Tuesday, July 19, 2005

The Amma Clone And Her Kalki

File under: Gurus Clockin' Dollars and The Siddhi of PR

There's another Amma on the rise in India, and she comes equipped with a husband who is supposedly the prophesized Kalki avatar. Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan are the married team of world saviors who have founded Oneness University and are building the awesome Oneness Temple:
The Oneness Temple will influence the morphogenic fields across the globe, elevating man to Enlightenment, an altered state of consciousness, ultimately culminating into "God Realization". Immeasurable Divine Grace of Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan is naturally an awesome wonder.
Naturally. An awesome wonder of human psychology as it is manipulated by belief and expectation.

Add two more of the blinded-by-their-own-glory to the roll call of grandiose pretenders to the world's most greatest savior throne. Whether or not their intentions are good, proclaiming themselves avatars is no different than being a couple of actors and giving themselves Oscar noms. It's a business decision to expand market reach. The more divine they believe you are, the more divine you will appear to be, and this particular Amma and her Bhagavan are working it just like any other Amma and/or Bhagavan.

As long as there are folks looking to be saved, there will be "avatars" out there to save them, usually from their devotees' own bank accounts.

32 Comments:

At 7/21/2005 9:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, I don't think $5,500 (US) is so much to spend for "Guaranteed Enlightenment"!! And, hey!, it only takes 21 days!! Who knew?

 
At 7/21/2005 4:04 PM, Blogger jody said...

Not to fear, the 8000 folk meditating in the "Oneness Temple," paid for by your tuition, will surely guarantee that even if you aren't actually enlightened in 21 days, you'll be carried into the New Age™ on the chants of all the other poor souls duped by these cons.

 
At 10/16/2005 12:18 AM, Blogger arunachalesha said...

we have been around here in this Sri Kalki cult for a long time, and no one in India is getting this enlightenment.

Its a joke that you get it in a 3-day Diksha process (Indians) or the two-week Higher Mahadeeksha process. We only got frustration and despair after a few years of these myths and false promises. And we have lost a LOT of hard-eanred and saved money, donating for this noble cause - all of which goes into you-know-who's pocket.

Each time we were told that the huge donation would clear up karma, or give us immense grace or trigger enlightenment.

I am truly enlightened as to how stupid I was !

 
At 4/24/2006 11:07 AM, Blogger Mrinalya said...

Awesome blog and great writing. You write what I think! I wish I could.

 
At 4/24/2006 11:20 AM, Blogger jody said...

You write what I think! I wish I could.

Join the Guruphiliac discussion and write what you think there.

http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/Guruphiliac

 
At 5/04/2006 11:13 AM, Blogger Mrinalya said...

I have posted on the groups.
thanks,
Preethi

 
At 5/28/2006 12:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an old storey which goes like this :-
The Maha Raja of Trivandrum Built a light house and thought he had done a great job. So he went with his retinue to inagurate the same. afater the inagural speach by the Maha Raja the other speakers eulogised the king and his great achievement. every one was rewarded suitably.
Minister Kunjan Namboodari who was wisest of the lot was observing how the king was being milked and made a fool of.Noticing Namboodaris silence the king asked him WHY NO COMMENT FROM YOU?
NAMBOODARI REPLIED
" light house you built is the seventh wonder of the world now plaese give me also some valuable gift"
so also the modern day swmis milk the gullible public showing them a piece of yoga which can be learnt free in India

 
At 11/27/2006 11:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you have not experienced the Grace of Amma Bhagawan, Pl. SHUT UP.

 
At 11/27/2006 11:52 AM, Blogger jody said...

The "Grace" of I'm a Bhagocon is all in your head.

 
At 4/29/2007 8:09 AM, Anonymous Maria said...

I just received deeksha from someone who came back from the cult. I got it for free, but ugh, I'm so mad at myself. I was just doing some yoga and I got sucked in... Then I got online and found your site. I wish I checked you out first. At least I didn't ante up for it. But I hate to be complicit in those kinds of things. Your site is so great!!

 
At 5/12/2007 4:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Friends….before you say something, please try to explore/test, then you will have a right to comment on any thing. And also don’t take it grantedly of ones words / stories….…Please try first (test)….let it cost something…as a scientist/chemist to do research you have to spend some thing and follow certain rules as per the research topic and then you can publish your experiences (failure/success) provided if you followed every thing very strictly…of course, this is divine kind of research as it is not like our chemistry/physics(science), the ways or rules will differ from our read books in the school/college level, still then we have to follow certain rules very strictly (why I am telling these things, because you may not show complete attention while u want find out these things……it will be funny when u heard first time and is completely mind game with faith)… , I strongly believe, we should not blame any thing/any one in the world with out our own feel/experiences, we are not goats!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok…
Can I ask you one thing…..what is poor? and what is rich? in the world…I believe, it was defined by us…...then what is karma…..Also, can u tell me what is energy transformer in the present world (I mean if we need energy: means to survive, u need food and other needs….how u will get?????? by only spending money…. don’t say that by agriculture or other means…even to get free stuff, u have to spend your energy or investment or capital or money)…that means nothing is free in the world!!!!!!!!!!! so I strongly believe that in the present world, the energy transformer is money (as we know, energy neither be created nor destroyed and only it changes from one form to another form)…… since we r in kali Yuga (if u believe) or modern/western world, don’t say that without money u can get everything free, also don’t expect free things like countryman……pay something, if u want to learn/gain some thing…. If we think honestly, we need money to buy any thing as I said it is one of energy forms….hence, I strongly believe that there is nothing wrong in doing that by Kalki&co (as per Einstein law)……of course I am not expecting you to agree with my argument…..this is up to you…but, I beg you guys, think twice before u make comments……BY YOUNG SCIENTIST

 
At 5/16/2007 10:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear all, divinity is something one can experiece in deep silence. Not in theorising and reasoning. These are two different things. If you want to know the truth, please be sincere in seeking the truth. Please do not get into the words of those who have no understanding and talk too much against. I am writing this out of my 100s of experiences of gace of Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan. Thanks....

 
At 5/16/2007 10:54 AM, Blogger jody said...

divinity is something one can experiece in deep silence.

Yes. You can know the silence within, entirely outside the presence and existence of these twin flimflamming criminals, Kalki and (fake) Amma.

 
At 6/29/2007 7:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know someone who went to India to see these two, and he was disappointed because he paid so much money and only got to see them once from the distance. I think they're bad news.

 
At 7/07/2007 8:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whether or not one is religious , faith can move mountains. Einstein, Newton, Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi...all had strong faith..in their policies and in their people.

Its like being in a relationship...if u dont have faith in your partner..will your relationship last? In a similar fashion you need to have faith in your relationship with Kalki.

Not believing is one thing, demeaning some one is another. Kindly do not go by the experience/statements of others...face it yourself..only after you yourself have given your 100% and go with an open mind shall you be worthy of receiving grace.

You dont have to go to India or pay money...I challenge you to recite the mantra 21 times everyday with sri muruthy infront of u and with a humble and open mind....u WILL receive grace.

 
At 3/31/2008 5:30 PM, Blogger jody said...

Oneness University is one of the most sacred and special places on earth. The teachers are very considerate towards the particpants and the teachings are crystal clear. You can attend the process and ask anything you want, you will get clear answers and you will drop all this prejudice in no-time. Grace is something to be experienced, not something you can intellectuize about. Dumb conversations about money are irrelevant too. You should really dive deeper and interview some people who have actually done the processes at Oneness - You will find that it has changed their lives positively. I don't care how it works, belief, or whatever - it WORKS. It works better than any psychology, therapy or any other means of transformation. Why do you think that people like Anthony Robbins, who has his trip together really well, are getting involved in this? Because it WORKS. Because, the people at Oneness, the founders Sri Kalki Bhagavan and his wife, Sri Amma, are LOVING and WISE.. Because the dasas, the teachers, are incredibly compassionate and dedicated to helping you in your transformation - That is a transformation from your HEAD to your HEART... You can learn to SEE REALITY and EXPERIENCE reality as it is at Oneness University. You learn to fully accept and embrace life and yourself in all aspects. These teachings and experiences are invaluable. You guys who are spending so much energy complaining about the phenomenon, please shut up, or go and check it out for real. After that, you can talk.

I'm publishing this comment as an example of one of two things: either this person has drowned their mind in the Kracki's Kool-Aid and is a completely brainwashed nincompoop, or they are one of the Kracki's brainwashers come to spread a little PR damage control for the crime-boss they are working for.

 
At 4/15/2008 2:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am new to the Deeksha, I have only had one "blessing" and I have to say that I am amazed. I went there completely closed off, not expecting anything (it seemed a little silly to me), and what I experienced has changed me. I have no desire to go and study under a guru or anything drastic. I live by my own conscience, as should we all. But I will continue to recieve the benefits of the Deeksha. I will not put forth any money for energy exchange or schooling or any such thing. But I will continue to do what ever I feel is good for me, no matter where the source comes from. I am far too eclectic to just drop everything for one direction, I enjoy being pulled in many directions, that is how we learn, is it not? Namaste.

 
At 5/11/2008 11:40 AM, Blogger aparna said...

Truth when not experienced remains untruth.Personally what i feel is ,instead of standing in the beach and expressing the views about sea ,just swim ,go deep,experience the water and flow and everything.now come out and try telling...Where energy is not there,people will not come.nature will not respond.Imagine when millions of people are coming and sharing the experience.NO DOGMAS,NO BELIEF SYSTEMS BUT SIMPLY TRANSFORMATIONS.Is the Oneness university not a heaven.PERCEPTION IN A CORRECT WAY IS THE FIRST AND LAST STEP FOR OUR GROWTH.

 
At 4/18/2009 1:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Rag to Riches story! THE REAL SLUM DOG MILLIONARE !

Oneness University! Kalki Bhagavan AmmaBhagavan

Once not very long ago in a small village in south india one economically poor man working as a clerk called vijayakumar married a greedy women called padmini from the village.

They were newly married like many human beings very poor but they both had sex a lot of times as there was not much entertainment in those days in villages in India. In those days televisions and computers were not available in India. Even some villages did not have electricity. So the only entertainment for poor villagers was a disturbance free long dark nights with a full sex. In the process due to sex between Vijayakumar and Padmini , Padmini got pregnant like any other human being. She gave birth to a male child. This boy was named Krishna. Later due to a lot of population in India the Congress Government started educating villagers about contraceptives. And also stared distributing contraceptives in villages.

Realising that their family has expanded padmini wanted her husband to make more money and she pestered her husband vijayakumar everyday.

Well vijayakumar was not a very skilled to start an industry. He was worried with his life and his economic condition as he was not even able to afford to shave his beard. He thought of taking Sanyas and wore a red scarf and yellow robe. Some villagers gave him some coins as they usually do in India for the people those who beg in the name of God.

There clicked the idea and vijayakumar started to spread false info to the illiterate villagers that he has powers and that he is God. Then vijayakumar sat with his close family members and planned slowly and built this money making fraud scheme in the name of GOD. He named himself as KalkiBhagavan and fooled for some time. Seeing that only vijayakumar is getting all the attention his wife padmini got angry and furious and stared to fight with her husband KalkiBhagavan. So Kalki Bhagavan spent sleepless nights and after lot of thought decided to make his wife also as Goddess. Then some Dasas called his wife as Amma as usually they call in India and they both sat together to give darshan to foolish people so they became Amma Bhagavan instead of Kalki Bhagavan.

He and his family fooled so many people and ruined many families in the process. Now the Devils son Krishna Gee is trying to expand this evil empire in various disguises and forms and they are still figuring out various means and ways to protect their ill-gotten wealth - the result is many mansions , many lands , many companies and many illegal ways !!!

This is the story of a slum dog becoming a millionare ! Any fool wants to watch this show go a head and shell out your hard earned money as much as you can and devote your entire life for this slum dog!
They will welcome you with smiling faces and folded hands and say NAMASTE GEEEEE !!!!!
In return you will not even get dog poop!

 
At 9/10/2009 7:25 AM, Blogger ashokha said...

If you are having the following qualifications you are the Kalki. see the table:

Bio data of kalki

Sun zodiac (nostradomus)(english)


Aquarius (jan 21 to feb 18)

Sun zodiac (indian)


Aquarius feb 14 to mar 14(app)

Moon star


Rohini

Moon zodiac


Rishaba (taurus)

For Krishna moon is in Taurus and sun is in Leo. ie:sun is fourth from moon. For Kalki moon is in Taurus and sun in Aquarius. ie: moon is fourth from the sun.

Place of birth (nostradomus)


Peninsula (south india or south africa)

Place of birth


Tambrabarani river bed (tirunelveli,kanyakumari,tuticorin districts)

Day of birth


Thursday

Palce of birth


Shambala village

Caste


Brahmin

Age


Already crossed his fourtees

Time of appearence (nostradomus)


Around 2025

Time of appearence (mayan calender)


2012

Life


Living a middle class life

Movement


No ashram type of developments,sudden appearence,one man army.

Normally the divine men after attaining certain sidhdhies will be sitting under a tree blessing everybody who are crossing them without worryingabout the atrocities in this world. But Kalki’s arrival is not for that. He will have to eradicate everything bad. So he will not doing his meditation now. He will be in the anger of correcting this world.

Father


Vishnujasha

Mother


Sumati

Wife


Padma

Children


Jay and Vijay

Food


Vegetarian

time of appearance (as per puranas)


when the world has lost its morality. but we cannot

fix this date as always world has no morals.(May be my expectation may be high with a high standard scale.)

Extra curricular activities

 
At 11/23/2009 2:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Latest news from Oneness aka Amma Bhagavan movement:
There is a big propaganda going on in India nad abroad that the Monks and Krishna (his son) has left the order to form their own company. Well this is no surprise because he definetly want to show to the world all the money they made, making and will make in future is 'Krishna and team which is seperate from Kalki aka Bhagavan. So that the IRS/Income tax authorities wont question neither the innocent indians aka mostly fools.
Now, people around the world will believe this and have believed (check facebook, making the rounds) all sympathising with bhagavan without knowing that this whole thing is staged. Everybody is in one team but for ousides there is division. Now everybody will go to india and spend hundreds of dollars. Please get real. Awaken your inner higher self and you will get answers.

 
At 1/06/2010 4:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey dude just shutup..wat is that - AMMA & BHAGAVAN - am feeling like laughing, just try to trust one and only super power - THE GOD - but not these people.

 
At 2/26/2010 8:23 PM, Anonymous InAsense said...

2 thoughts...

1. Whether they are what they say or not, the faith from the people in what Amma and Bhgavan represent is beneficial to believers. This being that the believers are able to at least feel fulfilled in their own lives, which is sadly more than most people ever get to experience a feeling of during their lifetime.

2. Judging from the outside is why there are already so many problems in the world. Try it out for yourself, don't like it, move on. Most people that obtain Deeksha blessing are not paying thousands of dollars. It are the ones moved to go to India to become a blessing giver that pay such money. Most people of Hindu religion types visit India to be in presence of their guru etc. It is in my own experience of "Deeksha" that I have seen many people moved to tears without even knowledge of Amma or Bhagavan. One of the happiest people I have met personally was a devotee and blessing giver of theirs.

My firm opinion is life is meant to be experienced and enjoyed fully. If people are doing it in a way that is not harming anyone, why do we have such a problem with it? After all it is someone elses life, not yours.

In my research, I have read books and met people that it has done more good than "bad". The other side of the research is many peoples "opinion" on how "lame" or how it seems like a hoax etc. Maybe. BUT! Still better to give and feel like you receive. If you don't well, why why would you give money to something you don't believe in?

 
At 3/29/2010 8:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

InASense said, hey why not just let people try it, and if it works, let them enjoy it, and if not, move on? Well, I don't think anyone is denying people the right to spend thousands of dollars to be "enlightened." But to me, this cult is a huge waste of human energy, and worse, it is a blasphemy against the true teachings that come of India -- from Great Teachers like Buddha Shankara, Aurobindo, etc. There is nothing in the pseudo-scientific claptrap that the "Kalki" teaches about enlightenment that accords with the Great Teachers and what they say. So you can either accept the commodified version of "enlightenment" as taught by the "Kalki" or what the Great Masters have taught about it -- but not both. I for one will stick with Buddha, et al, and let the dupes and suckers keep throwing their money away on the "Kalki" and his "enlightenment." AND, I will continue to warn people about this huckster...

~Mojo

 
At 12/23/2010 9:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one can promise enlightenment and deliver. The Grace of God is not for sale and , therefore, cannot be bought or sold. I hope these 2 understand the Karma they are taking on. These 2 do not have a special connection with God that YOU don't already have. I hope others considering taking the Oneness Blessing will think twice before they let just anybody tap them on their crown center. I've been to India and had lots of expectations around having a spiritual experience. I left understanding that that experience lives within each of us and it is our path, or not, to do something about it. You can't take a pill or go to someone else to make that happen. As a teacher of the healing arts, it sickens me to see how these people take advantage of other's true desire to obtain a connection with God. Through the Power of the Logos and the Holy Spirit may you all receive a Blessing. LOVE IS THE WAY!

 
At 1/10/2012 3:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

damn it! this movement is the most funny movement i have ever read....i wonder how people comes to fall into such a cult. this is all to get your money. do not believe in such a bastards and the whore. i really ignore this damn, mind freak movement.....if u want u guys can get your asses in. all the best..choice is yours...

 
At 1/10/2012 3:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

damn shut up...

 
At 11/24/2012 4:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a friend why has been deeply involved in this cult for many yeàrs. She is using all her time and money to recruit new followers, and send to expensive courses in India. I have tried to understand what it is all about, but the more I read, the more ridiculous it looks. That man Bhagavan is full of big, completely meaningsless statsmeteorolog. just look at this, there are thousands more examples online. Check for his Weekly teachinhgs and have a laugh!
From http://onenessnordic.ning.com/profiles/blogs/november-11-2012-bhagavan-darshan-with-china

Q3: Dear Sri Bhagavan, I have a good relationship with my father; I respect him very much, but after forty years of effort, I'm not rich. Is that money (only?) problem of the time?

Sri Bhagavan: Your problem is with your birth. We will change it for you and you will become prosperous.

Bla bla bla....
For years, my friend have been longing and paying, for AWAKENING. Thinking that is the ultimate goal. That has ben promised and psykedelisk for. Now, mr Bhagavan is coming up with a new smart idea. Awakening comes in 100 stages, and it needs MORE courses to reach higher level. Clever, as he is noe declaring millions for awakened by the end of 2012. syke the God is getting panic, to lose his income? POOR BRAINWASHED SOULS!!!!

 
At 11/24/2012 4:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry for misprints in my post above., it is automatic corrected to another language. Hope most can be understood. It is important that info is spredd about this mad cult.

 
At 2/13/2013 2:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh ye of little faith...hehehehheheheh....xxxxx

 
At 8/11/2013 3:26 PM, Blogger smita said...

please dont talk about something that you do not know.ammabhagvan are truly avatars and i have faced many mystical experiences and my life has changed for the better after following them.if superstition and blind faith is a crime then overt cynicism and arrogant disregard is a bigger crime
May god forgive you for the splendor of the divine,the madness of love for god has not touched your heart.i pray to amma bhagvan that may the divine touch your parched vaccumed hearts

 
At 8/11/2013 3:36 PM, Blogger Jody Radzik said...

Actually, I know all about the Amma Bhagavan flimflam. The only thing that makes it work is your faith. They are abusing your faith for their profit and enjoyment.

However, this doesn't preclude you benefitting from your belief. The very worst gurus can still provide wonderful opportunities for growth in the right person. The divinity and power lives in the heart of the devotee, not in the wicked mind of the scamming guru.

 

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