Thursday, October 09, 2008

Big-Time Guluded

File under: The Siddhi of PR

You know what they say when something sounds too good to be true:
Another remarkable fact about this spiritual science experiment is its simplicity, no learning, no prior knowledge and no practice is required at all, and also without spending even a single penny from one’s pocket. It can be performed by any curious and interested person, sitting in any corner of the world, as Guru Siyag induces the spiritual power telepathically.
The plain fact of it all is that it does work—by way of the timeless power of gulusion. Sometimes all it takes is a suggestion that something is going to happen to see the Kundalini Express leave the station. This guy is guaranteed a certain amount of success regardless of what he spouts, as long as he makes the claim he's going to do something to you supernaturally. He just laid the track for those who've got new wheels for the rails, as well every other space-parent addict looking for some more hand-holding.

Good, bad, in a guru, it doesn't really matter, as evidenced above. Bad gurus have worked great for great devotees throughout history. As long as they have your attention and a piece of your faith, they can be projected as the cause of anything you want to give them credit for, or blame them for. It's all because you can accept they have supernatural powers, as this guy would have us to believe.

"Guru" Siyag wants you to be as guluded as he is, and unfortunately for many of us, that's just what the caterwauling inner child ordered.

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At 10/11/2008 4:05 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

Jody wrote...
Good, bad, in a guru, it doesn't really matter, as evidenced above. Bad gurus have worked great for great devotees throughout history. As long as they have your attention and a piece of your faith, they can be projected as the cause of anything you want to give them credit for, or blame them for.

Penn & Teller are wonderful magicians, doing tricks that make it seem like they have special powers. John Edwards is a decent magician too; he does tricks that make people believe he can communicate with the dead.

We can be entertained and amazed by both acts. The difference is that Penn & Teller are honest about their "magic," helping people to understand how it's all dependent on the trickery of our minds (facilitated of course by their skills of showmanship etc). John Edwards is dishonest, and encourages people to really believe that the magic comes from his own special powers.

If you go to a guru for the sake of getting special experiences, it may not matter if the guru is honest and compassionate. Your own belief (facilitated by the guru's skills of showmanship etc) can generate amazing results. All brands of teachers, good or bad, employ an element of "acting" to help induce a response.

But honesty and compassion do make a difference. One type of guru will muddy the waters by encouraging a belief that his special powers are the key. The other type only points the student towards truth, drawing our attention to our own experience.

When someone points at the moon, the finger performs the non-trivial role of inducing us to look for ourselves. But it's delusion to claim that the moon is somehow dependent on the finger.

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

 
At 10/12/2008 8:06 AM, Anonymous ellen said...

I guess we should be grateful that there are a few bastions of sanity still standing.
Nice blog.

 
At 10/12/2008 8:46 PM, Blogger yomamma said...

if we are not separate , then it is completely in the realm of possibility that things like distance healing or communication can happen, there is no distance or separation , that is an illusion. so it's no big deal. it's that people choose to make it special, which just reenforces the illusion of separateness.

 
At 10/12/2008 9:35 PM, Blogger jody said...

if we are not separate, then it is completely in the realm of possibility that things like distance healing or communication can happen

This exceedingly poor logic is at the root of almost all occluding ideas. If all things are one, then there is no distance between things: therefore, stuff can happen to things from a distance.

The fatal flaw here is that all things are NOT one. Things are dependent on their being things to exist separately. Only the oneness is one, not the things in the oneness. In other words, while the oneness includes all, it only includes them in their oneness, not their thinginess. Therefore, there are no things in the oneness, mooting this most basic of new age fallacies, one upon which rests almost ALL the bullshit this blog is raising a stink about.

 
At 10/12/2008 11:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If distance healing possibal becuz of oneness then distant orgasm too should be possibal? I would wanna go after the babe i saw two months ago in mauritius island. She is one honky tonk haunting ho' i want to use this oneness stuff on.

 
At 10/12/2008 11:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous, that distance oneness thing worked big time!

I'm the honky tonk haunting ho' you saw.

Come on over to Mauritius and show me a good time big fella...

 
At 10/13/2008 11:59 AM, Blogger Stuart said...

yomamma said...
if we are not separate , then it is completely in the realm of possibility that things like distance healing or communication can happen

If we start from a blank slate, it'd be perfectly within the realm of possibility that if, say, I directed positive thoughts towards you, it could heal your asthema. Hell, we know that changing my own mental outlook can cure my own asthema, so why not someone else's, perhaps someone living miles away who doesn't even know me?

The "problem" is that even though such remote healing seems possible, when it's been actually tested, we've failed to demonstrate that it actually, in reality, does happen.

I hate that. It's so hard to rely on evidence and rationality and scientific method. I'd much prefer if just imagining posibilites were all that was necessary for healing and helping the world. I'm just not sure that's the case.

It's OK to have some people who just imagine what might be possible. But it's also a vital part of the equation that there are some people who critically test all these ideas, and separate the ones that work from the nice-sounding BS.

Stuart

 
At 10/13/2008 1:24 PM, Anonymous ellen said...

Brilliant results from placebos, all rigorously tested, thats belief working for real--why moon after the impossible?

 
At 10/13/2008 1:59 PM, Blogger yomamma said...

I'm sure anonymous has had many distance orgasms, since that's probably as close as he gets to the real thing! so see i rest my case.jody i can't understand a thing you said , Stuart makes much more sense. but again if no separate self is having all experiences, who knows what's possible?and what has logic got to do with it? logic is a tool , but limited.it's just a program. just because we can't manipulate everything with our minds, and science, doesn't mean other possibilities don't exist. take that intuitive leap.

 

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