Wednesday, May 07, 2008

Gp Vs. Sri Sri: Head To Head

File under: Satscams and The Siddhi of PR

Look at what appeared in the comments this morning:
In a satsang at the Art of Living centre in Germany last night, someone asked Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: “Guruji, I have observed that Guruphiliac seems to follow your every move and then writes negative things about you. Why are they doing this?”

This is the gist of what Guruji said:
Sri Sri, of course, doesn't have a clue about anything other than burnishing his own image. Observe:
I have inherited an ancient lineage and my job is to further its cause. Neither by thought, nor through word, nor by deed, have I ever done any harm to anyone, nor will I ever do so in the future; it is simply not in my nature. Nobody can expose me because there is nothing to expose: I stand tall, clean and naked in front of the whole world.
Sri Sri has appropriated a lineage as a platform upon which he writes his story of self-glorification, its cause perverted to provide a means by which fame and fortune are achieved. Ex-devotees who were close to Sri Sri agree, he is a vain facsimile of a guru, hypocritical when dealing with politicians (see Narendra Modi) and ambitious for personal fame at the expense of those who are giving him money for "good works."
I do whatever maximum good I can, and I inspire others to do so. These people who keep writing about me simply cannot leave me alone - they must be in deep love with me! (laughter)
Even hiding behind his facade as the world-saving guru, an unremitting narcissism still shines through. He can only see the world as a reflection of his own glories as an object to be loved. There's a term for that: narcissistic personality disorder.
When they keep comparing me with other people all the time, I must have made a very deep impression on them. I cannot help it if they can’t get over me - that’s the way I am! If I am that bad and fake, they should simply be able to ignore me and move onto the truth - but why are they are holding onto me, again and again?
Me-I-I-me-I-I-me-me: the self-reflective code of a narcissist. The hypocrisy built-in to Sri Sri's gurudom demands constant recognition. He hides behind the white robe and smirk and preaches "love" as a seemingly unassailable defense against criticism as he flies first class and stays in 5-star hotels when he comes to take your money.
If they are trying to teach me a lesson, if their intention is to correct me, then I’m sorry, I am incorrigible! (laughter)
We aren't trying to teach Sri Sri anything. We're just making sure folks understand that he is no true guru.
If their idea is to stop people from coming to me, and if people do stop just by reading these blogs, then I really thank them; it is good for me, it reduces my responsibility!
Petty bravado from a man who knows his machine will take in 20 more people for every one we might influence.
If they think I am doing this for publicity, they are unaware of the disadvantages of popularity. I pity them.
A very well-put suggestion that Sri Sri is suffering for us all by being famous. Has ever a more insincere statement been made by a person who calls himself guru?
Celebrities enjoy only popularity, but spiritual leaders have a huge responsibility with that popularity. People do not go to celebrities for guidance and blessings, but with spiritual leaders they do.
God help those who go to Sri Sri for his guidance and empty blessings.

First class flying, five-star staying, and his adoring millions; that's why we believe Sri Sri has become a guru.
If they think I have no right to exist on this planet, then they can crucify me; I am afraid neither of death nor of being defamed.
Sri Sri has every right to exist, and we have every right to call him a self-aggrandizing nincompoop. His pouring a few gallons of Kool-Aid down the throats of dupes in Germany in his own defense only speaks to a need to protect his image, another hallmark of narcissism.
I am not afraid, because nothing can destroy me.
He means, "I have nothing to fear. I am insulated by the thousands of people I've fooled into believing I'm God."
We do charity with the hard earned money from our courses. We are, of course, rich with people and with good character, and I am ready to share this wealth with anyone.
Open the books for auditing by an independent accounting firm so we can see just exactly how this wealth is shared.
Lest these people understand their hatred is nothing but love standing upside down.
Note the deft characterization of our criticism as "hatred." A timeless technique which insulates Sri Sri from having to answer any criticism whatsoever. It's not love standing on its head, Sri Sri. It's love coming to strip you of all the vainglory with which you've wound yourself so tightly. You can speak to a crowd of your own hapless dupes, but you'd run from an audience of those who've left their comments on this blog. That's a love you just aren't built to deal with.

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49 Comments:

At 5/07/2008 10:28 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

Amen Brother Jody! This buttloop really does stand naked before the whole world-- which is why it's so easy to see what a puny built sort of man he is! He is a shit storm in a sardine can!

 
At 5/07/2008 10:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was never sure if Sri Sri even knew of the existence of GP. That this question answer session took place in the German Ashram, and Sri Sri did not feign ignorance about GP....well...GP accomplished what it intended to do. Good going, Jody!!

 
At 5/07/2008 12:10 PM, Blogger yomamma said...

Jody i gotta give you props for, this. Sounds like SS gave a whole lecture on you. i love it , "Guruji, Jody says you're an A-hole, is it true?" There is hope!

 
At 5/07/2008 1:08 PM, Blogger CHUCK said...

She She said...I stand tall, clean and naked in front of the whole world.

.............

Number one, he aint tall! Number two imagine him standin naked in front of the world with cowgirl hat on twirlin a parasol over his little shoulder! Number 3 imagine him naked and ridin a liitle burro into Jerusalem!

Other assholes more cock sure of themselves than She She have gone down! Imagine him walkin naked into a 5 star hotel and bein told his credit cards were cancelled! That would be fun

 
At 5/07/2008 2:09 PM, Blogger Steven Sashen said...

Wouldn't it have been simpler (and more honest) if he just said, "You're asking *me* why someone else is doing something? I'm not a tele-psychic. Ask them, not me."

 
At 5/07/2008 3:24 PM, Blogger s e m b l a n c e said...

Steven Sashen said...
Wouldn't it have been simpler (and more honest) if he just said, "You're asking *me* why someone else is doing something? I'm not a tele-psychic. Ask them, not me."

5/07/2008 2:09 PM


:: But she she has been armed with these monologue now forawhile. He was lookin for an oppo where he can announce about his martyrdom which seem to be within his reach than the much sought after nobel puhleeeeassss price. These words dont come spontaneously but but a well rehearsed lines. Even a dead head such as mine can see that she she does not a kill or murder or even an assassinnation, but only crucifixion. Way to go dude!

 
At 5/07/2008 3:55 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

Sri Sri said...
Neither by thought, nor through word, nor by deed, have I ever done any harm to anyone, nor will I ever do so in the future; it is simply not in my nature. [...]

I do whatever maximum good I can, and I inspire others to do so.


I once heard an interview with an amazing Catholic nun, who'd dedicated her life to helping the poorest of the poor in Egypt. The admiring interviewer asked, "Do you think God is pleased with you?"

The nun just laughed and said, "I don't have a telephone line that lets me talk to God and ask him if he's pleased. So I don't know!"

Isn't that type of humility worth something? Doesn't it demonstrate some wonderful teaching, that this nun could try so sincerely to do good for others... but without attachment to any idea of the success or failure of her efforts?

Now compare the nun's attitude with the Sri Sri quote. Where's his humility? What's the merit in Sri Sri's belief and assertion of his absolute goodness and harmlessness?

These people who keep writing about me simply cannot leave me alone - they must be in deep love with me!

Isn't this the very definition of arrogance, of egotism? The belief that anyone who says anything about you must be in deep love with you? In the US, millions of people constantly speak of President Bush. If Bush declared that all this criticism means that everyone is deeply in love with him... wouldn't we recognize that as pathological narcissism?

The stance that Sri Sri takes, that he's a force of absolute good, and that anyone who questions that dogma must be doing so out of worshipful love for him... it makes his dogma bullet-proof. That is, it doesn't even allow any possibility for any feedback that could call his self-aggrandizement into question.

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

 
At 5/07/2008 4:02 PM, Anonymous taodancing said...

What a cunning piece of Sh*t Sh*t!

 
At 5/07/2008 4:10 PM, Blogger jody said...

What a cunning piece of Sh*t Sh*t!

But by even acknowledging my existence, or even that of any criticism anywhere, he is playing right into the hands of his harriers. Believe it or not, this was a bad move for Sri Sri, a tactical blunder brought on by his pathological narcissism, which will be his great undoing one day, if it hasn't actually undone him already.

 
At 5/07/2008 7:51 PM, Anonymous Martin Gifford said...

Diagnosis of Sri Sri:

1. Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

2. Messiah Complex.

3. Overcompensation.

4. Paranoia.

Um... Not the guru for me!

 
At 5/08/2008 3:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody

A first time reader of you blog might get the impression that you are envious of SSRS's fame and pulling power.

There's nothing much in your post to suggest that he is bad.

Do your philosophical differences. that explain your obsession with the guy?

 
At 5/08/2008 8:44 AM, Blogger jody said...

A first time reader of you blog might get the impression that you are envious of SSRS's fame and pulling power.

Or, they might begin to understand that he is utterly undeserving of the name and fame he has successfully lusted after.

There's nothing much in your post to suggest that he is bad.

Except for the fact he has a pathological personality disorder.

Do your philosophical differences. that explain your obsession with the guy?

Sri Sri has used the idea he is God to drive the success of his satsang. He is no more God than my dog, and he knows it. He is dishonest and a cheat, as evidenced by his placing family members on his board. He's also a political chameleon, changing his tune to whatever folks want to hear. He grandstands about peace whenever possible, but he has brought no peace anywhere. And he flies first class and stays at expensive hotels when he's supposed to be helping the poor. All in all, he is a complete fraud, and this is becoming more clear to more people everyday.

 
At 5/08/2008 9:29 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

anonymush said...A first time reader of you blog might get the impression that you are envious of SSRS's fame and pulling power.

,,,,,,,,,,,

Anybody who knew of this little butt swisher before he was famous would know that the galoot was hisself jealous and envious of his own Guru, Maharisky Mahush Bhogi! That's why he stabbed his poor guru in the back, set up his own stall in the market place, and lured away as many of his guru's wealthy followers as he could! Then the little weasle saw that Ammachi was gettin bigger and bigger by claimin to be God, so he decided that would work well for him too, and it has if you consider gettin rich off of deludin other folks as bein successul!

 
At 5/08/2008 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does thios bother you if he had limited his whatever 'work' to his own country namely India? Do you target him because he is making it big in america with the same 'godly work' ?
Do you voice as a vedantin or as an american who knows a bit of vedanta, but feels cheated by some god claimer from India ?

 
At 5/08/2008 10:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In anycase he did not saeem to have addressed gp exclusively. That is some credit you guys seem to desperately wanting for your survival ? I think there are more people than just you and the clumsy lot here that target him. I think he addressed all of them without mentioning any names. Except the questioner perhaps mentioning the name of gp, i odnt see srisri said anything particularly about gp.

My point is dont be so much pepped up. Because i feel the guy is now used to this stuff and soon all this will not make any differnece to him or to the millions that apparently smokescreen him.

im just an outsider of both gp and aol. Its important you guys know what it feels for an outsider. So i thought i give my feedbacks. Thanks.

 
At 5/08/2008 11:12 AM, Blogger jody said...

In anycase he did not saeem to have addressed gp exclusively.

Notice that his response was the direct result of being questioned about my comments in this blog, Guruphiliac. It was mentioned by name.

That is some credit you guys seem to desperately wanting for your survival ?

This blog survives only on my wherewithal. It requires nothing else.

I think there are more people than just you and the clumsy lot here that target him.

Your attempt to discredit the anti-Sri Sri commenters here by calling them clumsy is noted.

 
At 5/08/2008 11:19 AM, Blogger jody said...

Does thios bother you if he had limited his whatever 'work' to his own country namely India?

It bothers me that he is using the idea that he is God to trick people. It doesn't matter where he does it. It is wrong, deceitful and dirty.

Do you target him because he is making it big in america with the same 'godly work' ?

It's not "godly work," it's flimflamming for name, fame and profit. And he's not making it big in America, despite the thousands of dollars he's been spending on advertising here. He's still a pipsqueak compared to Ammachi in the States.

Do you voice as a vedantin or as an american who knows a bit of vedanta, but feels cheated by some god claimer from India ?

I voice as an asshole with an opinion, who happens to be initiated into a Vedantic lineage. I've never felt cheated by Sri Sri, although I am constantly disgusted by him.

 
At 5/08/2008 3:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sri Sri has used the idea he is God to drive the success of his satsang. He is no more God than my dog, and he knows it. He is dishonest and a cheat, as evidenced by his placing family members on his board. He's also a political chameleon, changing his tune to whatever folks want to hear. He grandstands about peace whenever possible, but he has brought no peace anywhere. And he flies first class and stays at expensive hotels when he's supposed to be helping the poor. All in all, he is a complete fraud, and this is becoming more clear to more people everyday.

Jody

It's not enough to convict the guy. It's not sufficient to dissuade anyone going to his events.

You and Chuckji need to do more than working up a lather for each others backs to convince us that there is more than just bitchy jealousy driving your crusade.

If you got some evidence then don't hold back.

 
At 5/08/2008 3:22 PM, Blogger jody said...

If you got some evidence then don't hold back

The fact that AoL encourages its members to believe Sri Sri is God is all the evidence I need. It's up for the readers to decide whether that is any kind of indictment. I already know that it is.

 
At 5/08/2008 4:32 PM, Anonymous ned said...

Jody, here's a comparison with Sri Ramana Maharishi. Taken from my friend Alan Kazlev's site:
http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/Ramana-response_to_criticism.html

Quite telling, if you ask me.

*****

Sri Ramana's response to criticism
----------------------------------

"Mr T.K.S. Iyer, a disciple, was excited [note: agitated would perhaps have been a better word?] because someone in the town had spoken disparagingly of the Master. He did not retort and came away excited. So he asked Master what penalty should be paid for his failure to defend him.

Maharshi: "Patience, more patience; tolerance, more tolerance!"

----

There was a man from the state of Kerala who had written a biography of Sri Ramana Maharshi in Malayalam (that state’s regional language). Before sending the manuscript to press he decided to visit the Ashram and have it read aloud before Bhagavan.

Because Kunju Swami was born in Kerala and spoke fluent Malayalam, Bhagavan asked him to read the manuscript aloud, and also to look after the author’s needs during his visit. As Kunju Swami began reading, he could not believe what was written. The book stated that Maharshi was married and was the father of several children, and that one day, while living in the South Indian town of Madurai, he closed his eyes and was somehow magically transported to the Arunachala Hill. The book went on like this, containing many fictional accounts.

After the reading took place, the author had to leave quickly in order to catch a train back home. Maharshi was very gracious to him and asked Kunju Swami to be sure he had something to eat before leaving, and see to it that he reached the train station on time.

After seeing off the visitor, Kunju Swami hurried back to the Ashram, anxious to hear what Bhagavan thought of this highly exaggerated manuscript, which was about to go to press. Back at the Old Hall, he found Ramana Maharshi quietly attending to some small chore, completely unconcerned about anything else. Kunju Swami waited as patiently as he could, wondering if Maharshi might raise the subject. But he just quietly chatted with those present and sat silently.

Finally, Kunju Swami could not contain himself any longer and asked: “Bhagavan, how could you allow this book to get printed? It is full of inaccuracies. In fact, most of it is untrue.” Bhagavan looked at Kunju Swami for a moment then replied: “Oh, I see. You mean only this is untrue, and everything else is true?”

The book was never printed!

 
At 5/08/2008 4:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that AoL encourages its members to believe Sri Sri is God is all the evidence I need. It's up for the readers to decide whether that is any kind of indictment. I already know that it is.

In this day and age where everyone and everything is considered God such "evidence" which you claim to have just doesn't wash.

I say again it seems like envy and seems petty but I guess your answer is that that is okay with you.

 
At 5/08/2008 5:00 PM, Blogger jody said...

In this day and age where everyone and everything is considered God such "evidence" which you claim to have just doesn't wash.

It does wash when you consider that people are led to believe Sri Sri can perform miracles because he is specially divine. This blog exists to debunk all claims of special divinity. By planting the seed through his org that he is specially divine, a weed has grown that completely chokes out any real inkling of spiritual truth in his organization.

I say again it seems like envy and seems petty but I guess your answer is that that is okay with you.

If that's all you've got, brother, Sri Sri doesn't stand a chance.

 
At 5/08/2008 11:49 PM, Blogger Kamal said...

I go through the articles very patiently And I find it only full of full complains & complains .what my suggestion is here to do take some responsibility for society in real sense. Complaining is a sign of Weak Personality.I am not a follower of Sri Sri ,But I find one thing in HIM that he has no time to complain like us. But HE believe in taking responsibilty for the society . This earth is full of oppurtunities to do better Job.Keeping your eye on Sri Sri or any one will not bring any great results . Just wasteing of intellect & time.

 
At 5/09/2008 7:50 AM, Blogger jody said...

Complaining is a sign of Weak Personality.

From the AoL indoctrination manual: "if the dupes start complaining, tell them they have weak personalities."

I am not a follower of Sri Sri

The manual says: "when you are defending 'guruji,' deny any affiliation with AoL."

I find one thing in HIM that he has no time to complain like us.

That's because you've never been close to him.

But HE believe in taking responsibilty for the society.

No, he believes WE believe he is taking responsibility. That is his scam.

 
At 5/09/2008 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody said
I find one thing in HIM that he has no time to complain like us.

That's because you've never been close to him

Jody, just curious, have YOU been close to him?

 
At 5/09/2008 2:04 PM, Blogger jody said...

have YOU been close to him?

No, nor would I want to. However, if he wants to meet me at a Peet's Coffee and Tea, I'd be happy to tell him he has his head clear up his ass to his face.

However, in the first few years of this blog we had a regular commenter called ontheotherhand. He was in the AoL inner circle long enough to get the real scoop. He hasn't left any comments in a while, but here's one of the many comments he did leave about Sri Sri:

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is quickly becoming a big-time joke imo. You are right, Jody, saying that he ought to consider what he says about drugs the next time he drinks Bhang at Shivaratri -- haha.

SSRS tries to be whatever he thinks is profitable at the moment: On Shivatri he dances "like Shiva" (looks feeble to me); at other times he pretends to be Krishna, and blathers on about all his "gopis"; in other times/places, he has said that gay men surrounding him were devotees of Rama in their past birth, and have now come to be gopis around him. Sheesh. Where does all this foolishness end?

One saint in India asked SSRS point blank "are you Krishna or not?" He replied "I don't knoooow." in his foolish sing song voice. The saint didn't let him off the hook, but pressed him saying "you are either Krishna or you are not". SSRS finally admitted that he wasn't Krishna, nor Shiva, nor any other God. So the saint asked him "then why do you lead all these innocent people into believing that you are?" He had no answer.

Surprised? Not me.


I realize AoL propaganda agents will deny this person ever had access to Sri Sri, or they'll say he was mentally unbalanced. I found him to be a well-adjusted person who choked on the Kool-Aid and got out, although I wish he'd come back here and get on the case with us again.

 
At 5/09/2008 2:38 PM, Blogger Yunus said...

Although i in fact agree with Jody that his claiming to be God (or at least his not refuting it when others claim so) is enough, for those like the anonymous and Kemal in this discussion, i have just put together a blog of my own:
http://answeringaol.blogspot.com/

 
At 5/09/2008 3:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If that's all you've got, brother, Sri Sri doesn't stand a chance.

Actually, I was hoping you would have better evidence. I can't see how the faithful will be convinced to unconvert based on your snipes, they would be more likely to stay in to the end.

 
At 5/09/2008 3:29 PM, Blogger jody said...

I was hoping you would have better evidence

I have the testimony of a person who was in Sri Sri's inner circle in India for a significant period of time, and that of a former AoL teacher who choked on the Kool-Aid as well. I also have my own analysis of his public statements and grandstanding.

This is an opinion blog. I'm only saying what I feel to be true based on the above. If only one person of millions begins to choke on Sri Sri's Kool-Aid as a result of reading my blog, my job will be complete. There have already been several as evidenced by comments left in the past, so I'm feeling pretty good about what I'm doing at the moment.

 
At 5/09/2008 8:16 PM, Anonymous silent presence said...

Anyone claiming to be god is totally deluded. EVERYTHING is.

If you really understand this you don't make such silly claims and distinctions.

Sri Sri -- just another holi-hooker.

 
At 5/10/2008 2:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone claiming to be god is totally deluded. EVERYTHING is.

So no-one is God? That's deluded logic.

Does SSRS also state that you are God too?

 
At 5/10/2008 8:08 AM, Blogger jody said...

Does SSRS also state that you are God too?

He's not saying you are Krishna or Shiva, just him.

It's not the fact he claims to be God along with the rest of us, it's the fact he claims special status and divinity because he is a guru that sucks ass.

 
At 5/10/2008 9:00 AM, Anonymous silent presence said...

What I tried to communicate was that there is nothing but god. Just one being, in reality, exists. The appearance of so many 'individuals' is transient and temporal phenomena.

Although this would take too long to elaborate here, this can very logically and experientially ve verified.

I probably just bored you ... no problem ... ignore this.

 
At 5/10/2008 2:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not the fact he claims to be God along with the rest of us, it's the fact he claims special status and divinity because he is a guru that sucks ass.

I suspect your problem with him has more to do with the fact that others follow him than what he claims

 
At 5/10/2008 2:59 PM, Blogger jody said...

I suspect your problem with him has more to do with the fact that others follow him than what he claims

Others follow him exactly because of what he claims, in terms of his own special divinity and in terms of what he's claiming to do for the world.

Both claims are bunkum, yet both claims provide the entire foundation of his existence as a guru.

And that's what bothers me about him.

 
At 5/10/2008 3:04 PM, Anonymous taodancing said...

SSRS certainly acts like he is more god than the rest of humanity. Many gurus act as if they are gods, and then defend their special status by asserting all is god, all is divine. So much crazy twisted logic!

There is enough of pathological personalities mistaking themselves for God or Napoleon. It becomes a social problem when such a personality has the cunning to mislead sincere seekers into becoming slavish followers, working for nothing helping him to defraud the public.

There is no business like the guru business. You get unpaid slave sevaks (volunteers) making big money for you while you and your family live like royalty. These sevaks even have to pay huge fees to get the training so that they can be your slaves. What a deal!

 
At 5/10/2008 3:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Others follow him exactly because of what he claims, in terms of his own special divinity and in terms of what he's claiming to do for the world.

Both claims are bunkum, yet both claims provide the entire foundation of his existence as a guru.

And that's what bothers me about him.


Why are bothered that this guy makes claims that you consider as "bunkum"?

 
At 5/10/2008 3:29 PM, Blogger jody said...

Why are bothered that this guy

Because he's pulling the wool over the eyes of millions as he rapes Vedantic truth for his own amusement and profit.

 
At 5/10/2008 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew a 1near 100 year old man once who lived under the stairs by the Ganges. He wrote a book with the author name stated as 'anonymous.' He never accepted even a penny, or a flower, but just gave and gave. "Stand on your own two feet" he said, "there is no guru and no disciple ... only brahman exists." What he taught gave you goosepimples. None of the holy-hookers of today could even tie his sandals ... yet he is totally unknown.

Wow!

 
At 5/11/2008 2:03 AM, Anonymous taodancing said...

Jody, I know of other long-time SSRS followers who choked on his Kool-Aid and left. They talk about their confusion and frustration with friends but do not bother to go public with their complaints. For everyone who speaks out, there are many more who leave quietly.

Even if SSRS has real siddhis, it doesn't make him more god than anyone else. He is misusing his siddhis (if he indeed have them) to mislead others for personal gain.

 
At 5/11/2008 3:54 AM, Blogger Kamal said...

Thanx for the reply , But is showing some sort of frustation .And from my point of view of this blog is not genuine at all. Only liked minded People & liked minded topics. If you take it from the point of debate also.You will find it just one sided.Blameing is the best thing . Because there is no effort in it .Just need of a boneless tongue .
Also from the intellectutual point of view you can prove anything whether it is truth or False. But truth does not need to prove.Because it is truth
But you have to make effort to prove false things as true....which is going on !

 
At 5/11/2008 4:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because he's pulling the wool over the eyes of millions as he rapes Vedantic truth for his own amusement and profit.

You're losing me with such reasons and I suspect most other people won't know or care what you are talking about.

I wanted some clear cut examples that everyone could understand that demonstrate that SSRS is a problem. Yet all I hear from you is inflammatory opinionated sectarian jargon.

When they say religion causes needless wars I see that you are part of the problem here.

Or am I wrong? I hope so

 
At 5/11/2008 8:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

kamal said...Blameing is the best thing

...............

Nobody is blaming anybody here. This is a direct attack or at least a much deserved bitch slap to Ravi Shankar.

 
At 5/12/2008 9:17 AM, Blogger Yunus said...

To anonymous who wrote: "I wanted some clear cut examples that everyone could understand that demonstrate that SSRS is a problem."

What about these:
* Saying that the effect of SK has been scientifically proven while it is not(or at least not the effects they mention).
* Not mentioning his guru (Maharishi) and evading questions about him until he is death.
* Writing a book about Islam as a Hindu spiritual figure that is full of mistakes and thus doing something very dangerous in a country like India where tensions are high enough about these topics (and admitting that this book "was written in a hurry" only goes to show how not enlightened he is, 'cause anyone who is the least bit enlightened would never ever write a book about that topic 'in a hurry' when it is to be published in India)
* Organising NGO summits about that turn out to be complete scams
* Claiming that "his organisation is working in poor rural communities to promote sustainable growth, and has reached more than 30,000 villages." Although this leads to the hopelessly absurd and impossible fact that in 11 years (or 4015 days) the association for Human Values would have "reached out" (by which is meant: Teaching and promoting Organic farming, Irrigation techniques, Water harvesting development programs, Drainage system development, etc.) to an average of more than 7 villages every day.
* A complete lack of transparency in financial dealings although millions of dollars are concerned.
(Certainly if they should be able to "reach out" to 7 villages a day)
* Saying that all the money goes to development courses although a taxfile of 2005 reports total revenues of $3.2M coming from giving courses while none of the money went towards international developmental or humanitarian programs, disaster relief, scientific/medical research or charitable activity.
(So apparently they don't need the money of the richest part of the world to "reach out" to the poorest part)
* Claiming to be in the tradition of Gandhi while his acts and words are (provably) far from it.
* ...

Good enough as a start?
And for all these things there are references and sources that back up these claims. (As i previously posted, you can find all the references here: http://answeringaol.blogspot.com/)

And on top of all this there are enough first hand accounts of people who have been teachers within the AOL who give away much more 'clear cut examples'. They're scattered throughout guruphiliac. Just take some effort to look for them.

 
At 5/12/2008 11:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good enough as a start?

It's a start.

I just can't understand Jody's obsession with SSRS. There are so really disgusting characters and groups out there that never get anything more than a brief mention.

 
At 5/16/2008 5:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody et al...You guys are obsessed with Sri Sri. All the strong words you have written speak of whats in your own personality (world is a mirror)...I can't find an iota of truth in what you say. Just mere English words tweaked to your own convenience. And only Jesus knows why? If I were to follow(read obsessed with) you (Jody) the way you follow Sri Sri, I could create a whole blog of your misdeeds. Everyone has a dark side isn't it. Its true for every person you are obsessed with. Its such a negative approach. Finding faults. Pity. Just looking at what is missing in someone, look at what he has accomplished. Its easy to find fault. Are you not lacking simple faith in your writings.
This person said...that person said that... blah blah....Maybe you can sound more authentic if you spend time with Sri Sri and write REAL Original or maybbe experience what he teaches first hand. Something like undercover agent (Jody 007, saviour of our world))... Maybe then I ( and many of us) would like to read your posts. Com'on enough theory, give us some practical writing. Till then ...reflect that its only Empty Vessels that make more noise so get some meat on what you write - Amen

 
At 5/19/2008 10:30 AM, Blogger angelfire said...

Hey Amen :), Jody might know more than just theory, - this guru business is somewhat fun (maybe serious) psychology!! Live, get duped and drugged on Gurus... They come in many disguises. Personally, I have had close encounters with Sri Sri... leaving me with an uneasy feeling that something is completely wrong.. I was happier before the devotee-phase and I was happier after the devotee-phase (lasted about 3 yrs.) Before and after was when I could live according to my own truth, my own authenticity - thank you guru very much for teaching me something of real value. To have me come to my senses, in making a distance.. It is all in your mind, all the wonder is devotion, bhakti in motion, no doubt the most wonderful raptures happened.. But should I then feel I owe it to the Guru, the man? He has chosen his guru-job, and I am afraid he is NOT doing it very well. From what I see, he has himself fallen from GRACE and the 'content' of Aol has become quite hollow and empty... I do in fact feel real love for the man, but I will rather tell it as it is (subjectively), rather than pulling down some thick foggy substance of cult-mechanisms. Wish someone would shake him, so as to save his reputation at least a bit. I feel sorry for him as he will fall from a great height.. - taking with him all the not-so-loving&belonging aspirants around him. Time will tell. You who defend him as it was your lives, please go on and develop some dicernment. There is nothing to defend but concepts -if you detangle from the cobweb, you come out richer.. maybe pretty desillusioned, but richer nevertheless... it only takes some guts!!!

 
At 5/20/2008 7:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow! What antipathy! and Agony! and Stress, of course. As an outsider, all I could feel is that this blog has a lot like-minded people, now only if these like-minded people would get out of their complain zones and fish out some real proofs of Sri Sri crimes as they say! Guru or not God or not who cares, as long as, he is creating a lot of stress-free individuals around him. Mind you, again this is a proof I have got from seeing the growth and progress of individuals around me who have done AOl courses. Yeah I still have to be convinced, but your blog does'nt convince me either. :)

 
At 6/01/2008 4:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i dont believe in Sri Sri,or anyone....but isnt it correct that all the readers and supporters of this blog are really striving on negative criticism..... The point is stop writing and start doing..... stop wasting your time on such a weblog and start and prove all the believers that all the service done (so called ) by such organisations can be done without the necessity of such funds. By writing this blog you are just not ready to face them. You are a coward ... There are many people who are like you brilliant and to the point but fail to convince the entire community coz u guys just do intellectual talking rather than actual doing.... Prove yourself in the correct way..... else stop such blogs

 

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