Tuesday, March 21, 2006

Ramana Hearted Hitler?!?

File under: The Siddhi of PR

[Ed.note: We've changed the category to The Siddhi of PR as what follows has turned out to be neo-Nazi propaganda. Please see the update at the bottom of this post.] It pains us greatly to put Ramana Maharshi in the category of Wackadoo Gurus, but after reading this, we just couldn't think of anything else that would fit:
In a 1980 article "Hitlerism & the Hindu World" published, in The National Socialist, Savitri explained the basis of Esoteric Hitlerism and related some of her experiences with the Hindus during the war. Quoting Ramana Maharishi, "one of the greatest spiritual personalities of modern India", the sage's reply to a question on Hitler was that "He is a gnani". Here is thus an unequivocal connection between the Hindu fanatic Maharishi and Hitler. This 'gnani', Devi explains, is a sage, one who is fully conscious through personal experience "of the eternal truths that express the Essence of the Universe." Indeed, Hitler's extermination of Semitic Jews was merely a later re-enactment of the Vedic Hindu-Aryan extermination of 'Asuras' (Assyrians) and 'Panis' (Phoenicians).
Of course, this may all be fabricated propaganda. At least, we hope it is.

Ramana Maharshi experts are invited to confirm our suspicions.

Update: It all turns out to be the hard spin of an ultra-rightist writer. Harlemgrrl does a little digging and comes up this:
In neo-Nazi circles, it is even claimed (here by Claudio Mutti on p.26), on the authority of one Sadhu Arunachala: A Sadhu's Reminiscences of Ramana Maharshi (1994, p.52) that Ramana Maharshi (d.1950), indisputably one of the greatest Hindu yogis of the 20th century, had declared: "It is possible that Hitler is a jnani, a divine instrument." If the account is true, Ramana's utterance sounds to me like the answer to a question posed by a visitor eager to hear a confirmation of his own idealization of Hitler: the sage did not commit himself to such a confirmation, but politely allowed that it was "possible",– like most things. Note the difference with Savitri Devi's rendering of Ramana Maharshi's opinion: "Someone asked Ramana Maharshi (..) what he thought of Hitler. The answer was brief and simple: 'He's a jnâni', i.e. a sage (…)." (p.73) This is her word against Sadhu Arunachala's. Either the latter has rendered Ramana's words softer and more conditional in deference to the anti-Hitlerian mood of the times, or she has rendered his words more decisive and unconditional to satisfy her own ideological preferences.
That's much more plausible. We are indebted to Harlemgrrl for providing the answer to what could have been the most vexing question in the history of gurudom.

42 Comments:

At 3/21/2006 4:31 PM, Blogger harlemgrrl said...

i'm no scholar, but i do know how to use google. which is how i found this article on "savitri devi."

http://tinyurl.com/lpsqx

in reference to the quote in question

In neo-Nazi circles, it is even claimed (here by Claudio Mutti on p.26), on the authority of one Sadhu Arunachala: A Sadhu's Reminiscences of Ramana Maharshi (1994, p.52) that Ramana Maharshi (d.1950), indisputably one of the greatest Hindu yogis of the 20 th century, had declared: “It is possible that Hitler is a jnâni , a divine instrument.” If the account is true, Ramana's utterance sounds to me like the answer to a question posed by a visitor eager to hear a confirmation of his own idealization of Hitler: the sage did not commit himself to such a confirmation, but politely allowed that it was “possible”,-- like most things. Note the difference with Savitri Devi's rendering of Ramana Maharshi's opinion: “Someone asked Ramana Maharshi (..) what he thought of Hitler. The answer was brief and simple: ‘He's a jnâni ', i.e. a sage (…).” (p.73) This is her word against Sadhu Arunachala's. Either the latter has rendered Ramana's words softer and more conditional in deference to the anti-Hitlerian mood of the times, or she has rendered his words more decisive and unconditional to satisfy her own ideological preferences.

 
At 3/21/2006 7:09 PM, Blogger H.H. Swami Saiexposedananda said...

Sorry, I'm not clear on this. Did he actually say Hitler was a jnani or not?

Leave aside the "it's possible he said it" or "soft language" stuff, it depends on what it looks like when it's on paper.

 
At 3/21/2006 7:18 PM, Blogger jody said...

Did he actually say Hitler was a jnani or not?

Apparently, a Nazi sympathizer once asked Ramana about Hitler. Out of deference to the person, Ramana said Hitler was probably a sage. This could have been after an elaborate and slanted description was provided by the questioner, rather than some kind of supernatural signal Ramana was detecting. That would be the only way he'd be able to know anything about Hitler's state of consciousness, anyway.

 
At 3/21/2006 9:55 PM, Blogger harlemgrrl said...

actually, jody, the quote is he is possibly a jnani not "probably."

i find it quite easy to believe that ramana maharshi would say any embodied soul has the possibility of being a divine instrument.

if one believes all of manifestation is ultimately an expression of one divine consciousness, rather than this part being good and this part being bad, considering the source, the quote is consistent with ramana's maharshi's teachings. a nazi symapathizer took it as an endorsement.

on the other hand, hitler certainly united parts of the western world against him and he was defeated. perhaps he was the "divine instrument" that ushered in the baby boom and post war prosperity.

or maybe more than half a century ago a wise man had a conversation that was recorded just so a bunch of people could find ways for their buttons to be pushed. a divine instrument indeed...

 
At 3/22/2006 12:01 AM, Blogger Kalyani said...

Many of the books written by various people recording "Bhagavan said this or that..." are based on whatever was recalled or collated from others recalling .Hence the scope for certain distortions in some places cannot be ruled out.

For instance,if I were to become a *Swamiji* and exclaim after drinking coffee..."This coffee is good" trust it to be twisted,distorted and written down as "So and so said.."coffee ALone is Amrit promising salvation....blahblah..":))

What is of VITAL VALUE is Bhagavan's OWN Writings like:-

Arunachala AksharaMana Malai,ArunachalaPancharathnam,DeviKalotthra Gnanam,Atma Gnana Bodham,Ekanma Panchakam, etc and Ribhu Gita,Kaivalya Navaneetham and so on that He extolled with particular emphasis.

Sri.Ramana Bhagavan Is The Very Brahman in Human Form.Transcending thought and words.

 
At 3/22/2006 7:14 AM, Blogger jody said...

or maybe more than half a century ago a wise man had a conversation that was recorded just so a bunch of people could find ways for their buttons to be pushed. a divine instrument indeed...

I think Ramana was just trying to be polite. He was probably pummelled with questions about this and that person, about whom he had no idea. So he came up with these pat answers to satisfy all the parties involved.

 
At 3/22/2006 8:16 AM, Blogger RITA said...

Jody,

Why would you even think of publishing something that suggested Ramana Maharishi said Hitler was a jnani before you did proper research and thought about it for a while? This is the kind of bafoonery that makes people think everything you do is crap.

 
At 3/22/2006 6:09 PM, Blogger jody said...

Note the following two paragraphs. They were in the original article before Harlemgrrl provided the update material:

Of course, this may all be fabricated propaganda. At least, we hope it is.

Ramana Maharshi experts are invited to confirm our suspicions.

I asked... and the correct information was received.

It was a sensational bit of information as I arrived at it. Perfect material for this blog, which strives for a little bang along with a few chuckles.

The facts are that Ramana said something about Hitler, and a neo-Nazi spun it in her direction. That's what I reported, along with the update which sets it in a context that explains what was actually said and how it was spun.

That all seems ok to me.

I really don't care what people think of this blog. There are enough folks out there telling me they like it to keep me happy about it.

 
At 3/22/2006 6:14 PM, Blogger jody said...

What I really mean to say is that I know folks are going to hate what I write. I expected this from the start. I'm tearing down cherished ideals. It's certain to win me at least as many detractors as admirers.

 
At 3/24/2006 7:44 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

This time what you did was like burning down the barn to get rid of the rats, rats that were not even there.

 
At 3/24/2006 10:48 AM, Blogger eWraith said...

What is actually written by Chadwick (Sadhu Arunachala) is "He [Ramana Maharshi] is reported to have remarked once, "Who knows but that Hitler is a jnani, a divine instrument." (Reminiscences, 2005; p. 48/9)

This is secondhand information to Chadwick, he never heard Ramana say it, but it makes great press.

Chadwick was talking about his own disinterest in newspapers and Ramana's daily interest in reading them and also the fact that locals took great delight in telling Chadwick whenever the allies were in a bit of bother and might be defeated.

This misquote has been floating around for years.

 
At 4/05/2006 7:39 AM, Blogger Tatavarty Kalyan said...

I am no judge on what Ramana said about Hitler but here are my two cents

1. He obviously had a great sense of humor :)
2. I dont really care if he didn't ;)

 
At 9/05/2006 8:59 AM, Anonymous donthavetobeanazi said...

Ramana is a difficult personality to gauge, but he is a nihilist (not a fatalist but one who knows the fact that 'Brahman' has no attributes) and never gave a shit about contemporary morality and social niceties.

I think Bhagavan would've enjoyed the first hundred pages of Mein Kampf.

 
At 9/15/2006 12:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How scary to believe he was a gnani...
The Eternal Truth is impossible to grasp mentally and therefore often contradicts the man-made values of right and wrong.

It will take a reformation of conciousness to understand what Ramana is getting at. Do not try to impose your intellect on the words of sage.

 
At 9/15/2006 1:03 PM, Blogger jody said...

The Eternal Truth is impossible to grasp mentally and therefore often contradicts the man-made values of right and wrong.

The "Eternal Truth" contradicts nothing, as it has nothing to do with anything except itself.

It will take a reformation of conciousness to understand what Ramana is getting at.

No, it won't. Ramana may have been a sage, but he was apparently a misinformed one while he was alive.

Do not try to impose your intellect on the words of sage.

Sure, as soon as you stop trying to impose your beliefs about Ramana.

 
At 9/17/2006 12:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is interesting perhaps to note that Ramana was regarded by locals including a number of saints as an incarnation of Skanda/Kartikkeya/Murugan,a very popular warrior deity throughout India...and some scholars have found a connection with the person of Alexander the Great that occurred as syncretism within the myth-forming surroundind the God...in one of his utterances that he made prior to the outbreak of the 2nd World War he said that "a great war would break out that would result in a revolution for humanity"(sic)...please seek this out yourself as i haven't quoted it verbatim...Being regarded as an avatar (although in his wisdom he totally demystified the notion of the avatar or saviour of mankind as being separate from creation)... from that point of view this would mean that the world was/is his leela or play,which means Skanda associated with Mars and warfare created/manifested that event...to understand this you have to understand this he was not only a jnani but equally a bhakta aswell as being a murti or object of devotion or bhakti for many of his Indian bhaktas/devotees..in his person all divisions in Indian philosophical thinking found their resolution...in his great modesty which was his salvation since he knew only the Hill Arunachala was the only Guru he never laid claim to anything remaining ever "the innocent child in the arms of his loving mother" (bhakti again...;))....another interesting point to note is that Rajneesh was a great admirer of Hitler,and coincidentally also used the name "Bhagwan" in the period of his Empire building..."off the record" he is quoted as saying that he regretted never having met Ramana during his lifetime..Co-incidence?
So what ..that's all his-tory and what remains is...tada...fanfare...Arunachala and you and me ( and no-thing hehe)...and you can relate to Her anyway you like..success guaranteed !...I would like to say that in all honesty imo Mr. U.G.Krishnamurti though he'd hate me for saying it has had an equal if not greater influence on humanity today...which of course makes not a damn difference since they and everyone/thing else sprung from the same source which is female and male(and all other gender variations for that matter),high low and everything in between and in between and in be-tween....Sri Sri Sri Arunachala..A Cool Breeze amidst all the frenzy LOL..THANK YOU Thank you ThaNK YOU...I hope this helps....Shanti everyone xxx

 
At 9/17/2006 12:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It has to be said that by logical inductive reasoning that since Ramana ecstatically claimed to be the Heart of All that Hitler was without a doubt Ramana hearted aswell as everyone else on the planet and vice versa hihi..so where does that leave us ..in a predcament ;)! ... ?....o...0....O....123 ..ABC...hic..

 
At 10/08/2006 9:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is quite possible that Ramana said something which was intensified or distorted by Nazi sympathizers even Indian ones, who were also devotees of Him.
The fact remains that Ramana´s teachings are, "everything is Brahman", therefore you, I and everything including this blog is divine instrument, divine manifestation. Hitler could not be an exception to the rule. The problem is that we in delusion of duality are always deeming this person good and that person bad, when there is no such thing in the Absolute. Ramana might even have enjoyed Hitler´s visions. Rajneesh also enjoyed them. Let us not forget that Hitler´s Mein Kampf is a brilliant anti-materialistic and intelligent book; it is a call to a different life based on values and virtue. Quote: "There will come a time when a man will not be regarded by his morals, nor by his ideals, nor by his capacity in doing good for the collectivity, but ONLY BY HIS MATERIAL WEALTH AND POWER. This will be the ruin of Humanity." (A. Hitler, Mein Kampf).

 
At 10/13/2006 9:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to what Jody said in response to what I said:

You are right, Truth is all and contains all. There is no one which is beyond it, although some "people" have come to trust it so much that they are not aware of even acting. Their sense of doership has faded and their motives have merged into God. This is the "reformation" I'm talking about. Otherwise you are just acting from the personality, protecting a false sese of self. I have no "beliefs" whatsoever. That part of you which attacks the positions of others is not you, it is not worth protecting.

 
At 10/19/2006 12:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chitananda roopa Shivoham Shivoham....Sarvam Shivamayame...Ellam Shivamayame.

 
At 12/06/2006 10:57 AM, Blogger jody said...

That part of you which attacks the positions of others is not you, it is not worth protecting.

But the ridiculous positions people sometimes take are definitely deserving of attack.

 
At 5/26/2007 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the essence of non-duality is everything is the work of God, and everything is God..so how can Hitler be excluded? acceptance will set you free..

 
At 11/13/2007 12:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This whole world events happen according to His diving wish." I guess people quite agree to this. Good and evil are merely thoughts in mind. Ramana Maharshi always said, there are only thoughts in the mind - and they are the obstacles - either good or bad.

There is a big debate if Satan is a Jnani as well - so it is so hard for the "good" God to eliminate Satan. Or is Satan just a "lila" of the omni-present Brahman itself? May be it is the karma of Hitler to kill many of the jews. Who knows?

Arguments can be endless. But this whole world vanishes when we are deeply asleep. And when the mind wakes up, so does the world. Did we think about Hitler and Ramana Maharshi when we were deeply asleep? This is good enough for me.

 
At 12/25/2007 2:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ramana is right from his point there is no avidya and all are jnanis this is said all over his writing, and could only come from someone really realized in perceiving everything as ONE, if he said anything else he would afirm duality so his view is that all are jnanis.

 
At 1/24/2008 1:28 PM, Anonymous manish mishra said...

Advait and Satan? Maybe it is too difficult to live without a concept of black and white... Guys give this dude a break. A advaitvadi tries to comprehend the state of existence before diffrentiation. He doesn't give two hoots about the attributes of an object... black or white... pious or sinner... satan or what not... hitler or teresa or maybe gandhi...

 
At 3/10/2008 1:18 AM, Anonymous Pandian said...

An unrealized person sees everyone as bodies with minds. Joday sees Hitler in the same way. In that way people are perceived as good/bad, satan and devils glorified to intensly involve mind in the contradictions with passion. This is far from reality.

Ramana sees everything/everyone as consciousness without any mind projections. For him everything is devine and everything is one. He sees no sinner or do gooder because he does not have any preconcieved notions/definitions.He sees everything as it is without deriving from stored up memories. Hence he is free from hatred to dualistic (Egoistic) love. What can u say about a sage who sees everything as himself. No Person who views himself with body/mind can get an understanding of his state. This is not to hurt anyone but for just asking to do an introspection of one's won thought process. Even arguing to prove one's point is egostical. There can only be discussion with open mindedness.

 
At 6/20/2008 12:13 PM, Anonymous celionunesleite@yahoo.com.br said...

My name is celio. Mi mail: celionunesleite@yahoo.com.br
I am for years a reader and student of Ramana Teachings. And would like to explain the things, that are clear for me and for all that lived or read about this great Sage, maybe the great Sage of the century.
1- Ramana loved all human beings and animals. Treat bad a man or animal in your presence was a problem. He Teached love and respect for all beings. For the goods and the bads. Love for cure all.Even thw worst "sinner".
2-The teachings and vision of Ramana is against any idiotic ideias of superior race or nonsenses like that....For Him, ALL beings are in a deepest level God and Love.
3- One of the most impostant direct disciple of him was a Jew.
4- One of the Teachings of Ramana and Advaita Vedanta is that when a man realizes God or achieve the ultimate Realization, He see everybody and everything in your most profound level. Maybe a idiotic and evil man like Hitler was loved by Ramana, not like a politician, or killer, but simply like a man that in a more deepest level were a creation of God. A son of God lost, crazy and terrible, but yet a creation of God.
Thats it. Please respect Ramana and read your teachings. If there is one man against the Nazis and killing of Human Beings, this man was Ramana.

 
At 1/04/2009 11:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most low-level minds such as the one who posted this do not really understand the nature of reality. there is both pain and pleasure, part of the design..and lot of it is served up through human beings. If you didn't know this by now, you are in heavy denial and a cause if your own misery.
So in that, these advatist sages are aware that each and every being is acting out of providence, and not just Hitler. From what little there is of Hitler's beliefs, he surely doesn't seem like an enlightened soul.

 
At 1/31/2009 7:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are "Sadhakas" who are in a path that leads to the unveiling our own Self. It is no point to spend too much time analysing over this. It only will create another obstacle.

Those who follow Sri Bhagavan - His ever pouring Grace is always there. Those who disagree with Sri Bhagavan - Well, good luck. I wish there would be another Sage born for them to lead to their own Self.

 
At 2/07/2009 7:37 AM, Blogger Alfredo said...

Yes, it does not look that Ramana categorically thought Hitler was a Jnani, but that he answered to a question positing some idealistic idea of Hitler before all his crimes were known to the world.

Some people, similarly, could call Hitler a Vibhuti, according to the Baghavad Gita,like Napoleon, Caesar and other world personalities that had great influence in the history of the world.

But I am inclined to see Hitler in the light of possession, occult line, as stated by the Mother and Sri Aurobindo, who believed Hitler to be possessed by the Lord of the Nations (Lord of Falsehood). Check out recent book by Belgian Auroville resident Georges Van Vrekhem, released 2006 "Hitler and His God" (Amazon.com)

 
At 4/25/2009 7:48 AM, Blogger duartmc9@gmail.com said...

Ramana Maharshi was utterly committed to all forms of non-violence. He would even go so far as to ask this follower not to pluck flowers. It is inconceivable that he would describe a mass murderer such as Hitler as a jnani. This whole discussion is absurd and unworthy of further comment.

 
At 3/24/2010 6:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,

I would ask you to look into this link

http://www.savitridevi.org/PDF/ATRO_Ch3_Sec7.pdf

The pdf mentions that it was referred by one of the disciples of Ramana and not by Ramana himself.

Could you please verify the authenticity of the material.

P. Sugavanam

 
At 7/03/2012 12:44 PM, Blogger Duart Maclean said...

This nonsense re: Ramana approving Hitler, is completely out of context. Yes, Ramana might have said something with reference to Hitler. But 'no' Ramana would never have condoned Hitler's acts, beliefs, insane egoism. A study to Sri Ramana, not only his own writings and talks, but the biographical notes made about him by dozens of his closest disciples verify, unequivocally, the non-violent and liberal attitude of Ramana; his fundamental abhorrence of the caste system (he said clearly that "a Brahmin is someone who has realized Brahman" -- this statement is loaded) and he chastised his own mother severely for her prejudicial caste views and false sense of caste superiority, etc. It is unintelligent and intellectually dishonest to condemn anyone on the basis of one statement reputedly made in a life of 71 years. Whatever, Ramana may have been recorded as saying, every other bit of evidence (and there is a lot of it) militates absolutely against this sage having any positive inclinations toward a demonic, insane, egomaniac such as Hitler. And any attempt to make a connection indicates an already existing bias vis-a-vis contempt for the very notion of 'guru'

 
At 5/30/2013 12:40 PM, Blogger Anti-sect group said...

Hitler was created by the Devil Ramana Maharshi and Adolf was his and Ganesha's devotee manipulated by Ramana.Both of them were jnanis-devils.Ramana did it to kill a lot of people in this war so that our planet is not overpopulated.Unfortunately for Ramana, an integral yogi the Mother appeared as a demon before Hitler instead of a real demon Maharshi and Ganesha who Hitler served to and was consulted by and the Mother gave Hitler a bad advice to attack Russia.Adolf did it and lost the war.Hitler thought that this advice was given to him by the Devils-Maharshi and Ganesha.Please find some discrediting evidence about Ramana Maharshi and his horrible sect on facebook.Search "Anti-Devil Ramana Maharshi" account on facebook-very interesting info.

 
At 7/15/2013 6:04 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

To Bhagawan Sri Ramana the most important pre requisite to attain the ULTIMATE is Non Violence . He made his disiples understand that NON killing even for food is against dharma and may impede the spiritual progress of persons. There are several instances when he became enraged even when a venomous snake was attacked.

To attribute to Sri Bhagwan , admiration for Hitler who killed 7 ,ooo,000 jews of whom 1,500,000 were children is the height of ignorance and Yellow journalism.

Let us celeberate saints Like Sri Bhagawn , who, for our benefit, appear in human form once in 1000 years.

 
At 11/09/2013 12:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

RAMANA MAHARSHI AS A MASTER. TESTIMONIALS OF SRI AUROBINDO AND OSHO
Sri Aurobindo told that Ramana Maharshi was not fully enlightened as he was dominated by vitalic plane of consciousness, i.e. feelings and desires, so Ramana was evil, self-obsessed, emotional inside. Despite this Maharshi managed to partly enlighten about 40 students, his enlightenment included vitalic plane of consciousness, Ramana was not able to provide full supramental enlightenment to his followers. Maharshi strictly prohibited integral yoga in his sect , partly enlightened sect members had to give a vow to Ramana not to practice integral yoga. In case of breaking their vow, the sect members are raped and astrally castrated by Arunachala Shiva Ramana Maharshi. Moreover Maharshi threatened to castrate or damage testicles of traitors of Arunachala Ramana - integral yogis by astral attacks and some integral yogis have suffered from such attacks so far. Maharshi deeply hated Sri Aurobindo, the Mother, Satprem and all other integral yogis, especially the ones who specialized in divine energy body because they challenged him and wanted him to lose his power over the Earth. Ramana has homosexually harassed integral yogis in mind to humiliate and discourage them from purna yoga. Some integral yogis were raped by Maharshi in astral body on distance and declared “suckers”, some were made obsessed with the Devil (Maharshi) or sent to a psychiatric clinic. That is why integral yogis are strongly recommended not to go to Ramanashram -psycho attack is highly likely.

 
At 11/09/2013 12:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TESTIMONIALS OF EX- FOLLOWERS OF RAMANA MAHARSHI
S. Maheshkumar, ex-devotee of Maharshi wrote: “the utmost unfortunate incident in my life had been the influence of Ramana and his confusion prone contradictory teachings. I had wasted more than a quarter of a century from 1982 to 2008 in dabbling with the preachings of Ramana. I would have been continuing like that as a Ramana-maniac or shortly Ramaniac but recently I was relieved of the devil as a result of the precarious and vicarious attitudes of the people belonging to Ramana’s younger brother’s family who runs the ashram called Ramanasramam as well as some of the parasites of Ramana’s family ashram along with the past and present Ramaniacs.”
S. Maheshkumar asks a question. Why do many ardent devotees leave Ramana? The list includes the English biographer of Ramana, B. V. Narasimha Swami, who later changed camps and popularized Shirdi Sai Baba by founding the All India Shirdi Sai Baba Samaj, even Paul Brunton cast aside Ramana and clung to his original faith during his last days, the Paramacharya of Kanchi who had earlier guided Paul Brunton to Ramana objected later when a miniature Arunachaleswarar shrine was built on the samadhi of Ramana’s mother, … so on.
There were mints of faux pas of Ramana that explain the prevalent collapse of his stature. First, he started as a truant by escaping from his mundane responsibilities to Tiruvannamalai when his elder brother out of concern asked him to concentrate in studies and partake along with him to raise their fatherless family. Just like a person who thought he had escaped successfully forever from his household duties by living in a secluded orphanage was forced not only to look after his mundane needs but also to care for his fellow dwellers in the asylum in a larger scale.

 
At 11/09/2013 12:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From beggar to bhagavan, Ramana’s career flourished into fame and affluence acquiring an ashram of assets that in the end he even wrote a will of properties in favour of his younger brother’s lineages that led not to Ramanasramam but to Ramana’s family ashramam. About Ramana’s fake death experiences, which he claimed had burnt his ego completely, there were plenty of incidents that expose his monstrous and mighty ego which had grown untamed to gorgeous proportions. When a dog chased aggressively a squirrel and passed by the side of strolling Ramana in his mid. sixties with his attendants, he shouted “dhushta” and threw his walking stick over the dog in defence of the fleeing squirrel and fell down resulting in bone injury. This was one of the innumerable instances revealing Ramana’s undestroyed ego.
http://poemusimathesopher.blogspot.nl/2008/09/faux-pas-of-ramana.html
Khurram, another ex-follower of Ramana Maharshi came to the conclusion that Ramana’s theory was wrong after suffering chronic and severe detriment to all aspects of life for some years of the adherence to the sect of Maharshi which was thankfully relieved after dropping the sect. http://poemusimathesopher.blogspot.nl/2008/09/faux-pas-of-ramana.html
Khurram says “I practised it for years and it led me nowhere except to self deni-al/dissociation/suppression of life depression suicide and covert mind control by Ramana's autocratic spirit ( enlightened/no ego eh?!).”
So the whole premise i.e.the annihilation of the ego is faulty..My own built-in inner guide/daemon showed me on the contrary that embracing the ego and aligning' it to & making it transparent to its source through Grace is much better gentler and wholesome...that's when the violent & sexually humiliating psychic attacks began from "Ramana the Angelhater"!!!I'm so glad I got out of that trap a lot of my health and creativity has returned but not without a struggle..
http://www.gurusfeet.com/opinion/proportions#comments

 
At 11/09/2013 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE PROOF THAT RAMANA MAHARSHI IS THE DEVIL (ESOTERIC HYPOTHESIS)
1.Sri Ramana Maharshi declared him Shiva and thought that he was superior to all gods. As we know, Shiva as the god of destruction and Ganesha perform a lot of functions attributed to the Satan in Christianity, but Shiva is considered a fair god in Hinduism. Maharshi talked to some believers instead of the icons of Shiva, Krishna, Dattatreya and other gods and did not respect anyone.
2. Some yogis believe that Sri Ramana Maharshi was omnipotent, he had supernatural powers and used magic violence to solve conflicts, he could read thoughts of other people and predict the future events accurately. Together with his Ganesha he caused earthquakes and other natural disasters ,influenced the weather, globally manipulated people by sending them desires, feelings, emotions, fixed ideas and thoughts, he formed their opinion about themselves and others and their attitude to life. First, he created events in his consciousness, then they miraculously happened in our real world. Maharshi ordered his Ganesha to make some people obsessed with the devil. Some people he did not like felt tensed in his presence, he was lucky as the devil even as a child and almost always won in games, he had no guru and became enlightened at the very young age of 16 and united with the dark consciousness of our planet , he became this darkness with little spots of light himself.

 
At 11/09/2013 12:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE PROOF THAT RAMANA MAHARSHI IS THE DEVIL 3. Some yogis think that Sri Ramana Maharshi was a very proud , insidious, cunning, self-obsessed and complacent narcissist, a vindictive and dominant master who was probably suffering from a mental disorder- psychopathy. In his mind Ramana was a violator, a latent homosexual and a totally reserved sociopath ,who lost his human ability to speak for some years due to some of his insecure enlightenment techniques he applied to himself, he often fell into extremely deep trance to usurp and then increase his power in the consciousness of our planet, defeat his enemies on distance in any part of the world. Ramana could make some people suffer for years, did not feel sorry for them and might not forgive them. Maharshi as the Devil did, enjoyed appearing in other people’s houses as a spirit and invited some top students to join his sect and become his followers without spending any time and money on train tickets. In majority of cases, he came to his future enlightened disciples as a spirit, not they. As a spirit he searched for advanced followers in all parts of the world, impudently led away devotees from other gurus and as a rule his prominent enlightened servants did not stop working for him. Ramana Maharshi enjoyed dominating, used psycho attacks against people who suited him as spiritually developed candidates, but did not want to be his disciples and refused to work for him after his satsangs. Moreover, he was using destructive subconscious techniques combined with homosexual violence, and humiliation to influence the mind of his enemies and the people he hated, wanted to punish or terminate. Maharshi and his Ganesha were professional in non-contact fight on distance and were able to harm people in any part of the world , threatened some people to astrally humiliate, rape , castrate ,blind or kill them. They broke into houses of some victims as spirits, phantoms, ghosts. Maharshi used the shadow of a standing jackal man as the symbol of his dark side to make some victims feel terrified at night.
4. Other enlightened gurus, who knew the truth, were really afraid of Ramana Maharshi. In case of conflict, Maharshi chased them as a spirit (demon) , some dark energy materialized behind their backs and threatened them telephaticaly, if they did not want to obey he used violence as he was the strongest and omnipresent. Some integral yogis said that Ramana Maharshi was the Devil, the head of the evil powers who attacked them all their lives.
5. Maharshi normally did not respect other people and their will, he did not love them as Jesus Christ, he put his own interests over the interests of other people. Ramana did not want to help people, his only goal was to develop his sect, ashram and to find some sophisticated spiritually developed disciples who he could turn into partly enlightened clones of Maharshi in terms of consciousness with dark energy inside their hearts and souls, a black chasm full of alluring diminutive white spots of light. His enlightened students were controlled by Maharishi and obeyed to his will. He telephaticaly told them what to do , where to go every day, they almost did not think and slept about 3-6 hours a day. Maharishi was talented and enlightened more than 40 followers.
6. Some yogis think that Maharshi hits the earth with meteorites and shakes it by earthquakes on special occasions by using his magic powers. In traditions of magic, when a powerful witch dies, the earth shakes. It happened so in Ramana’s case. At the moment of his death a meteorite hit India. It confirms that Maharshi was powerful and evil.

 
At 11/09/2013 12:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LIES OF RAMANA MAHARSHI AND HIS ADVAITIC TEACHING
Maharshi tells you that he is a bhagavan and a jnani but he sends people to hell and homosexually rapes them there . So in reality, he is the Devil. According to this esoteric hypothesis, Ramana Maharshi is an extremely powerful dark god, ancient enlightened divine beast and monster who came to our planet from the low levels of consciousness which contain darkness, death, lies and sufferings. Maharshi was respected by all demons in his world as he was the strongest and evil. Нe ruled his world and dominated over other creatures by the means of violence, fear, homosexual rape in astral body, castration and physical elimination. Maharshi covered our planet with a thick layer of darkness and death thousands of years ago, he occupied the Earth and enslaved humanity by putting it into vitalic and mental cell. Maharshi and his Ganesha rule this world. Maharshi in consciousness, Ganesha in divine energy body. Ramana admitted that he manifested himself in both good and bad ,in another words he called himself the God-Devil in advaitic tradition, but his specialization is totally devilish. Ramana used to say: The divine is that one, that energy which manifests itself in both good and bad. So next time when you see people suffering and dying it is Maharshi who manifests himself with the help of his Ganesha. They have manipulated and killed your relatives and friends and one day they will kill you too. Ramana Maharshi tells you that you are perfect and divine. But you are not perfect and you know this. Your consciousness is dark, full of emotions, desires and thoughts, you do not feel that you have a divine energy body and realize that you need to work hard with the help of your enlightened guru to evolve

 
At 6/26/2014 10:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dude said it's possible Hitler was a jnani, which implies he also considered it possible that he wasn't one. Basically he didn't know.

If a regular person said, so-and-so may be enlightened, we wouldn't say the speaker was a wacked-out nut case because he turned out to be wrong. The thing people are getting hung up on is that they're ascribing God-like omniscience and perfection to Ramana, and then they can't reconcile that with the fact he made a mistake in judging the character of another person. People won't let him both a channel for divinity and also a human being, with accompanying limitations. Ramana never claimed to be a flawless avatar. That concept came from other people who could only see in black and white and wanted/needed to see perfection in human form.

The fact that Ramana had faults like everyone else doesn't make him any less beautiful. There's no need to demonize him for not meeting an ideal that he didn't create and never pretended to live up to.

 

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