Tuesday, March 14, 2006

Guruphiliac Turns One Today!

File under: A Milestone in History

Wow! Today we've reached a major milestone in history. The very first blog that criticizes grandiose gurus from the regard of our interpretation of Advaita Vedanta has just turned one-year-old! That's about the same mental age that some of our readers find us to be. Huzzah!

We'd like to thank all the big time gurus who do more to prevent their devotees' self-realization than all the hookers in Thailand and heroin in Afghanistan. We look forward to continuing to be the South Park of gurudom and bringing you all the latest on how most of those who are purportedly divine are nothing more than ordinary narcissists in the throes of grandiosity and ego inflation; straight-up wackadoos who belong in a mental institution; or just plain, old, ordinary criminal con men and women.

We'd also like to thank the small cadre of assholes [Ed.note: That's a compliment, folks.] who continue to provide information and entertainment in the comments sections of this blog. You can find some really good inside scoop there on some of these over-stuffed buffoons also known as God to the duped and unsuspecting.

In addition, much appreciation is extended to Rick Ross and his CultNews.net, as well as the folks over at ReligionNewsBlog.com. Guruphiliac is heavily indebted to their efforts to report on the activities of the self-importantly religious. Finally, we must also not forget to thank Sarlo and the denizens at GuruRatings, where we cut our teeth and continue to enjoy discourse.

We look ahead to the coming year with vigor and enthusiasm. We hope to show that self-realization is not just the provenance of the allegedly saintly and supposedly divine, but is in fact the common birthright of all humanity, ever present and closer than anyone's own breath, right here and now, as if it were sitting on the tips of their noses.

56 Comments:

At 3/14/2006 12:15 PM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

Jody,

Congratulations, I think. This site gives me lots of good laughs! It's lack of sanctimonius bs (excepting, perhaps some of the fraud-defenders) is a breath of fresh air.

There is a post by J. Krishnamurty by someone named "Dewit" from a couple of posts back. Do you know the source? I asked for it, but didn't see a reply.

Thanks for being a thorn in the side of those who really really deserve it!

Smiles.

 
At 3/14/2006 12:31 PM, Blogger dontbullme said...

Congrats Jody!!!!

 
At 3/14/2006 1:59 PM, Blogger facedog said...

Third congrats, Jody. I agree with otoh except that I have sometimes found equal amounts of sanctimony on the "fraud" attacker side. It's been a source of fun and information for me personally, thanks to all the opinionated assholes who express their opinions here, especially my friend dontbullme!

 
At 3/14/2006 2:13 PM, Blogger jody said...

Thanks, guys.

OTOH, the piece posted by Deewit was Krishnamurti's valedictory as the annointed Head of the "Order of the Star", where he basically told the Theosophists they were full of shit.

It has to be one of the greatest moments of intelligent gurudom in the last 1000 years.

 
At 3/14/2006 2:15 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Bite me, Jody!

 
At 3/14/2006 2:28 PM, Blogger jody said...

Guys, we're obviously in the presence of a mistress of eloquence and a grand example of what subscribing to Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of Living lessons will get you.

 
At 3/14/2006 2:39 PM, Blogger martin said...

good stuff, happy birthday, keep up the good work!

 
At 3/14/2006 3:30 PM, Blogger falseguru said...

I add my congratulations to the others, Jody and friends.

 
At 3/14/2006 4:22 PM, Blogger jacflash said...

Congrats! Long may it continue.

 
At 3/14/2006 4:31 PM, Blogger Bruce said...

Mazel tov, mi amigo -- Jai Ma, Jai Guruji!

Much love -- Bruce

 
At 3/14/2006 11:52 PM, Blogger CRYPAL THE GURU said...

Guruphiliac got a few orgasms when a Marxist lunatic hurled allegations against Ramdev. Ramdev's pharmacy has now been cleared of those charges by a government investigation:

http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1016752

How is Guru Kripal doing these days? Has he learned any Bengali? Or is he using his excellent knowledge of Hebrew to prove that Jesus was gay because he declined the advances of Magdalene?

 
At 3/14/2006 11:57 PM, Blogger CRYPAL THE GURU said...

Incidentally, here is an excellent expose of Kripal, guys. Guru Kripal claimed to have studied Bengali documents, and even earned a PhD on the strength allegeldy of that study, but it runs out that the dude knows as much Bengali as George Bush knows Swahili:

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyag/Home.htm

Kripal was challenged to engage in an open public debate with some Bengali scholars, a challenge that the guru has wisely not accepted so far.

Beats any other guru you know of, eh?

 
At 3/15/2006 6:27 AM, Blogger H.H. Swami Saiexposedananda said...

Happy Birthday, Guruphiliac Jody!

This site is good for a few laughs on the wacky gurus out there, and has been the cause for a few good hours bellylaughing on my side. Keep it coming!

 
At 3/15/2006 9:22 AM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

Jody,

Thanks for posting the J. Krishnamurti source. It's really the most awesome thing I've read vis a vis gurus in a long time. What a world it would be if all gurus did this same thing! I especially like his last statement. Imagine if all gurus cared for a second about that! For those who missed it, here it is again, in a little more readable form than when DeWit posted it with all those odd characters in it:

Truth is a Pathless Land
by J Krishnamurti

We are going to discuss this morning the dissolution of the Order of the Star. Many people will be delighted, and others will be rather sad. It is a question neither for rejoicing nor for sadness, because it is inevitable, as I am going to explain.
You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to the devil, "What did that man pick up?" "He picked up a piece of Truth," said the devil. "That is a very bad business for you, then," said his friend. "Oh, not at all," the devil replied, "I am going to let him organize it."
I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organize a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organize it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallized; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley. If you would attain to the mountain-top you must pass through the valley, climb the steeps, unafraid of the dangerous precipices.
So that is the first reason, from my point of view, why the Order of the Star should be dissolved. In spite of this, you will probably form other Orders, you will continue to belong to other organizations searching for Truth. I do not want to belong to any organization of a spiritual kind, please understand this. I would make use of an organization which would take me to London, for example; this is quite a different kind of organization, merely mechanical, like the post or the telegraph. I would use a motor car or a steamship to travel, these are only physical mechanisms which have nothing whatever to do with spirituality. Again, I maintain that no organization can lead man to spirituality.
If an organization be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness, which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth. So that is another reason why I have decided, as I happen to be the Head of the Order, to dissolve it. No one has persuaded me to this decision.
This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies. Then you will naturally ask me why I go the world over, continually speaking. I will tell you for what reason I do this: not because I desire a following, not because I desire a special group of special disciples. (How men love to be different from their fellow-men, however ridiculous, absurd and trivial their distinctions may be! I do not want to encourage that absurdity.) I have no disciples, no apostles, either on earth or in the realm of spirituality.
Nor is it the lure of money, nor the desire to live a comfortable life, which attracts me. If I wanted to lead a comfortable life I would not come to a Camp or live in a damp country! I am speaking frankly because I want this settled once and for all. I do not want these childish discussions year after year.
One newspaper reporter, who interviewed me, considered it a magnificent act to dissolve an organization in which there were thousands and thousands of members. To him it was a great act because, he said:
What will you do afterwards, how will you live? You will have no following, people will no longer listen to you.” If there are only five people who will listen, who will live, who have their faces turned towards eternity, it will be sufficient. Of what use is it to have thousands who do not understand, who are fully embalmed in prejudice, who do not want the new, but would rather translate the new to suit their own sterile, stagnant selves? If I speak strongly, please do not misunderstand me, it is not through lack of compassion. If you go to a surgeon for an operation, is it not kindness on his part to operate even if he cause you pain? So, in like manner, if I speak straightly, it is not through lack of real affection -- on the contrary.
As I have said, I have only one purpose: to make man free, to urge him towards freedom, to help him to break away from all limitations, for that alone will give him eternal happiness, will give him the unconditioned realization of the self.
Because I am free, unconditioned, whole -- not the part, not the relative, but the whole Truth that is eternal -- I desire those, who seek to understand me to be free; not to follow me, not to make out of me a cage which will become a religion, a sect. Rather should they be free from all fears -- from the fear of religion, from the fear of salvation, from the fear of spirituality, from the fear of love, from the fear of death, from the fear of life itself. As an artist paints a picture because he takes delight in that painting, because it is his self-expression, his glory, his well-being, so I do this and not because I want anything from anyone.
You are accustomed to authority, or to the atmosphere of authority, which you think will lead you to spirituality. You think and hope that another can, by his extraordinary powers -- a miracle -- transport you to this realm of eternal freedom which is Happiness. Your whole outlook on life is based on that authority.
You have listened to me for three years now, without any change taking place except in the few. Now analyze what I am saying, be critical, so that you may understand thoroughly, fundamentally. When you look for an authority to lead you to spirituality, you are bound automatically to build an organization around that authority. By the very creation of that organization, which, you think, will help this authority to lead you to spirituality, you are held in a cage.
If I talk frankly, please remember that I do so, not out of harshness, not out of cruelty, not out of the enthusiasm of my purpose, but because I want you to understand what I am saying. That is the reason why you are here, and it would be a waste of time if I did not explain clearly, decisively, my point of view.
For eighteen years you have been preparing for this event, for the Coming of the World Teacher. For eighteen years you have organized, you have looked for someone who would give a new delight to your hearts and minds, who would transform your whole life, who would give you a new understanding; for someone who would raise you to a new plane of life, who would give you a new encouragement, who would set you free -- and now look what is happening! Consider, reason with yourselves, and discover in what way that belief has made you different -- not with the superficial difference of the wearing of a badge, which is trivial, absurd. In what manner has such a belief swept away all the unessential things of life? That is the only way to judge: in what way are you freer, greater, more dangerous to every Society which is based on the false and the unessential? In what way have the members of this organization of the Star become different?
As I said, you have been preparing for eighteen years for me. I do not care if you believe that I am the World-Teacher or not. That is of very little importance. Since you belong to the organization of the Order of the Star, you have given your sympathy, your energy, acknowledging that Krishnamurti is the World-Teacher -- partially or wholly: wholly for those who are really seeking, only partially for those who are satisfied with their own half-truths.
You have been preparing for eighteen years, and look how many difficulties there are in the way of your understanding, how many complications, how many trivial things. Your prejudices, your fears, your authorities, your churches new and old -- all these, I maintain, are a barrier to understanding. I cannot make myself clearer than this. I do not want you to agree with me, I do not want you to follow me, I want you to understand what I am saying.
This understanding is necessary because your belief has not transformed you but only complicated you, and because you are not willing to face things as they are. You want to have your own gods -- new gods instead of the old, new religions instead of the old, new forms instead of the old -- all equally valueless, all barriers, all limitations, all crutches. Instead of old spiritual distinctions you have new spiritual distinctions, instead of old worships you have new worships. You are all depending for your spirituality on someone else, for your happiness on someone else, for your enlightenment on someone else; and although you have been preparing for me for eighteen years, when I say all these things are unnecessary, when I say that you must put them all away and look within yourselves for the enlightenment, for the glory, for the purification, and for the incorruptibility of the self, not one of you is willing to do it. There may be a few, but very, very few.
So why have an organization?
Why have false, hypocritical people following me, the embodiment of Truth? Please remember that I am not saying something harsh or unkind, but we have reached a situation when you must face things as they are. I said last year that I would not compromise. Very few listened to me then. This year I have made it absolutely clear. I do not know how many thousands throughout the world -- members of the Order -- have been preparing for me for eighteen years, and yet now they are not willing to listen unconditionally, wholly, to what I say.
As I said before, my purpose is to make men unconditionally free, for I maintain that the only spirituality is the incorruptibility of the self which is eternal, is the harmony between reason and love. This is the absolute, unconditioned Truth which is Life itself. I want therefore to set man free, rejoicing as the bird in the clear sky, unburdened, independent, ecstatic in that freedom . And I, for whom you have been preparing for eighteen years, now say that you must be free of all these things, free from your complications, your entanglements. For this you need not have an organization based on spiritual belief. Why have an organization for five or ten people in the world who understand, who are struggling, who have put aside all trivial things? And for the weak people, there can be no organization to help them to find the Truth, because Truth is in everyone; it is not far, it is not near; it is eternally there.
Organizations cannot make you free. No man from outside can make you free; nor can organized worship, nor the immolation of yourselves for a cause, make you free; nor can forming yourselves into an organization, nor throwing yourselves into works, make you free. You use a typewriter to write letters, but you do not put it on an altar and worship it. But that is what you are doing when organizations become your chief concern.
How many members are there in it?” That is the first question I am asked by all newspaper reporters.
How many followers have you? By their number we shall judge whether what you say is true or false.” I do not know how many there are. I am not concerned with that. As I said, if there were even one man who had been set free, that were enough.
Again, you have the idea that only certain people hold the key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one holds it. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self, and in the development and the purification and in the incorruptibility of that self alone is the Kingdom of Eternity.
So you will see how absurd is the whole structure that you have built, looking for external help, depending on others for your comfort, for your happiness, for your strength. These can only be found within yourselves.
You are accustomed to being told how far you have advanced, what is your spiritual status. How childish! Who but yourself can tell you if you are beautiful or ugly within? Who but yourself can tell you if you are incorruptible? You are not serious in these things.
But those who really desire to understand, who are looking to find that which is eternal, without beginning and without an end, will walk together with a greater intensity, will be a danger to everything that is unessential, to unrealities, to shadows. And they will concentrate, they will become the flame, because they understand. Such a body we must create, and that is my purpose. Because of that real understanding there will be true friendship. Because of that true friendship -- which you do not seem to know -- there will be real cooperation on the part of each one. And this not because of authority, not because of salvation, not because of immolation for a cause, but because you really understand, and hence are capable of living in the eternal. This is a greater thing than all pleasure, than all sacrifice.
So these are some of the reasons why, after careful consideration for two years, I have made this decision. It is not from a momentary impulse. I have not been persuaded to it by anyone. I am not persuaded in such things. For two years I have been thinking about this, slowly, carefully, patiently, and I have now decided to disband the Order, as I happen to be its Head. You can form other organizations and expect someone else. With that I am not concerned, nor with creating new cages, new decorations for those cages. My only concern is to set men absolutely, unconditionally free.”

 
At 3/15/2006 2:44 PM, Blogger dontbullme said...

fair_girl = Geraldo Morano = rita

 
At 3/15/2006 3:03 PM, Blogger dontbullme said...

poor_girl is trying to throw some bad light on Jody.....She even opened up a blog on Jody...Thanks for the information, poor_girl..But no thanks...we already read that information except ur drug blog which u started on this monday...

 
At 3/15/2006 4:15 PM, Blogger jacflash said...

Gosh, it's like they're Scientologists or something. They can't respond on the merits so they resort to ad hominem attacks. Lame, unenlightened ad hominem attacks, at that.

They must not realize that this sort of thing effectively confirms the essence, if not necessarily the details, of Jody's work.

 
At 3/15/2006 4:28 PM, Blogger RITA said...

I agree with you about most of fair-girl’s criticisms, but people like you, dontbullme, chuck, and onthotherhand confirm her opinion that this blog is peopled by adolescent boys in a jerk off circle. Good one fair-girl! I'll bet you have you hands in your lap as you read this.

 
At 3/15/2006 4:45 PM, Blogger H.H. Swami Saiexposedananda said...

To be honest I'm very surprised that Gerald 'Joe' Moreno has taken to stalking Jody too. Perhaps Jody has provided the all-important catalyst for Moreno's development into full-blown schizophrenia. Just see how he boasts on his page about having made Jody's list of stalklogs as if it some kind of feather in his cap. What a sad little man, haha.

To think that he is now officially linked with Rasa von Werder says it all for me. :-) I'm curious as to the identity of the drugstore-blog owner though.

That's another reason to thank Jody for his Guruphiliac blogging about all of the nutty gurus out there. If you don't like it, don't read the damn thing! Go away! :-)

 
At 3/15/2006 4:47 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Jody, you haven’t mentioned yet how pompous Krishnamurti sounds when he keeps mentioning that he is the head of the silly sounding “Order of the Star” , also how presumptious that he keeps saying he wants to set men free, not to mention how sexist. Is he claiming some kind of supernatural power? Better also throw in that he had a long standing affair with the wife of a friend and supporter. So his morals weren’t of the highest. But mostly you haven’t said yet what an incredible bore he was as a speaker and writer.

Ontheotherhand seems pretty pompous to me too and a bit of a bore. Maybe he's a reincarnation of Krishnamurti.

 
At 3/15/2006 5:10 PM, Blogger jacflash said...

My response above applies to you as well, Rita dear.

 
At 3/15/2006 5:15 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Funnily enough, it apllies to yourself as well.

 
At 3/15/2006 5:46 PM, Blogger jody said...

Jody, you haven’t mentioned yet how pompous Krishnamurti sounds when he keeps mentioning that he is the head of the silly sounding “Order of the Star”

You don't get it at all, Rita.

Krishnamurti, having been bred and groomed by the Theosophical numbskulls for years to take the world into the NewAge™, gets up to accept the crown of leadership for the whole organization... and instead dissolved the whole enterprise right on the spot.

He rejected and dismantled the Order of the Star instead of becoming its leader. He basically said "fuck you" and erased his own cult before it even got started.

That's Grade A, Number 1 gurudom if you asked me.

 
At 3/15/2006 5:50 PM, Blogger jody said...

Jody, I am suprised you made it this long.

Hey Joe.

Is Rasa going to let you eat her shit for spending so much time and effort in your attempt to deride me?

I hope it tastes good.

 
At 3/15/2006 6:10 PM, Blogger Aditya Namjoshi said...

Dude are you enlightened.

If yes. Cool. Most probably you are not. Your understanding of advaita vedanta is zero. Infact by disrespecting Guru's you are proving is much more. Have you heard of this shloka..I am sure you must not have...Its by Adi Sankara (the recent proponent of advaita)

Advaito Trilokeshu
Na Advaito Gurunasaha

Practice advait in entire trilok.
In front of the guru dont practice advaita.

 
At 3/15/2006 6:23 PM, Blogger jody said...

Dude are you enlightened[?]

It is the easiest thing in the would to say you are enlightened, yet it is impossible to prove to anyone who isn't. This makes answering the question pointless.

My "appropriation" of Advaita as a standard by which to judge gurus is done with no real Sanskrit knowledge and not much study of Sankara outside of his commentaries on some of the Upanishads.

I suppose some would say that makes me a fraudulent proponent.

So be it.

 
At 3/15/2006 7:36 PM, Blogger facedog said...

I don't believe that Rita "didn't get It", Jody. While it was admiral to dissolve the Order of the Star in the way he did, he still made his living as a guru and I have to agree with Rita that this whole passage sounds pretty pompous to me. He does indeed seem to be saying he has some mission and some ability to "set men free". If as Rita says he betrayed a friend, that doesn't sound good either. Generally, I also think he was a boring communicator. He made a good living as a guru without having to do as much of the drudge work.

 
At 3/15/2006 7:46 PM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

Adidtya,

What do you think that sloka means? I assumed it meant something like there is no right or wrong, no dark or light, in reality, but when in front of the guru you should behave as if there were such things. I haven't thought about it lately, but now that you've brought it up, the more I think about it, the less I know what it means. Please post what your take on this is exactly. Thanks. (especially thanks for posting something other than "bite me" or some other trivial insult -- all that gets very boring very quickly).

 
At 3/15/2006 7:54 PM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

facedog,

interesting take on the Krishnamurti piece. It is the first thing I've ever seen by him. Somehow, although I'd heard of him, like most people interested in this subject have, I'd never gotten to any of his writings at all.

Still, I think what he did in disbanding an organization was very different from the gurus I've met (mostly). Are you certain he made his living from being a guru? I don't know much about him at all. Is it possible he had money from his family?

His saying he wants to set men free, for me, means he wants to see them set free. Perhaps it's in the semantics? Even though I think most gurus are crooks and frauds, I still believe there is something called Guru Tattva which functions sometimes through certain people/objects. So perhaps Krishnamurti meant something more like that functioning -- his being used as an instrument where possible, to guide or help others who were sincerely seeking? Again, since I know only this one piece that DeWitt posted (and I reposted because I particularly liked it) I can't say much about him.

 
At 3/15/2006 10:05 PM, Blogger facedog said...

I think it's great that he decided to disband this organization that was born to create a big world wide myth of the world teacher. But he still sounds quite pompous to me. Giving him the benefit of the doubt relative to what he said about setting men free is more than many here have been willing to give other teachers.

On the issue of Rita's "bite me", I think we have been pretty rough on her. She is far from the only one here who has been trivial and insulting. You were also pretty rough on her in places, ontheotherhand. Maybe I was too, I can't remember.

 
At 3/15/2006 10:10 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Facedog, save your condescension for someone who needs it. Bite me facedog!

 
At 3/16/2006 7:16 AM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

Facedog,

I re-read the Krishnamurti piece, and like it even more. It would be great to meet a guru who was actually interested only in the freedom of those he taught. I'd like to read more of him. I don't care that he sounds pompous. At least he isn't misleading anyone as far as I can tell from the one piece.

Well aren't you just the chivalrous fellow! On the "rita issue" as you put it, I have not, nor do I wish to, match her level of immature insult. She went from all syrupy and sweet shock at people critizing her guru to the endless, immature "bite me" mantra.
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

For more on how much she needs you to defend her here, see her March 15 tirade under the Ashram life and Psychadelic Life heading.

 
At 3/16/2006 7:58 AM, Blogger facedog said...

Ontheotherhand,

I had not read her last tirade. You can see what I got for taking her side for a moment. I was initiated with the "bite me" mantra.

Although this is the most readable material I have seen from Krishnamurti and I celebrate his dissolution of the Order of the Star, it sounds to me though that he just wasn't interested in the job that was lined up for him. He was young and he sounds it. Obviously it took courage to do what he did, so that's all I'll say.

Have you read "Living By the Words of Bhagavan"? That is a great book,
real knowledge from a real human being, not an intellectual talkmeister.

 
At 3/16/2006 8:05 AM, Blogger facedog said...

PS

At least when he said these things, Krishnamurti seemed to be holding on to the idea that he really was the long awaited world teacher and based on that authority he was dissolving this organization.

 
At 3/16/2006 12:02 PM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

facedog,

What is the book you are referring to? Who is it by? Is that your guru?

Did Krishnamurti's idea that he was the long-awaited teacher come from his association with the society that was mentioned in an earlier post? Or did he just think that? I got the impression that he dissolved the Order of the Star because he thought it was just more BS for people to get caught up in.

Even though intellectual knowledge can be dry at times, I often enjoy hearing it, and have had wonderful experiences seemingly unrelated to the words themselves. An example would be sitting with Ramesh Balsekar. He talks and talks and talks, and it can seem dry to some, but I found him to be an extraordinary teacher. His pointers, as he calls them, when read in his books, had far less effect on me than sitting with him and hearing exactly the same things. Reading his work did produce a kind of "aha" at times, but sitting with him, hearing the pointers felt like falling into an abyss. Scary but good.

 
At 3/16/2006 12:45 PM, Blogger facedog said...

Living by the Words of Bhagavan is by Anamalli Swami and David Godman. It presents the experiences of a close disciple of Ramana Maharishi, and contains the teachings in the clearest and most accessible manner that I have read. I find this book very inspirational. It also strips some of the storybook presentation away from Ramana Maharishi.

As I understand it Krishnamurti was groomed to be the world teacher but dissolved the organization instead, something that I respect.

I understand what you're saying about the intellectual knowledge. I must have heard thousands of hours of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's talks. There were numbers of time when the surface mind would fall away, so to speak, and a simple awareness would be obvious. A lot of that simple awareness has remained. The impact of Maharishi on me was tremendous and very helpful, despite the drawbacks of his personality and organization. It may be that being around him from a distance helped me so much because I felt devotion and respect for him. Jody may not like this but he had a tremendous energy which impacted many of us. Therefore I have mixed feelings about him.

I know people who feel this way about Ramesh Balsekar, who was recently blasted for sexual impropriety and abuse.

 
At 3/16/2006 3:11 PM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

facedog,

I have read something by Anamali Swami -- something like a biography of Ramana Maharishi. I also like Be As You Are, the talks edited by David Godman. The section on Guru is one of my favorites. I actually love the transcribed talks with Ramana Maharishi. "Big Blue" as I call the big blue book "Talks with Ramana Maharishi" is a longtime fav of mine. I found it bizarre when visiting Tiruvanamali to find people wandering around mumbling "who am I" under their breath. Many of them seemed quite unhinged. But the atmosphere of the place was wowie zowie! Were it not for the terribly hot and dry climate of that place (and some of the strange folks hanging around there) I'd consider living there!

I did hear about Ramesh's behavior with the ladies, and the confrontation at his course in Kovalam. Evidently very unfortunate. I felt bad for his wife and the husbands and boyfriends of the girls he took advantage of. My only objection to his actions were that he used his position of authority and power to get to these women, who would certainly never have been interested in his shriveled up old body if he had not been "The Guru". So I stopped visiting him. Oh well. I still like his teachings, and thank him for the help he did give me at the time.

MMY's organization is the same-old same-old. Get the money. But he did help a lot of people at least get interested in something other than the material universe. For that I am also grateful to him. I think he might actually be senile, but who can know? I've never met him. He was recently (last year?) on Larry King, and made a complete fool of himself, shouting like a loon. I felt sorry for him.

 
At 3/16/2006 3:17 PM, Blogger jody said...

I did hear about Ramesh's behavior with the ladies, and the confrontation at his course in Kovalam.

I wrote about that here.

He was working the guru angle to get the babes. That's fine if it's on the up and up, but not if on the down low, as it was. People were also complaining about Ramesh's people always asking for money, too.

 
At 3/16/2006 6:05 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Like you wouldn't do it if you could, Jody. You listen about as well as every other man-child I have known. This goes for all the other "boys" on this block.

 
At 3/16/2006 6:18 PM, Blogger jody said...

Like you wouldn't do it if you could, Jody.

Oh you betcha' I would.

But it would be totally above the board, I promise.

 
At 3/17/2006 6:53 AM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

Jody,

I heard about the Ramesh business from several people. One told me that a man was standing outside of Ramesh's house with a sign that said "beware the dirty old sage". Hehe. He assumed they were referring to Wayne L. since he was visiting at that time, and has that reputation. Evidently the guy had temporarily or otherwise lost his girlfriend to Ramesh. Then later I was told by people who were at Kovalam about the nasty confrontation. Ramesh apologized with the caveat "I am not the doer". Neat and clean I suppose. I have the same problem with his behaviors as you do -- he snuck around. But in his particular case, imo, he should have just gone to a prostitute (do 90 year old men really do that?) and kept his 80 something year old wife from the embarrassment that followed. He just couldn't help that feeling of power that comes from being the Guru, I guess. The fact that he conducted these "interviews" with these women in his bedroom is degrading for his wife and family. Now this really IS gossip because I was not present, nor do I know any of the women this happened to. So I'd file it under "I heard it through the grapevine".

I did have first hand discomfort about money around him -- his disciples asked for money openly. I freely gave cash directly to Ramesh at the end of visits because I felt like it and I don't regret it in any way. I definitely hated being asked for more from his disciples. Asked to buy books. Asked to buy tapes. Sleazy.

So Jody, when are you going to start charging for people to post here? Haha.

 
At 3/17/2006 10:00 AM, Blogger RITA said...

This is basically a sexist blog site. Although serious topics get introduced, they are never discussed seriously for long. When ladies post here, they are ignored, even when they agree with you. When they don't they are ridiculed and gang humped by the pack of pikinese dogs who guard Jody's ego for him. I have written seriously here about self realization and have been either ignored or misinterpreted. As bad as he may be, you guys make SS look like a prince.

Kalyani, your family memeber who is always running off to SS is just another typical male animal.

 
At 3/17/2006 10:16 AM, Blogger jody said...

When ladies post here, they are ignored, even when they agree with you.

Awww.... are you not getting enough attention, Rita? I'm sorry. Women with cute bodies who believe they have powerful minds deserve so much more, don't they?

Let's not forget to note that is was you who came up with the self-descriptive term "cute body," putting the sexism right back on you, girl.

 
At 3/17/2006 12:09 PM, Blogger ontheotherhand said...

Rita,

I completely agree with you. I found several of your posts to be completely sexist, attacking all men generally. So I guess this is a sexist site. Your comments (made twice) about how cute you are, and how Art of Living ladies are so cute, were also sexist.

For the first time, I completely agree with your assessment. This is a totally sexist site! You have made it so.

 
At 3/17/2006 12:28 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Bite my cute ass, weenie boy!

 
At 3/17/2006 1:12 PM, Blogger RITA said...

You only know how to joke with the "boys", Jody. Everything I have said that wasn't about consciousness was meant to be taken as a joke.

 
At 3/17/2006 1:20 PM, Blogger jody said...

You only know how to joke with the "boys", Jody. Everything I have said that wasn't about consciousness was meant to be taken as a joke.

Really? It came across as somewhat vindictive passive-aggressive judgments to me (and I suspect to others.)

But I guess that's all just my own projection.

 
At 3/17/2006 1:51 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Amazingly enough, you are correct, sir! I'm sure plenty of people feel this way about your own postings. I didn't start off saying all this nonsense. I started off relatively seriously. After being slammed,I just gave tit for tat, so to speak.

 
At 3/17/2006 1:59 PM, Blogger jody said...

Amazingly enough, you are correct, sir!

Even more amazing, that is the exactly the answer I knew you would provide.

 
At 3/17/2006 2:52 PM, Blogger RITA said...

You must be as enlightened as Ramesh then!

 
At 3/18/2006 1:00 AM, Blogger Kalyani said...

Congratulations,Jody!

You have no idea how much you(and others) have lightened me up!!

 
At 3/18/2006 1:27 AM, Blogger Kalyani said...

A special thanks to Ontheotherhand for posting JKrishnamurth's speech in full!

Congratulations once again!

 
At 3/18/2006 9:11 AM, Blogger jody said...

Congratulations,Jody!

Watch out, Kalyani.

Rita is about to call you names and tell you to bite her.

 
At 3/18/2006 11:34 AM, Blogger RITA said...

What a childish statement, Jody!

I will say that it's funny to me how much of Kalyani's objections of Sri Sri revolve around money. I have never seen in my life a more materialistic and money lusting bunch than "middle-class" and wealthy Indians. If Kalyani was on the receiving end of these funds, she would likely think that Lakshmi was blessing her. Meanwhile millions of their fellow country men live in plastic tents next to roadways. It's appaling to me.

If Kalyani doesn't like what I have said, she can bite me!

 
At 3/18/2006 12:12 PM, Blogger jody said...

What a childish statement, Jody!

If Kalyani doesn't like what I have said, she can bite me!

LOL!

 
At 3/18/2006 12:33 PM, Blogger RITA said...

Agreed! But you asked me to do it.
And it doesn't make what I said any less true.

 

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