Saturday, September 08, 2007

Dera Baba Devotee's Flame Out

File under: Gurus Doin' Time

Four devotees of Dera Sacha Sauda chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh have killed themselves since he landed in hot water after performing the sartorial stunt of the century, which was to simply play dress up as the founder of the Sikh religion. From the sound of it, this latest casualty went out somewhat spectacularly:
A local shopkeeper near the deceased’s house said a burning Prabhjit came screaming out of the house. “We immediately ran towards her to douse the fire, but she fell unconscious...”
Not to make light of the poor girl's misfortune or that of her family, but there are much better reasons to kill yourself than over your grandstanding guru's legal troubles, some of which are perhaps the result of a railroading by the authorities, and all of which are definitely the result of a horrid miscalculation on the Baba's part.

Just kick the fool out of the Punjab and be done with it. He certainly earned that, despite the fact that his fashion crime wouldn't warrant the attention of a minimum wage shopping mall security guard here in the States.

While we don't condone the religious intolerance which flared as a result of the Baba's stunt, he certainly should have seen it coming. If he didn't, he's a tremendous fool who's paying for it now. If he did, he's a failed provocateur and should be happy to get out of this with his skin intact, rather than being immolated as his poor devotee in Bathinda has demonstrated for us this week.

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At 9/08/2007 4:52 PM, Blogger semblance s and orchestra said...

Gurmeet boy does have a fancy for apparels, after all he needs to dress as well and fabulous as he address that brainless but heartful bunch which gatecrash at his ashram every day. But then he dressed up like his guru only and that does not deserve so much dust to be kicked. Unless the guru has become 'god' lately. I hate the sword weilding 'Akal takht' that went berserk for a non-issue like this while the real issues are put in the burner. whathdafuck if some one wish to wear and look like his own guru?? The Akal Takht needs condemnation here, -true to the principle of Guruphiliac-
promoting a 10th guru to some god status.

Cmon jody, figure this point of mine and may it serve you well.
Do you agree that it is ok to wear clothes like one's own guru(a 10th guru in that)? Do you want to tell me that the 10th guru has become god these days? I found it so human and humbling for ram rahim to dress up like his dead guru and was present among his own people.
Most setups that deal with this kinda mass spiritual stuff insist on the disciples wearing clothes just like their founder guru.

Enlighten me jody, i will appreciate ..

Infact Akal Takht waited for this moment of opportune and revenge and pounced on this fela now.
Ram Rahim is a cool and sober dandy in my somewhat smoked vision.
A lot more sober than the entire lot of sardars which weild such dangerous weapons and scremed for his blood. I would not set fire to my well pampered(and much tampered)self even if ram rahim's ass is on fire. Instead i would light up another smoke and watch this world go by...

 
At 9/08/2007 5:01 PM, Blogger jody said...

Enlighten me jody

Fat chance, SS&O.

I think it's bunk he's getting railroaded, but he should have known. You can make it into a human rights issue, as in all humans have the right to dress as they like, but he still should have known.

It may not be right, but that's apparently the way it is in the Punjab right now.

 
At 9/09/2007 7:51 AM, Anonymous Pug said...

There is nothing more despicable on this earth than human beings and religion has become their worst invention. Once the gene for religious fundamentalism and religious self aggrandizement has been isolated, maybe human beings can be inoculated at birth against this terrible psychic disease.

 
At 9/09/2007 8:51 PM, Blogger taman said...

"The Akal Takht needs condemnation here, -true to the principle of Guruphiliac-
promoting a 10th guru to some god status."

Sure does. Badal is playing his games. This is simply politics. Honestly, people like him don't deserve to live. But let me tell you this, he is not the only one, there are many more I would like to see dead rather than alive. (Hint: RSS)

Sometime ago, one of the Indian channels aired badal's video going to dera sacha sauda for votes. This was before all this drama about his wearing a dress happened.

"Do you agree that it is ok to wear clothes like one's own guru(a 10th guru in that)?"
Though the question wasn't pointed at me, I would still like to put forth my views.

Yes, it is okay as long as you know what you are doing and why you are doing.

"Do you want to tell me that the 10th guru has become god these days?"
He sure wasn't/ isn't..whatever.
People have come to believe that the ten gurus were Gods for some stupid reason.

"I found it so human and humbling for ram rahim to dress up like his dead guru and was present among his own people."
It is of course humans. You know why? Because humans make mistakes, not God.
Humbling it is not. Ram rahim is not trying to humble himself by wearing a dress. Instead, he is trying to take advantage of all the respect that people have for Guru Gobind Singh. Now, didn't you say that the tenth guru has become God these days? You probably don't see but ram rahim pretends to be a God and calls himself satguru.

Wearing a dress, least of all, would help him humble himself or kill his ego.

"Most setups that deal with this kinda mass spiritual stuff insist on the disciples wearing clothes just like their founder guru."
That would be another stupid thing that people do in the name of religion.

"Infact Akal Takht waited for this moment of opportune and revenge and pounced on this fela now."
It is not akal takht, it is badal.

"A lot more sober than the entire lot of sardars which weild such dangerous weapons and scremed for his blood."

What in the world do you think the dera followers were doing when all those dangerous sardars were out with the weapons. Were they sitting in their caves doing simran to protect themselves?
F*** no, they were doing the same. In fact, even more.

Bottomline, ram rahim is as guilty as badal is.

 
At 9/10/2007 2:04 AM, Blogger semblance s and orchestra said...

Taman said...Humbling it is not. Ram rahim is not trying to humble himself by wearing a dress. Instead, he is trying to take advantage of all the respect that people have for Guru Gobind Singh.

I think it is a surefire method to use the guru's name and bask in his glory. Like the impersonators of dear ol elvis presley. I heard chicks go crazy for the elvis impersonators (just for that day).
Dera dude dared the same.

Taman said...F*** no, they were doing the same. In fact, even more.

Yea sure. Im aware. They do a lot.
The sardardom actually stripped a woman in public and paraded her in some nameless village in punjab just two days ago. 'Tis one big jungle life out there !

 
At 9/10/2007 10:37 PM, Blogger taman said...

Just so that semblance s and orchestra knows (which he should have, given that he lives in India). It is something to be ashamed of, that people who live in the place where the religion first orginated know nothing of the contributions of the Sikhs to the country, society and all.

And I was getting mad at Jody sometime ago (for posting something that I believe he did unintentionally). Stupid me.

Gobind Singh isn't known for the dresses he wore neither is he known for carrying swords and killing people randomly (the image you have tried to potray). Huh! He is till date known for getting all of his family killed fighting with the moghul kings at that time.
So what exactly was he trying to do? I wonder...

In his literature you will find stuff like: consider all humans as equal, one who calls me God will go to hell.
I guess that doesn't make too much sense to you. Does it? You think Sikhs are just another stupid lot of people who have been handed down swords and they randomly kill people. YOU BETTER NOT MESS WITH THEM. Right?
I am just simply sad. :|

 
At 9/13/2007 2:36 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

Pug said...
There is nothing more despicable on this earth than human beings and religion has become their worst invention

There are twists and turns in the road, but taking the wide view, it's clear that human beings are getting progressively more free-thinking, and less likely to blindly follow religious dogma.

Consider: Moses goes up to a mountain top, then comes down and tells his people that the Lord of the Universe has spoken to him and him alone, so everyone else has to obey the commandments that this invisible Lord gave. According to Moses. Why doubt him; he wouldn't lie, right? And the Children of Israel believe this flim-flam! (I always say... children may be cute, but they're not very bright.)

Flash forward to today in the USA. Most people will say that they believe in God and religious doctrines, but that's meaningless blah-blah. In their actions, where it really counts, almost everyone believes in science and rationality and personal freedom, not dogma.

People may say they trust God, but when they get a pain in their chest, they'll go to a high-tech Western hospital, not church. They may say they believe the Pope is infallible, but when the Holy Father tells them to not use rubbers, they'll treat him as they would a senile uncle.

There will always be a segment of the human population that acts like sheep. But in the grand sweep of history, we move more and more towards rational, non-dogmatic, independent lives.

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/socalled.htm
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

 
At 11/02/2007 8:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ram Rahim is not a Sikh, nor does he accept Guru Gobind Singh as his Guru. He even stated as much in a letter to the akaal takht. unfortunately, mainstream media is promoting that he is a sikh, I don't know why.

bottom line, he tried to gain some advantage out of dressing like the 10th guru, sgpc members protested by burning an effigy, and they were attacked by his goons. that's how it all started.

calling him a sikh when he doesn't even call himself a sikh is absurd, idiotic, and worst of all - disinformation. it's intentionally misleading.

 
At 11/02/2007 8:15 PM, Blogger jody said...

Ram Rahim is not a Sikh

I've never called him one.

 

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