anti-Christ? (I'm using anti-Christ as a generalization, choose your own word...)

At 3/13/2011 6:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read three basic perceptions of John de Ruiter here: 1) that he is a conman; 2) that he is the living truth; 3) that he is a bit of both. The third one seems the closest to the reality of it; the people who have no direct experience of JDR are willing to dismiss him, based on stories they have heard, as a charlatan. The people who are still in thrall to him see him as a holy man, or at least a benevolent and wise teacher with a few personal behavioral quirks that can be overlooked in light of his overall “goodness.” Then there’s the people who were once in thrall to this guy who have been dis-illusioned and broken the guru-spell. Their POV is like that of a rich man who was once poor, or a poor guy who used to be rich (depending on which way you look at it): they understand both points of view so they have a more complete understanding.

The people who never saw JDR and never fell under his spell can’t comprehend those who believe in him as a messiah; and the ones who believe in him blindly are equally dismissive, contemptuous, or pitying of the people who are skeptical. The two camps don’t speak the same language, so only the “deserters” can act as ambassadors between the two reality tunnels. I say, speak up more and bridge that gap!

What you seem to be saying seems to range from, “JDR is a powerfully charismatic conman possibly possessed of supernatural powers – maybe even a psychic vampire of sorts or soul eater”; to, “He was once a true Christ-like being who succumbed to the dark side”; to “he is a basically good and deep guy but he is still wrestling with his demons and unwittingly stringing along a bunch of people and (possibly) exploiting them for his own ends, unconsciously or not. What we can all agree on is that, besides being a bit of a cad with the ladies, no one knows for sure, not even his wives (except the cad part)! Having read through all of the above, I was disappointed there wasn’t less opinion and more testimonials, and (from those who have had experience), more facts! For example:

“i dont know about the antics tho i know someone who does and theres loads more than has been said.”

So why isn’t it being said? If this isn’t the place to reveal what’s being kept hidden, safely under the cloak of anonymity, where is the place? De Ruiter wrote a book called “unveiling reality” for cripe’s sake!

At 3/25/2011 2:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to call de Ruiter a "non duality purveyor" is a falsehood. His teachings are highly dualistic and really a kind of Christianity redux.

Truth and untruth, ok-ness and not-ok-ness, surrender and insistence, hardening vs softening, opening vs. closing, all of which equate with "good and evil" in de ruiter's philosophy.

It's not a big surprise that no one has pointed this out, however, because even his followers don't seem to know what he is talking about. They have just learned to parrot his words. And since they are in a worshipful relationship to to de Ruiter, they seem happy just to soak up his emanations and keep sucking on the teat of "truth" - laced with whatever "distortions" de Ruiter is carrying around.

At 4/16/2011 7:02 PM, Blogger Jasun said...

piece I wrote about JDR and Oasis

also a song:

At 4/21/2011 10:24 AM, Blogger Jasun said...

I have written a book about my experiences with John which includes a rough biography and testimonials of people close to him, as well as a few of his (ex) followers.

I am still looking for perspectives, good, bad, or indifferent, about John, so if anyone would like to contribute, they can contact me at

I won't be sending this to the publishers for a couple more months, at least.



At 6/25/2011 9:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was attending johns meetings before all but a very few. He is certainly something in terms of his ability to work energy. But a bigger piece of slime I do not know. Being able to work with energy does not make you true. But people sure fall hook line and sinker for it.

At 6/30/2011 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went to JOhn's meetings when he first started and was coming to Boulder, Colorado. I agree with the guy who talks about him being an energetic master. He has the ability to create energetic experiences that are so out of the ordinary that folks believe they have to be divine. I experienced some of these experiences with John but I have also had them with many other teachers. Each teacher interprets them differently and for this reason I have been able to analyze the situation from many perspectives. I believe these experiences are simply unpioneered territory....they are the universe undiscovered...I remember once reading an anthropology study of a man who went to a primative tribe...he completely awed the tribe with his projection of a movie upon a screen...they were convinced he was God. We are like the primative tribe....John has simply taped into a science most of us haven't mastered....

At 6/30/2011 2:16 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

I believe these experiences are simply unpioneered territory

Or, they are simply suggested as the result of psychological priming and peoples' need to be seen as worthwhile by the guru. If they have an "amazing" experience, they are more likely to be seen as worthwhile, thus, they unconsciously generate the show with the 100-billion neurons in their head.

At 7/13/2011 4:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Benita and Katrina victims?? Right - grown up women, who knew what they were doing.. maybe just wanted some self importance, and I bet they knew they could make some money from all of this. Did you ever stop to consider that maybe John saw this frame of mind develop in them? Further more - great Indian sages have been known to have more than one partner.. life must play out as it will. Its not about what it looks like on the surface anyway. Why do people assume that in order to be 'spiritual' one must look and live like a pauper. Great Indian texts say that one becomes like a King/Queen when they come into true knowledge - to express the greatness of life 'Shiri' but it is not at all first about all of the material... not to live like a dried up prune. People - look deeper into what reality really is - you are speaking from a level of Maya. Find your own heart - it doesn't matter what John is being - let him be. And you be too.

At 7/14/2011 4:07 PM, Blogger Jasun said...

"I was attending johns meetings before all but a very few. He is certainly something in terms of his ability to work energy. But a bigger piece of slime I do not know. Being able to work with energy does not make you true. But people sure fall hook line and sinker for it."

Anonymous - would you be willing to speak more about this privately, and anonymously? I would VERY much appreciate it. My email is listed in a post above.

At 9/10/2011 7:56 AM, Anonymous duart Maclean said...

I'm not a follower of John DeRuiter, but listening to him speak for 45 minutes it is abundantly clear that he is speaking authentically from his own experience. Those who wish to condemn him are simply revealing their own fears and prejudices. Here is a suggestion. Instead of condemning a man who speaks his views publicly and without attacking anyone, why do you not do the same: share your wisdom without attacking anyone else in the process? Are you able to do this? If not, you should just remain silent and reflect on your own vulnerability.

At 9/13/2011 9:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After 45 minutes you are a better authority than his wife of 18 years or people who have followed him for years?

Are you at all aware how ridiculous your statment is?

At 9/13/2011 9:29 PM, Blogger Jasun said...


I spent two years following JdR and openly sharing my experiences as well as advocating his teachings. When I discovered beyond reasonable doubt that all was not what it seemed, I spent several months investigating - not only my own heart and mind (and his influence on them) but whatever I could find out about him by speaking to people close to him, followers and ex-followers. The end result was a 125,000 word book (currently unpublished) which explores his past, his undeniable messianic delusions, how the group he presides over has all the earmarks of a cult, and just how not-abundantly clear anything at all is about JdR - starting and ending with his authenticity.

So then what? You listen to a 45 minute recording and make a blanket statement that not only dismisses any doubts about him but accuses those who do so of condemnation and attack and tells them to shut up. You obviously think very highly of your powers of discernment, and very poorly of everyone else's. Such arrogance and contempt for others suggests you're a man after JdR's own heart, which would explain your defense of him, based on nothing besides an exaggerated opinion of your ability to discern "authenticity" on 45 minutes of audio or video footage.

Sorry to be so biting, but your post really got my goat.

At 9/28/2011 12:26 PM, Anonymous Jason said...

Note: Duart and I had a friendly discussion about this afterward and he kindly conceded my point.

At 10/01/2011 3:05 AM, Blogger stuart maman bolton said...

mathematically.....0=2+2-4=0...the guy is silently laughing all the way to the bank and staring at all those dollars. For all those seekers here is something for nothing! embrace your life,it is uniquely yours!! but remember you are only good as you behave! peace

At 10/09/2011 7:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just read his FB page where he posts some of his recent quotes during his meetings (I suppose). For the life of me, I cannot understand why people can't see this is just gibberish...his words don't even make sense. Take this quote:

John Quote 26/07/11 “You can have a social conscience, a conscience to propriety, without that being a conscience to real knowledge in your self. While having a conscience in a social situation, a social conscience, you can also have a conscience to real knowledge within the social context, enabling you to be, as awareness, more than what the context provides.”

It's just hogwash. Read more on his FB wall. And his follower's eat it up like he is some God or all-knowing person giving them direction for their life. I just don't get it.

At 10/29/2011 12:08 AM, Blogger Jasun said...

At 12/27/2011 2:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if you all spent so much time with him why don't you start your own cult and make as much money as he does, just blast some lights at people and then tell some words of wisdom you have heard or read before, sleep with as many followers as you can and you too can be happily ever after??? wait I forgot don't make any faces either; He does what he does and you choose what you choose...... so do it or dont do it,follow it or dont follow it, in the end just realize it is all in you to see what you want to see, believe what you want to believe, in the end is all of you who will choose to see him or not see him as long as you understand it is what you want to do. I think it is time for him to start paying back to people who come see him and pay back JBK what they are entitled as the wives/followers they believed they where.

At 12/31/2011 2:31 PM, Blogger grandmaheydude said...

In 1999 I was meditating, and a man appeared to me that had a countenance of such tenderness I have never experienced, but I thought that if there was a man called Jesus, that he would have a tenderness such as this. In 2002, I was inwardly compelled to attend a meeting in Edmonton Canada, and there, in front of me, was the
man who had appeared to me in meditation. I sat with him for four days, (along with several hundred others), and could not really come to an understanding of his way of communicating, but I did have much criticism. At one point, in immense frustration, I sat and opened up to his energy, to find out what was going on inside this man. I have an innate ability to do this, when I wish. Others do, but many do not use this ability. I found within him overwhelming compassion, a loving tenderness and fineness of being. As the meeting continued for several more days, I began to open up to this exquisite energy that that he let flow through him. I realized that this energy was here for all of us, in the opening and letting go of ego mind. In regards to my own personal state of being, I am responsible for that...not John, nor John's actions. I do not need to judge him, nor crucify him....or you. I thank John for allowing that flow to come through him, and show to others what is possible. If you do not understand his words, you do not have "ears to hear"....but you can, if you are willing. This is not surrender to him, but to the pure light of truth...always available, in every moment. I thank John for showing me this. I was led to him for a reason, and I am grateful to him for being the catalyst to this profound awareness. I have not seen John for several years now, and I may or may not see him in the future. Either way it is OK. It seems to be easier for most human beings to criticize and spend time discrediting someone than to just tend the garden of truth within our own souls. Let the light of your soul guide you, spend your time in devotion to it. In quite servitude. It will not yield the bitter fruit of seeds of contention..... but it WILL yield fruit of such divine sweetness, that you will only want to eat of the fruit of this holy garden. Blessings.

At 12/31/2011 2:40 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

Everything you've described, while seemingly pleasant to experience, has as much to do with your own nondual truth as my dead dog's ass.

At 1/24/2012 1:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anybody has had the opportunity to watch Peter Sellers as "Chance the Gardner" you will most definitely see some incredible parallel's between him and JDR. While obviously gifted in reading and absorbing material, he really has no social sense and his teachings amount to nothing more then simplistic attempts to answer something outside of his grasp. I well remember JDR's attempts at lecturing in Bethlehem church. I also remember the utter embarassment of all as he "Wept for the Church". Unfortunately, it's not JDR's fault as to the pedestal he's standing on, it's ours or anyone that gets captured by his dribble and eye contact style monolog that neither engages nor focuses to our needs. Rather, it leads those who choose to attend, enough questions to want to come back and pay more for a free lesson in stupidity. There was a time when you believed in Jesus, there's still time to turn back.

At 1/25/2012 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you find the "nondual truth" to be more real than your dead dog's ass?

At 1/25/2012 6:46 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

It's everywhere you can ever be.

At 1/26/2012 7:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, I'm really tired of having to carry a thesaurus and dictionary around in order to believe. When I read the teachings of these new age messiah's, I can't help but laugh at the nonsense that people seem to need to help them better understand the meaning of life. Belief can be so simplistic but we need to blow it out of understanding in order to feel better about ourselves.

At 2/01/2012 4:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"nondual truth"? WTF! ThaT'S UP YOUR OWN ASS.

At 2/01/2012 9:49 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

Yes, it's up our asses too!

At 2/02/2012 4:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At this point I would like to emphasize, Jody, you do not "know" me. Not in any sense of the word, Biblical or otherwise.

You have not looked up my ass and you have never found the "nondual truth" up any ass because the so-called "nondual truth" is just a concept. It is has no reality.

Referring to your dog's ass, corrupted or otherwise, does not add any reality to the "nondual truth", in fact, it lessens it. Your dog's ass existed but the "nondual truth" never did. It has been a figment of your imagination.

At 2/02/2012 9:02 AM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

That you can't see isn't the arbiter of what does or does not exist, but I'll give that since you don't see, it may as well not exist for you.

At 2/02/2012 11:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's very generous of you, Jody. I might extend the favor to you for things which you do not see. In fact, I am trying.

What's the point of declaring whether a guru is representing the "nondual truth" to those who can't see it nor give a rat's ass about it?

At 2/03/2012 12:20 AM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

There are those who are seeking something they call enlightenment. I believe a key factor in why they don't find it (as it is always present as our ongoing awareness) is due to what they believe about it and the psychological distance that engenders. Gurus who claim to be specially divine because of their purported enlightenment contribute to the psychological distance-making, purely out of the fact that they make the effort to, or allow themselves to be seen as, different, special, extraordinary, etc. In this way, they are either naively shooting themselves in the foot, or are shrewdly leading their marks down a primrose path.

At 2/03/2012 4:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I support demystification and leveling the field, but phrases like "nondual truth" catapult your pitch out of the stadium. WTF! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's the "nondual truth"!

Can't you sex it up a bit? If you do it for gurus like Amma then why can't you do more for your "nondual truth" than employ your dead dog's ass?

At 2/25/2012 8:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have enjoyed reading your website and especially like that there is openess for everyone to express no matter how ridiculous. one thing i have to say is how delightful john de ruiter is and how much i love what he is and what he teaches even if i dont understand it all.

At 5/24/2012 6:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow - almost a year later I return to this web page - only to find more mindless boggle. Still - its good bed time reading. While people are blowing themselves up in the world in the name of truth - and children are starving to death - it's nice to know that some of you have time and patience to indulge in such vital intellectual debate. All the while - some people out there are actually progressing on their realisation of what is the true nature of the self and life.... and John is still either helping people evolve... or not... who knows.

At 5/24/2012 10:10 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

Here's the sum-up: the entirety of DeRuiter's success as a guru is down to the placebo effect and his sociopathy. That isn't saying it doesn't work, just that it's all about the space-daddy role he plays rather than anything he's saying or allegedly doing "energetically."

At 5/27/2012 4:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John de Ruiter is a spineless gutless simpleton much like Chance the gardner from the movie BEING THERE. John talks and talks and say absolutely nothing! In this he is much like many of our politicians who can say nothing of real substance while talking for hours on end. However, this gift of the gab did get him into bed with two sisters whom he seduced. Way to go Johnny boy. How I long for the time when you will meet your maker and try to stare him/her down. You'll be crispy bacon in a split second. I would say get some therapy but that's not what you really need. In order to wake you up someone will finally just have to punch you super hard right in your face and then kick you even harder in the balls! Then maybe you won't be so quiet or say stupid nonsensical things. Then you will feel real pain and REALLY be in touch with your reality :-)

At 6/13/2012 2:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How long can this dude last? From what I understand, there are people who have been "following" John (aka "worshipping") him for 6+ years. Unbelievable. They are searching for something to believe in...and just can't believe in themselves I guess. Does anyone know if he takes the place of God/Jesus in their life?

At 6/23/2012 3:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The answer is: Yes, for many he does take the place of God/Jesus.

At 7/11/2012 2:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those wondering about the "true nature" of this man, just follow the legal proceedings now unfolding. If it walks like a duck...

At 7/22/2012 6:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This man is nothing more than a financial preditor. He preys on people searching for spiritual enlightenment for his own monitary gain. His big thing is to separate his devotees from their families in order to separate them from their money. A true con artist. I'm sure he doesn't believe in judgement day, but I pity this sloth when that day comes for him. I'm not sure what Jesus would do, but I'm willing to bet its not fleecing his followers and bedding their twin daughters.

At 9/12/2012 12:41 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Can anyone give an update about the legal proceedings between the Von Sass sisters and John?

At 12/29/2012 9:33 AM, Anonymous Daniel said...

My opinion. Not completely enlightened. People go through a stage in their spiritual growth where powers and charisma manifest but ego remains. If there was no more ego there would not be money (greed) and sex (lust) involved in this story.

Just a powerful dude and I don't think he can (or really wants) to teach people squat.

There are plenty of honest organizations out there. Don't waste time on this dwindling congregation of the blind leading the blind.

At 5/25/2013 12:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John is that which can be seen only with the eyes of the heart and of the being. Fortunate are those who can see. I have been lucky to be able to see what he is for the last 14 years. Never a deviation from what is pure and clean and true. Not for a moment.

At 6/24/2013 2:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get yours eyes checked.

At 10/14/2013 4:49 PM, Anonymous Pri-Ya said...

It is rather sad to see how you are all lost in misconceptions of the truth due to having spent time around false Guru.

The teaching is given in Silence, does not mean that the Silence is of the mouth; the Silence the sage bestows is Silence of the mind; in other words that is called Grace.

When the sage is in silence, the answers rises in the devotees heart; there are no doubt remaining.

In Satsang the Guru replies all the devotees questions; no doubt remains unanswered. Please do Check Sri Ramana's books, or Sri Papaji's videos or Go see Nanagaru if you trully seek to experience the grace of the masters silence.


You are seeking a Guru; a true Guru will tell you that YOU ARE THAT TROUGH WHICH YOU WOULD SEARCH.The realized master has Authority which is beyond mere repeating the right text of the ancient wisdom and which De Ruiter does not perfectly do any way (at list if he could do that...)

The following is a perfect story to demonstrate the point.

Sri Ramana Maharishi was asked :
“Can anyone get any benefit by repeating sacred syllables (mantras) picked up casually?

To that the Maharishi replied:

“No. He must be competent and initiated in such mantras.” Maharshi illustrated this by the following story: A King visited his Premier in his residence. There he was told that the Premier was engaged in repetition of sacred syllables (japa). The King waited for him and,on meeting him, asked what the japa was. The Premier said that it was the holiest of all, Gayatri. The King desired to be initiated by the Premier. But the Premier confessed his inability to initiate him. Therefore the King learned it from someone else, and meeting the Minister later he repeated the Gayatri and wanted to know if it was right. The Minister said that the mantra was correct, but it was not proper for him to say it. When pressed for an explanation, the Minister called to a page close by and ordered him to take hold of the King.

The order was not obeyed. The order was often repeated, and still not obeyed. The King flew into a rage and ordered the same man to hold the Minister, and it was immediately done. The Minister laughed and said that the incident was the explanation required by the King. “How?”asked the King. The Minister replied, “The orde
r was the same and the executor also, but the authority was different. When I ordered, the effect was nil, whereas, when you ordered, there was immediate effect. Similarly with mantras.”

( Talk 8; Sri Ramana Maharishi)

I hope that help few of you, and do keep in mind, Truth is free; you are THAT; you are love,, you are the Self.

I bless you all to meet a true Authority; I am sure many of you are great souls and true seekers.

Let there be peace and love among all beings of the universe, Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti, OM

At 10/14/2013 4:57 PM, Blogger guruphiliac said...

"When I ordered, the effect was nil, whereas, when you ordered, there was immediate effect."

A fine description of the placebo effect! :)

At 11/23/2013 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know whats happening with the law case that the Von Sass's are pursuing? Is John going to lose the Posh Oasis centre? The whole thing is ridiculous. Its all so hush hush. No one speaks about it.

At 12/22/2013 4:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what Christ would 'think' about all of this..humm. And I'm not saying this as a Christian.

At 2/01/2014 9:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who charges you something like money - for telling you and showing you what YOU ALREADY ARE - isn't that less than good to the core? FREE YOURSELF. I paid enough - its down to you to be what you are and what you know. GROW UP

At 2/19/2014 10:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The man is a beacon of light - his help is priceless. Thank you John. It's not for everyone - but its a free world.... some what.. right.

At 6/03/2015 11:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I listened some of John de Ruiter videos in Youtube 3/june/2015 and i must sadly say, that i got a feeling, that he might not actually be so enlightened as he insists!
The way he speeks about enlightment and stuff, i think easily reveals bits of ignorance to the ear that allready have tasted the real truth.
Things that he says on those videos, do not resonate wery well for me, it sounds a bit more like some new age stuff, i think he has invented his theories by himself, but wery cleverly i must say, he is wery convincing speeker and for a layman it is not possible to understand what is real and what is not. John may believe he is enlightened and he may even be sincere, bu surely does not speak from the true source of emptiness.
I have listened many enlightened teacher's satsangs and such and they all seem to have more Real, clear and coherent message of this subject. There are many wery competent teachers that are truly enlightnend, like many successors of Sri Ramana Maharshi and Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, some like:Francis Lucille, Mooji, Rupert Spira and many many more.
There are allso wery many teachers, that are like Wannabe enlightened persons, who are wery good speekers and it is not easy to see who is false and who is real teacher. If you have any doubt or any bad Fibes of some teacher, take distance imediately, there are suitable teachers allso, go to find some like that, but do not blindly believe anybody, you are the highest authority for you, be a light for youself said Buddha 2000 years ago.
Then there are allso teachers, who really just think they are enlightened or chosen ones, by good or something like that, keep a good distance from that type allso.
So good luck for all seekers, and allways be wery critical for all teachers, since they are not allways what they seem to be at first glance or even at second or third glance.

At 7/24/2015 6:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been studying Johns teaching over the past 15 years. From my experience, I have come to realise that it is very unhealthy after uprooting my life several time to try to join his group. It is a dependancy based teaching, that eventually disempowers you.

At 8/08/2016 5:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question should be asked, did John's sexual "indiscretions" only occur with women?

Did John ever use sex as punishment?

Is John a more or less unwitting pawn for something dark?

If John was sexually abusing people, it would be inappropriate to share details if that would out the victims - perhaps that is the reason no one is talking?

At 4/26/2017 5:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like John is back at it. One of his followers has informed the group that she was asked over to the Guru's house and once there, John and his current wife propositioned her to have sex with John on a regular basis, and informed her that "the calling" had chosen her for this. What's more is that JOhn admitted to this person that the calling has chosen several other women who John regularly has sex with.

As for abusing men as suggested above, John informed this woman that the husbands of these men are required to by okay with this and realize that John comes first.

John was then forced to admit to this group that this is happening. However, he said that he was telling the group this because the time was right, instead of admitting that the truth about him is getting out and he had no choice.

Now it is time for the men who have been forced to sexually submit to him to come out and tell their story.

At 4/26/2017 5:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the letter that was sent....(several parts)

Dear Everyone

I understand that John, at a lunch meeting on the 25th of November opened up regarding his lovemaking with different women in the group in Edmonton. I am so glad that transparency is now an option in the group. Just prior to Johns disclosure, I wrote to John and asked for this disclosure, as I know others have. I deeply resonate with openness between us. As many of you know, I have a deep sense of sister and brotherhood with the group, connected to John and to all, that loves the Truth. A fair amount of people have contacted me because they feel a need to gain clarity. I hope with this letter, to clarify some of the rumors that is going around in the group and, to let everyone know that I am good.

September 2016

John and Leigh Ann invited me to visit them at their house in Edmonton. I joyfully gave thanks for the invitation and arrived at the house on Saturday the 3.Th of September at one pm. The three of us sat down, at the coffee table in the living room and after some time talking about our resent experiences at Nordegg, John said the following. J: " The reason why I have invited you here today, is to tell you that for some years now, the calling has moved me to be with other women sexually and now The calling is moving towards you."

The following 3-4 hours, before I left in a taxi, the three of us talked about what had been put on the table. John and Leigh Ann shared with me that they had been surprised, that the calling had moved towards me, since it was the first time, it moved towards a woman that did not live in the group in Edmonton.

I was sitting in Johns living room and my heart was pumping so hard it felt like it would come out of my chest at any moment. At one level I felt confused and on another level it made sense to me that John and specific women could benefit from this particular experience together, to learn particular lessons. I did my best to ask the questions that I felt was important, to ask in the situation I found myself in. Here is what I remember myself asking. Not necessary in this order. I asked what John making love to other women is for? Is it connected to the deep and Johns reference to "building in the deep"? How long had it been taken place? How many women do you have and can I know who they are? How does Leigh Ann feel about it (the question was to Leigh Ann personally) where would it take place and how? Why have you not opened this up to the group in Edmonton and the world? How would it affect my relationship to another man and can I marry again?

At 4/26/2017 5:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is what I remember John answered me. Again not necessary in this order. J:" A little over 3 years ago I put together a committee of people from the group. They know that the calling is moving in this way." John also talked about how our sexual communion was not tantra and that it would change everything and I would be able to embody all of my awakening in this. John: "The world is not ready for this. People will not understand. I, John, will seem like a cliche. Many in the group in Edmonton is not ready for this. Not everyone will understand. You can have a husband again, but he would have to understand, what we are doing and he would have to agree, that I, John, come first in this. If you agree to this, I want you to, write to me how your sexuality moves. In as many details as possible and as often as you can." John repeated this more than once. I didn't think to ask what the purpose of this is. I was told that if I responded to this, I had to see my doctor and have tests to make sure that I didn't have any sexual diseases.

Before I left, John and Leigh Ann said that If anyone asked me directly, about this, I should not lie directly but be creative with my answers and distract they attention on the subject. That made me feel uncountable. To my question about knowing who the other women is, John shock his head as to say no. I responded spontaneously with: "But to me it would be beautiful. If we all knew who each other is. Like a sisterhood." John nodded his head as to mean yes and then said; "that would be ideal, but not everyone is ready for that." At one point I bursted out "John this goes against everything I stand for." J; " Yes that is because of your goodness self." At another point I said; " I feel quite overwhelmed. I will go back to Denmark and go as deep as I can with it. I don't know when an answer will surface. It could take anything between 2 days to 3 months. I can't know that." John and Leigh Ann seemed understanding about this. I asked to sit with John's hands in mine before leaving and we did.

The following days I realized that a part of me was in a bit of a shock. I know that John and I are deeply connected. I don't know what I had expected when I got the invitation.

At 4/26/2017 5:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Intuitively something felt out of alignment.

I let myself fall gently into the quiet empty reality behind mind. My heart was silent behind all that I have come to know so intimately. As the weeks went by, ) now being back in Denmark) I was shown a perspective, in this, that I still find challenging to put into words and share with you. I knew to say, no thank you, to Johns proposal and I knew to be completely open and authentic with myself and everyone that I spoke to. It was clear to me that this lovemaking, happening in the dark, is out of alignment with innocent authentic presence as I know it.

I wrote my answer and my knowing to Leigh Ann and John. They expressed their surprise and that they didn't understand me but naturally respected my no. With clearly felt very strongly opposed to me being open to others about this issue. During a couple of phone calls I was asked specifically not to talk to anyone about this. John said " Talking to other people about this is not a decent think to do and you have broken an honour code." I did my best to explain that I saw it differently and that I knew to share this openly. John asked me how I could be sure that this was not myself speaking. The answer that came out was " It does not matter John. There is no division any longer inside me. This is what is here." John: " I can't argue with that."

I have not heard from John personally since this conversation.

I am deeply grateful to have meet and connected with John. John has been a big influence in the reflection of my true nature. I continue to awaken on deeper levels, in my body and my life. I have moved through shock, anger and sorrow and joy, in the depths of my heart and being. I am continually being pointed into inquiring into the nature of existence. With newness and freshness, again and again, nature of existence, unfolds with such brilliance and beauty. Inner guidance has moved me to study the phenomena of enlightenment, even in more details than before. I am beginning to comprehend what is being moved, when awakened or/ and enlightened teachers and masters gathers groups around them and also what happens, within the personhood of a non-dual state. Perspective is unfolding in this body mind experience.

Even deeper levels of love to John, myself and everyone of you, to all of existence, continues to be a source of joy in the midst of, what I know in this, is a challenge for most of us. Some will feel deeply hurt but I know of the profound goodness in the natural transformation that follows.

I want to make it absolutely clear, that the reason for my no, to being Johns woman sexually, is that, to me, something is out of alignment in this. It is not about John having more than one woman. I am from Denmark! This is not new to me and I was brought up with free sexuality. Several spiritual teachers and even masters have done this. Some openly, others behind the curtain. No surprise here. It has to be said though, that I really hope, that each and every women, John have approached, in the way he approached me, is equally fairly mentally and psychologically sound, as myself. Otherwise, this Calling of Johns, would suggest a power abuse and then the hole issue is taking on very different dimensions.

At 4/26/2017 5:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Going back to my no, it has very specifically, to do with one thing.
If Johns knowing, how to move in this world, can not move freely and openly and he sees the need to conceal and manipulate the group of people, that is in his care and the rest of the world, something is out of sink. Regardless of how much goodness John transmit, his remark: "The world and the group is not ready for this. I (JDR) will seem like a cliche." For me this point to a perceived conflict, inside John, between the world and his soul group and his Calling. I do not resonate with this. That's it.

This writing came out of the free and spontaneous flow of everything that is. On a personal level, I take full responsibility for communicating this.

At 4/26/2017 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This website talks about the meeting John had with the group:

At 11/28/2017 4:50 PM, Blogger Jasun said...

My book on JDR and Oasis is now out:


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