Sunday, January 14, 2007

Mad For Krishna

File under: Deranged Devotees

A Hare Krishna stormtrooper attempts to smash a reform movement within her religion at the 2006 Ratha Yatra in Detroit:

53 Comments:

At 1/15/2007 2:24 AM, Anonymous semblance s and orchestra said...

hmm..she nags but looks quite sexy... I dont mind being nagged that way by a sexy woman.
But the green saree woman that came at the end of video turned me off totally.... hell ... i need to smoke again !

However thats my honest comment!
Even chucky will agree with me !

 
At 1/15/2007 5:53 AM, Anonymous vinny said...

One can just imagine Prabhupada's spontaneous response...

"Rascals!" "Rascals!"

...but which of the parties would he direct this comment to?

;-)

 
At 1/15/2007 9:26 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

I can't recommend enough the book "Monkey on a Stick," which chronicles various scandals of the HK movement.

The Hare Krishna movement is based on pure dualism: the pure spiritual realm of Krishna being distinct from the degraded material world. You'd think that this would at least lead to moral conduct, with devotees striving to keep completely "pure." Yet somehow, it ended up with devotees resorting to deception, thievery, even murder.

The other issue is that (as far as I can understand) the philosophy devalued rationality, science, and drawing conclusions for oneself based on one's own experience; instead, truth was to be found in sacred scriptures and the words of the Master. When the Master died (in 1977), how could it not degenerate into squabbling? Without rationality, how can devotees discriminate between good and bad teachers and teachings? The type of squabbling evident in the video seems inevitable, no?

I dunno. I'm sure it helped many people on the other hand. You find lots of sick people in a hospital, and it's usually not the hospital's fault (though sometimes it is!). The counter-argument is that the movement welcomed the most desperate people in society, and can't be blamed for their bad behavior on the way to being "purified."

My own highly irrelevent story of visiting a Krishna commune in the mid 80s is at

http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/cookie.htm

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/socalled.htm

 
At 1/16/2007 8:02 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

semblance s and orchestra said...
hmm..she nags but looks quite sexy... I dont mind being nagged that way by a sexy woman.

................

Must agree with you. Ass is a little big but otherwise quite cute...

 
At 1/16/2007 8:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stuart said

You find lots of sick people in a hospital, and it's usually not the hospital's fault (though sometimes it is!). The counter-argument is that the movement welcomed the most desperate people in society, and can't be blamed for their bad behavior on the way to being "purified."

...................

One third of all deaths in N America are caused by doctors. Much of time spent in hospitals because of drug interactions...Every group has welcomed the same desperate people, so you can't blame the TMers, those Japanese OM people, or the Mormons, but what about the Rajneshes? They were mainly well to do educated assholes and they tried to poison an entire town?

But the Hare Krishna food is still great!

 
At 1/16/2007 8:09 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

This little gal reminds me of semblance s and orchestra's Momma!

 
At 1/16/2007 9:17 AM, Anonymous durga said...

I didn't even know the krisnas were still around. I have fond memories of their veggie dinners in the incense filled ashram in Boston in the 80's. It was a great place to hang out and meet all sorts of characters.

 
At 1/16/2007 10:38 AM, Anonymous durga said...

Start said: The counter-argument is that the movement welcomed the most desperate people in society, and can't be blamed for their bad behavior on the way to being "purified."

Well, since I am stuck inside due to inclement weather, I might as well comment here.
The hare krishnas are an odd bunch. I remember it was a mix of intelligent but misguided folks and the seriously screwed up. I had an alcoholic housemate once who shared his room with another more advanced alcoholic who he was trying to help. Both were hare krishnas. The more seriously ill one went insane and was eventually murdered in Fenway Park. I think the Hare krishnas were the only place this guy found acceptance.

 
At 1/16/2007 10:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"looks quite sexy...." yuck. You, dude, need to put down your pipe, cause you've lost yer vision!

I'm starting a new religion:

"Save Semblance s and Orchestra's Sight"

 
At 1/16/2007 10:47 AM, Blogger jacflash said...

Durga, me too... I went by there a few times in the early '90s. The food was always great and the conversation at least interesting. I don't know if they're still there.

 
At 1/16/2007 10:48 AM, Blogger jody said...

I'm starting a new religion:

First order of business: give the poor guy a new name!

 
At 1/16/2007 11:30 AM, Anonymous betty said...

jody said...
I'm starting a new religion:

First order of business: give the poor guy a new name!
.............

Let's call him Jackflush!

 
At 1/16/2007 11:33 AM, Blogger jody said...

Let's call him Jackflush!

Err... I was talking about semblance s and orchestra.

 
At 1/16/2007 11:36 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Anonymous said...
"looks quite sexy...." yuck. You, dude, need to put down your pipe, cause you've lost yer vision!

I'm starting a new religion:

"Save Semblance s and Orchestra's Sight"
....................

I got to keep hangin with my dog semblance on this. This little gal ain't that bad. Everybody can't be as good lookin as Durga. Plus she's got plenty of spirit! Like semblance said, we're not talking about the green sari woman, just the little white sari with the red top. Am I right, semblance?

 
At 1/16/2007 12:13 PM, Blogger jacflash said...

Oo, two snarks from Betty! I've really made the Guruphiliac big time now!

 
At 1/16/2007 12:37 PM, Anonymous durga said...

Jacflash said: Durga, me too... I went by there a few times in the early '90s.

the one in Boston?

Chuck said: Everybody can't be as good lookin as Durga.

How do you know what I look like? You been spyin' on me?

 
At 1/16/2007 2:44 PM, Blogger jacflash said...

Durga: yes, Boston, on Comm Ave.

 
At 1/16/2007 2:45 PM, Anonymous semblance s and orchestra said...

ANON said

"looks quite sexy...." yuck. You, dude, need to put down your pipe, cause you've lost yer vision!

I'm starting a new religion:

"Save Semblance s and Orchestra's Sight"

~~~~ hey anon ! you need to have that third eye vision to see a sexy gopi. No ordinary vision or gross eyes will help ! Because krishna consciousness is not so much full in you(hehe !!!) and you are not able to see.

I think very few rare beings have achieved that vision. These days i began to suspect if chucky is one of them ???

 
At 1/16/2007 2:51 PM, Anonymous semblance s and orchestra said...

CHUCKY said

This little gal reminds me of semblance s and orchestra's Momma!

Nah ! My momma was far too sexier than this bit and my momma had more sensible things to do in life !!!

 
At 1/16/2007 8:59 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Stuart said:
One third of all deaths in N America are caused by doctors.


Stuart, I wonder if you are quoting the statistic properly? Some estimates put medical treatment at the third leading cause of deaths in the US.

 
At 1/16/2007 9:22 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Oops, sorry Stuart, the one third of all deaths "quote" wasn't yours at all...

On the most important issue of the thread, I agree the girl is physically cute. But being a Hare Krishna is one of the biggest turn-offs imaginable.

Durga said:
How do you know what I look like? You been spyin' on me?


If you were a hag, betty wouldn't be so hostile. We trust woman's intuition, if not our own. :)

 
At 1/17/2007 8:12 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

semblance s and orchestra said...

Nah ! My momma was far too sexier than this bit...

..........

NOW I KNOW YOU BEEN SMOKIN TOO MUCH POT, MY FRIEND! I'M WORRIED ABOUT YOU, DOG!

.................

TheBlade said...
Oops, sorry Stuart, the one third of all deaths "quote" wasn't yours at all...

NEITHER WAS THE ONE WHERE YOU SAY BETTY COMMENTED ON DURGA BEIN GOOD LOOKIN. THAT WAS ME! BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HANGING AROUND THIS BLOG FOR A YEAR OR SO, I THINK, SOAKIN UP THE VIBES AND DOIN THE SADHANA RECOMMENDED BY JODY, I'VE BEGUN TO SEE THINGS FROM A DISTANCE. I'M PRETTY SURE I'M SEEIN DURGA IN AUSTIN ALL THE WAY FROM THE DIME BOX, TEXAS AREA:

I'M SEEING DURGA BEING AROUND 39-40 YEARS OF AGE, APPROX 127 POUNDS, 5 FOOT 7 ½ INCHES TALL; HAIR IS LIGHTER BROWN WITH SOME BLONDE AND RED HIGH LIGHTS; DRIVES A SUBARU; HASN'T MET HER FINAL LIFE MATE YET, BUT WHEN SHE DOES HE WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF CONNECTION TO THE AREA BETWEEN BASTROP AND LA GRANGE, TEXAS.

MY GUIDES ARE TELLING ME THAT DURGA OUGHT TO STAY CLEAR OF BETTY, BLADE, AND SEMBLANCE, BUT JODY COULD BE A REAL FRIEND IN TIME.

THAT’S ALL I CAN SEE AT THIS TIME!

.............

blade said
But being a Hare Krishna is one of the biggest turn-offs imaginable.

...................

BLADE, DON'T BE SO QUICK TO DISMISS THE LITTLE HARE KRISHNA GIRL. YOU HAVEN'T LIVED UNTIL YOU'VE LOVED SOME KIND OF FUNDEMENTALIST!

THE BIGGEST TURN OFF I CAN IMAGINE IS YOUR PASTY WHITE NEW YORK CITY BACK SIDE!

 
At 1/17/2007 10:04 AM, Anonymous Betty said...

blade said

If you were a hag, betty wouldn't be so hostile. We trust woman's intuition, if not our own. :)

..............

Bite me, blade! Bite my intuition!
...............

chuck said

MY GUIDES ARE TELLING ME THAT DURGA OUGHT TO STAY CLEAR OF BETTY...

...............

Bite me chuck! You are a joke as a psychic.

................

 
At 1/17/2007 11:47 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Betty said

Bite me chuck! You are a joke as a psychic.

.............


Thanks, Betty!

 
At 1/17/2007 12:21 PM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said "MY GUIDES ARE TELLING ME THAT DURGA OUGHT TO STAY CLEAR OF BETTY, BLADE, AND SEMBLANCE, BUT JODY COULD BE A REAL FRIEND IN TIME. "

Thanks for the compliment, Chuck, but I think I probably drove Jody off with my last comment.
fyi : you are a little bit off in weight and height and hair color, but I commend you on our newly found psychic abilities. I did drive through La Grange and bastrop recently. Maybe you "energetically" sensed my presence. In Lagrange, it's possible I met my soul mate but didn't know it in Mikescu's barbeque joint.

 
At 1/17/2007 1:36 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Dear Chuckie-duckie,

I know well Betty didn't say Durga was cute. She would never do that! My point is, that Betty wouldn't be so hostile to Durga if she didn't think Durga was cute. Get it? She would never describe Durga as "man-pleasing" in a pejorative fashion if she did not suspect Durga to be man-pleasing in a good sense of the word. Right?

 
At 1/17/2007 1:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That video gave me a good laugh, and almost got me to spit my decaf coffee over my monitor.

It looks like a wildebeest migration and a discovery channel cameraman focusing in on a very odd mating game between two of the desperate animals.

 
At 1/17/2007 1:55 PM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Durga said,

I met my soul mate but didn't know it in Mikescu's barbeque joint.
............

You know Durga that Smithville is between Bastrop and La Grange and used to have a great little barbeque joint too. I'm getting that that may be the place!

So I was little bit off in weight and height and hair color, but pretty close otherwise! The main thing is the soul mate and you've got some new guidance on that. Let me know how it comes out!

Believe me when I tell you that I wish you the very best!

 
At 1/17/2007 2:02 PM, Blogger CHUCK said...

TheBlade said...
Dear Chuckie-duckie,

I know well Betty didn't say Durga was cute. She would never do that! Get it? She would never describe Durga as "man-pleasing" in a pejorative fashion...
............

Blade, I have no idea what goes on in Betty's mind. My guides are telling me just to stay away from there! But they also told me to tell Durga to stay clear of you. That surprised me because you strike me as being a pretty decent guy for a yankee haloi.

 
At 1/17/2007 2:58 PM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said:
You know Durga that Smithville is between Bastrop and La Grange

Chuck, I'd get in my car, which is not a suburu, and go there today, but the roads are kind of icy.
I'll look for the place next road trip to test out your prophecy, but the problem is, I don't eat meat any more, so they better have good cole slaw.

 
At 1/17/2007 4:05 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

Oh, yeah, I did have another encounter with the Krishnas, in the mid- or late-80s, at their San Francisco restaurant/temple, at the tail end of an acid trip (mine, not theirs).

I wrote a letter about the experience, transcribed here:

http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/lsd.htm

Stuart

 
At 1/17/2007 4:07 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Chuck said:
But they also told me to tell Durga to stay clear of you. That surprised me because you strike me as being a pretty decent guy for a yankee haloi.


Well, chucky, maybe your spirit-guides told Durga to stay clear of me for my sake, not hers, because I just found out that she is from a City O' Sin, although she uses the best euphamism I have ever heard for such a thing "place where the Dionysian Ethic is predominant", which places her as a bright, though somewhat geeky girl from a city of sin! Who wants that! Not a holy boy like me. I'd take the Hare Krishna dudette first and spare myself the flames o' hell!

 
At 1/17/2007 4:31 PM, Anonymous durga said...

Blade said: Well, chucky, maybe your spirit-guides told Durga to stay clear of me for my sake, not hers, because I just found out that she is from a City O' Sin,

Now you got me pegged Blade. Mistress of darkness, come to corrupt your soul.

 
At 1/17/2007 10:28 PM, Anonymous semblance s and orchestra said...

chuck said

"MY GUIDES ARE TELLING ME THAT DURGA OUGHT TO STAY CLEAR OF BETTY, BLADE, AND SEMBLANCE, BUT JODY COULD BE A REAL FRIEND IN TIME. "

~~~~ Chucky ! you began to exploit a woman...

 
At 1/18/2007 8:02 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Blade said,


Well, chucky, maybe your spirit-guides told Durga to stay clear of me for my sake, not hers, because...

...................

You may very well be right, Blade. It may be that my grandmother and grandfather spirits were speaking to and for you, not Durga. Do you drive a Suburu, stand 5'7", weigh about 127, have light brown hair with red and gold highlights? If so, your soul mate is waiting for you at the Broken Wheel Cafe, on the square in Smithville, Texas!

Or this whole thing could be a deception on Durga's part. She may be trying to take my psychic sword and shield, like the little Hare Krishna girl in this film was doing.

 
At 1/18/2007 1:07 PM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said: Or this whole thing could be a deception on Durga's part. She may be trying to take my psychic sword and shield, like the little Hare Krishna girl in this film was doing.

No deception on the part of this little "geek". I am not a psychic vampire. However, I think I'll do some voodoo on Blade (just kidding blade- and thanks for the compliments. I've aspired for a long time to become a geek and I think I may have finally achieved that status on this blog).

 
At 1/18/2007 5:17 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Durga said: and thanks for the compliments. I've aspired for a long time to become a geek

It is indeed a high compliment, Durga! A little geekiness can be a very sexy thing in a woman.

 
At 1/19/2007 9:34 AM, Anonymous betty said...

TheBlade said...
Durga said: and thanks for the compliments. I've aspired for a long time to become a geek

It is indeed a high compliment, Durga! A little geekiness can be a very sexy thing in a woman.
.........................

BLADE, YOU HAVE SURPASSED YOURSELF WITH AN AMAZING DISPLAY OF CONDESCENSION!

 
At 1/19/2007 9:55 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

durga said...
No deception on the part of this little "geek". I am not a psychic vampire.
.........................

My guides agree with you Durga. Sorry to have doubted you. I'm just trying to understand the misimformation. It could be that the Blade is really a 5'7" woman but it's going to be hell getting him/her to admit it! Maybe that horse faced Sai Ma can help me develope further. Wonder if she ever comes to Dime Box...

 
At 1/19/2007 11:22 AM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Betty siad:
BLADE, YOU HAVE SURPASSED YOURSELF WITH AN AMAZING DISPLAY OF CONDESCENSION!


Yeah, if a woman shows some signs of having a "pleasing" personality, she is "man-pleasing", and if a man does it he is "condescending". This is because men are heartless, powerful and power-obsessed masters, while woman are useless and powerless, but themselves heartless, power-obsessed victim-slaves.... And everything either of them does is devoid of individuality, peronality, personal autonomy and affection. Got it! Go back to Grad School in the early nineties, that's where those ideas belong!

 
At 1/19/2007 12:24 PM, Anonymous betty said...

TheBlade said...

Yeah, if a woman shows some signs of having a "pleasing" personality, she is "man-pleasing", and if a man does it he is "condescending"... This is because men are heartless... that's where those ideas belong!

Hey Chuck,

Maybe you're right. Maybe Blade really is a woman pretending to be a man.

 
At 1/19/2007 3:54 PM, Anonymous semblance s and orchestra said...

betty said,

"Hey Chuck,

Maybe you're right. Maybe Blade really is a woman pretending to be a man."

..............

If he is, the he's my momma in the green sari!

 
At 1/19/2007 5:37 PM, Anonymous durga said...

Blade said:
Got it! Go back to Grad School in the early nineties, that's where those ideas belong!

Blade, I can't believe this but you're provoking me to defend Betty. Women's studies is a valid field of enquiry. It changes with the times, but overall it's good that it's there.

 
At 1/19/2007 5:45 PM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said: Maybe that horse faced Sai Ma can help me develope further. Wonder if she ever comes to Dime Box...

Chuck, I just saw Dimebox in that little red strip that runs on the the bottom of the 24 hour news channel. I actually thought you had made up that name.

 
At 1/20/2007 1:27 AM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Durga said:
Blade, I can't believe this but you're provoking me to defend Betty. Women's studies is a valid field of enquiry. It changes with the times, but overall it's good that it's there.


Durga, my point neither questions the validity of woman's studies, nor is Betty somehow vindicated by woman's studies. A reflexive disposition to see you as "man-pleasing" just for being pleasing, and me as condescending for the same thing, deserves to be criticized as the pathology that it is.

Is woman's studies defined in that pathology? Then disavow that definition.

 
At 1/20/2007 9:05 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

durga said...

Chuck, I just saw Dimebox...I actually thought you had made up that name.

............

Maybe now you'll believe me about the soul mate in Smithville. I don't know how, but I know things. Even Blade has admitted he's learned a little from me. I'm busy creating my Cowboy Dicksha Movement. All transmissions will be rebuilt and overhalled. All dicksha givers will wear cowboy hats and Dickie jeans. The female givers will be in pants so tight you can read the date of the dime in their back pockets.

You have inspired me Durga. This is my moment!

 
At 1/20/2007 5:06 PM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said: I'm busy creating my Cowboy Dicksha Movement.

Chuck, I just bought a pair of lucchese mad goat cowboy boots. Does that mean I can be included in your new movement? It might be a good career move for me.

 
At 1/21/2007 9:32 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

durga said...

Chuck, I just bought a pair of lucchese mad goat cowboy boots. Does that mean I can be included in your new movement?
.............

Durga, the main things will be the pants (must be tight!), the hair (must be teased up high like the tower that Betty says Blade lives in), and the makeup (must be applied liberally)! When I was in Bible school back in the 70's, the old timer preachers told me that I would never succeed in my ministry without a Cadillac and a painted woman! Hopefully with you on board, the Cadillac will follow!

 
At 1/22/2007 7:27 AM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said: the old timer preachers told me that I would never succeed in my ministry without a Cadillac and a painted woman! Hopefully with you on board, the Cadillac will follow!

My grandma used to have a cadillac and "high hair" in the 70's. I didn't follow in her footsteps, though, but with a little ingenuity, I could probably come through . I do have a teased green and pink wig from mardi gras in the 90's. Will that do, or will it scare off potential devotees?

 
At 1/22/2007 6:12 PM, Anonymous chuckbutter said...

Durga said My grandma used to have a cadillac and "high hair" in the 70's. I didn't follow in her footsteps...

............

How would your grandma look now in tight pants? If she won't wear the pants will she loan you the caddy?

 
At 1/23/2007 7:34 AM, Anonymous durga said...

chuck said: How would your grandma look now in tight pants? If she won't wear the pants will she loan you the caddy?

She died in 1987, and I didn't get the caddie. My father also had a powder blue cadillac convertible in the late 70's, but I didn't get that either.
I'll wear the tight pants if you promise me freedom from all my troubles and great relationships.

 
At 1/23/2007 8:40 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Durga said, I'll wear the tight pants if you promise me freedom from all my troubles and great relationships.

.............

As for promising you freedom from all troubles, no can do, although I'd like to. For the great relationship, go to Smithville...

 
At 2/04/2007 11:13 PM, Anonymous mike3 said...

CHUCK says:

THE BIGGEST TURN OFF I CAN IMAGINE
IS YOUR *PASTY WHITE* NEW YORK
CITY BACK SIDE!

I say:

Is that racist?!

One Humanity is the rule, folks.
We should obey it. You can disagree
with someone but racism, that's something else. That's what makes
war.

 

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