Monday, February 19, 2007

Spreading The Love

File under: Gurubusting

Now just a little over a month old, the TM-Free Blog is still online and moving full-speed ahead. Longtime gurubuster John Knapp and his ex-TMâ„¢er comrades are deconstructing the Maharishi-mythos with wit, wisdom and even a bit of help from us.

For a much more insightful analysis of the wackadoo nonsense perpetrated by the mad little old man who could (make billions off a kindergarten-level Hindu spiritual practice), don't forget to visit the TM-Free Blog.

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At 2/20/2007 7:51 AM, Blogger facedog said...

Jody said... perpetrated by the mad little old man who could (make billions off a kindergarten-level Hindu spiritual practice)...

I don't know if the technique is kindergarden level or not but if so, do you think millions of people in the West should have been offered a graduate school level technique? If so, what would that be? :(

 
At 2/20/2007 7:58 AM, Blogger jody said...

do you think millions of people in the West should have been offered a graduate school level technique?

It's not the "level" of the technique, it's the fraudulent amount charged for it.

Folks could have gotten close to the same technique, and certainly the same benefits, from something they picked up in any grade-school level mantra primer.

 
At 2/20/2007 8:28 AM, Blogger facedog said...

The suggestion was that some things are too simple to be gotten from a book. I got it very effectively from my TM initiator, used it well for 17 years and then moved on. Very glad on both points. Now I practice dhyan, given freely without condition or charge (but not from a book), which is even more simple and yet much harder to do.

Thanks, Jody for all your good work here. You have angered some and helped many. Good on you! :)

 
At 2/20/2007 10:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not the "level" of the technique, it's the fraudulent amount charged for it.

It is definitely a lot of money being charged per individual, no doubt, but money is merely exchange of energy (beautifully explained in Aghora III by Robert Svoboda). So, what appears "excessive" at the personal level is not the entire picture.

That Maharishi has been able to raise so much money in a society driven by "economic consciousness" has been the sole factor in ensuring that by sheer monetary force, awareness of the concepts of meditation and other allied vedic approaches has been driven into the minds of millions.

*That* is the big picture, that huge numbers of people were made aware of a different way of living and made open to the possibility of God-consciousness (or Realization by any other name), through whatever approach(es) they will be led to explore as a natural enfoldment of their destiny. But the seed was planted by Maharishi in the case of almost an entire generation, don't forget. *That* is kind of global positive influence Maharishi has had, regardless of his various human shortcomings.

 
At 2/20/2007 12:44 PM, Anonymous Betty said...

anon said... That Maharishi has been able to raise so much money in a society driven...

My Grandmother told me that nothing good ever comes from lying, stealing, or treating those that love you like shit. That is the real picture of what Maharishi has done.

 
At 2/20/2007 1:15 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

anon said: It is definitely a lot of money being charged per individual, no doubt, but money is merely exchange of energy (beautifully explained in Aghora III by Robert Svoboda).


Good God, what are you saying --- money is only an exchange of energy, therefore there is nothing wrong with making excessive monetary charges?

And as for the rest of your post, keep in mind anon, that almost every major bad, immoral, or delusional thing that has ever been done has some good effects.

 
At 2/20/2007 1:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, that is the real picture as you perceive it. Nobody asked you to continue to play the victim long after you broke ties. And just how deep you chose to get into the movement was entirely your choice. It is never a good idea to abandon reason and common sense while exploring spiritual teachings.

Maharishi may have commited "sins of omission", but I hardly think it's as big a deal as do the ex-TMers running that blog. They need to put the past behind them and get moving with life instead of crying "boo-hoo... I am scarred for life".

Gurus as human beings are not perfect and neither is life. Sometimes we get burned because we ourselves want to put our hands in the fire despite knowing better.

 
At 2/20/2007 2:11 PM, Anonymous Betty said...

Anon said...crying "boo-hoo... I am scarred for life".

You're the one sounds like a crybaby around here to me, buster! As for some of the people on TMex blog, they work regularly with young people still being hurt or just beginning to get free. Other than than, all I would say to you is Bite me!

 
At 2/20/2007 2:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good God, what are you saying --- money is only an exchange of energy, therefore there is nothing wrong with making excessive monetary charges?

No, that is not what I am saying. All I am saying is that there is nothing "right" nor "wrong" about it. Through the energetic means of of money, bartering in exchange for what one values takes place. The org. makes available their products at a price. Note that I said products because it is a business. As long as they're not hiring hitmen or having an elaborate money laundering operation, I say it's perfectly alright to charge whatever you want in a capitalistic society.

I surely would not pay through my nose to learn TM at today's exorbitant prices, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some people who consider it a good value even at that price. You cannot really put a price tag on what makes the buyer satisfied. Luxury goods and designer apparel manufactured in Chinese sweatshops but sold in the US also command inflated prices. People still pay for the goods.

And as for the rest of your post, keep in mind anon, that almost every major bad, immoral, or delusional thing that has ever been done has some good effects.

You seem to have missed the entire point of my comment. I am not portraying Maharishi as "good". However, let's keep the larger perspective in mind. How much "good" happened, vs. how much that was "immoral"? Was the underlying intention the desire to spread what is actually in most cases "good", or at worst "pretty harmless"? That is what I care about. I can pick what is useful and leave alone the rest. I hope others can too. If not, too bad.

 
At 2/20/2007 3:22 PM, Blogger facedog said...

Anon, you sound to me like someone who has not yet begun to cry or is trying very hard not to.

 
At 2/20/2007 3:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

betty said: As for some of the people on TMex blog, they work regularly with young people still being hurt or just beginning to get free.

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Wow, these young people probably had pre-existing psychological issues, yet folks like you go around claiming they were "damaged" and "hurt" by TM. That's very objective.

Other than than, all I would say to you is Bite me!

I lost my fangs years ago.

facedog said: Anon, you sound to me like someone who has not yet begun to cry or is trying very hard not to.

Your profound insight into my psyche astounds me, dog.

 
At 2/20/2007 4:18 PM, Blogger facedog said...

anon said...

Your profound insight into my psyche astounds me, dog.


You are more than welcome, anon. Hope it helps!

 
At 2/21/2007 1:38 PM, Blogger semblance s and orchestra said...

Betty!! i can bite you if i can reach you actually !
You are like my ass that way.
Cant reach easily.

 

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