Tuesday, June 03, 2008

What Has Made Sri Sri A "Saint?"

File under: Gurubusting and Satscams

Nothing more than his incessantly blowing his own horn.

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41 Comments:

At 6/05/2008 11:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what is the rational content of this post? Sorry but I missed the point...It seems he has really broken your heart to merit such irrational criticisms.
~ Chris

 
At 6/05/2008 11:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, it is nice of you to compile all these links. If the
poor guy does not take initiative
to inspire service you would call him selfish. If he does so you call him blowing his own horn. I like your critique in general as long as it is intended to bring the facts out but this particular post seems to be a post for the sake of itself rather than having any solid objective criticism.

 
At 6/05/2008 6:19 PM, Blogger jody said...

I missed the point

Sri Sri's fame is all about his PR, rather than any good works that are actually being done. In other words, they are charged with the task of creating the appearance that Sri Sri is a saint, doing so by broadcasting press releases every time he makes a statement. It's self-serving much more than humanity-serving.

It seems he has really broken your heart

That's one of the stories AoL is attempting to disseminate, that I'm a disgruntled former devotee. In actual fact, I've never been to an AoL meeting and have never had anything to do with their org.

What breaks my heart is that folks are so easily fooled by the inveterate grandstanding of Sri Sri, whose example does much more to pollute the truth than bring any to the surface, imo.

 
At 6/05/2008 6:26 PM, Blogger jody said...

If the poor guy does not take initiative to inspire service you would call him selfish.

If he'd just do the service without the constant stream of self-generated accolades, I wouldn't be paying so much attention to him.

If he does so you call him blowing his own horn.

He is blowing his horn to a), make himself as famous as possible, and b), get into as many devotees' bank accounts as he is able.

 
At 6/05/2008 9:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In actual fact, I've never been to an AoL meeting and have never had anything to do with their org."

"He is blowing his horn to a), make himself as famous as possible, and b), get into as many devotees' bank accounts as he is able."


Wow! I wonder how in the world you got access to his head and the intent of what he is doing?

If you had blown your own horn after having a close contact with the organisation or even better, with the man himself, yes I would take your point.

He is a simple guy, sleeps on the floor and is good at meditation and tries to inspire people to take responsibility for the world we live in. But all you are stating here is a subjective opinion-saying-
hey do the service, but here is the deal-if anyone finds out and puts it on the news, I -Jody have personally taken it upon myself to police that and to blame the poor guy doing the service of being greedy for fame.

And that too with a good amount of unwarranted bitterness that is based at most on heresay of other people's experience than any factual data on the intent or reality of the topics being commented upon.

Again let me reiterate, your aim is good, to sort of bring some sort of accountability to these people, but some of the points like the one raised in this post are just lame.

 
At 6/05/2008 10:37 PM, Blogger jody said...

I wonder how in the world you got access to his head and the intent of what he is doing?

A former member of his inner circle, (a fact likely to be denied by AoL,) left many comments here which painted a picture of a greedy man, hungry for fame and the big-time. Unfortunately, the greed seems to have succeeded. You can read ontheotherhand's comments here.

 
At 6/06/2008 12:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, it is true that Jody and this GP love Sri Sri a lot!!! That is why everyday they ''have'' to write about him! Like, today they didnt have anything new, so, they wrote this one sentence!!!

 
At 6/06/2008 1:17 AM, Blogger jody said...

they wrote this one sentence

To illustrate the repetitive nature of Sri Sri's PR effort.

 
At 6/06/2008 1:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I were a true saint, I would not let anyone call me His Holiness... because it would elevate me above others.
If I were doing real service for humanity, I would not care to let anyone know... and not charge a lot of money, so that those with less would not participate... I would not care for luxury, 5 star hotels, businessclass seats. I would rather have a small group of sincere seekers, and all I would do, if I could, would be to direct their attention towards the "goal" - that is selfrealization. I would be sick and corrupted if I would allow crowds of people adore me.. If I was I true saint, there would not be any me.. In fact I am a saint just like all of you, but I do not have the same charisma...

 
At 6/06/2008 9:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is the experience of a fewmillion people against one vociferous individual. For one person like ontheotherhand you would find a hundred more who have spent time around him and found him to be benevolent. It is very easy to twist words and win even in court of law without having a grain of truth in them, and when one is prejudiced one is bound to exaggerate the perceived negative out of proportions, I personally would not base my opinion of a whole movement on just one disgruntled person's comments. Granted Sri Sri may be just a simple human being, and na supernatural yogi, but maybe an inspiring teacher to be able to hold attention of intellectuals and VIPs around the world. I do not see any wrong in having a vision for a society and having enterpreneurial skill or tendency. Today because of him hundreds of youth who were previously drug/alcohol/violence addicted have found the passion to go out and do something good in the society, many of my friends among them, who have become more responsible and caring citizens because of his meditation and knowledge programs. I see much less reason to blindly believe in people like ontheotherhands statements and take them out of context especially when he has viciously taken upon himself to spread hatred and venom based on a few experiences. There are many who leave other teachers and come to Sri Sri, often even prominent
people from them, but he has the poise and refinement to discourage gossip and to get them focus on actual work rather than squander their time and energy criticizing and complaining endlessly about all that is imperfect in the world.
Stop whining and get some humor and neutrality instead of venom in your attitude...
~Chris

 
At 6/06/2008 10:02 AM, Blogger jody said...

It is the experience of a fewmillion people against one vociferous individual.

Wrong. OTOH was in the inside circle. In the intervening years, it's unlikely that more than a few hundred people penetrated as far.

For one person like ontheotherhand you would find a hundred more who have spent time around him and found him to be benevolent.

Yes, Sri Sri is a good actor, isn't he?

I personally would not base my opinion of a whole movement on just one disgruntled person's comments.

I agree. My opinion is based more on Sri Sri's use of superstitious myth about gurus to propagate his cult.

an inspiring teacher to be able to hold attention of intellectuals and VIPs around the world.

It's all one big suck-up, isn't it?

I do not see any wrong in having a vision for a society and having enterpreneurial skill or tendency.

The vision is only about personal fame and glory, with society being merely the cow which gives the milk.

Today because of him hundreds of youth who were previously drug/alcohol/violence addicted have found the passion to go out and do something good in the society

A typical exaggeration, used many times over by AoL shills to further their leader's personal glory.

I see much less reason to blindly believe in people like ontheotherhands statements and take them out of context

It is you who are taking them "out of context." It was all pretty clear to me what the context was: that of a fame-lusting little man who likes being the center of attention.

especially when he has viciously taken upon himself to spread hatred and venom based on a few experiences.

It was more than a few experiences, and they were expressed truthfully. The venomousness is all on you.

here are many who leave other teachers and come to Sri Sri

Again, the big suck-up prevails in the world.

he has the poise and refinement to discourage gossip

Until you get into the inner circle.

Stop whining and get some humor and neutrality instead of venom in your attitude

Stop drinking all that Kool-Aid and maybe you'll actually see the truth around you.

 
At 6/08/2008 8:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you are saying is "stop drinking all "that" Kool-aid and take mine instead".
I personally can give you the name of atleast 10 of my close friends
whom i have seen transform.
And am sure if you care to base any of your personal opinions on "actual" facts rather than mere other people's opinions, you would have a much more balanced picture of reality....

Get off your self-fed Kool aid dude! And sop pretending to be the messiah out to "awaken" people as if you are the only one in the whole entire world who has any intelligence! Not everybody out there is a naive, gullible, unthinking Kool-aid drinking suck up like you portray, people have intelligence and it is for them to decide if they are going to take what is worthwhile or just focus on the negatives and miss the beautiful parts.

You need to be honest in your assessment and stop acting like you know-it-all even to do justice to your own aim.

~Chris


~ Chris

 
At 6/08/2008 8:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And yes, granted OTOH was in the inner circle-if you so easily position yourself to doubt the intent of SSRS, what reason do I have to believe that OTOH has
good intentions and they are not a money hungry employee of the same terrorist muslim organisation that threatened to sabotage the "one world" meeting of all faiths in bangalore art of living center?

Give me one reason to believe that OTOH or even you yourself are honest and not yourself a fame greedy money greedy biotch! If I were to act like you, I would say i am certain that you are those things!

~ Chris

 
At 6/08/2008 9:57 AM, Blogger jody said...

One of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's more "astute" defenders leaves a comment:

just because you were found screwing the Gaurds at Sri Sri's Ashram and were thrown out

I've never been anywhere near an AoL ashram and have never had any relations with anyone remotely associated with such a snake pit.

 
At 6/08/2008 10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Jody,

When you have not been part of an organisation, how is it so easy for you to beleive into a person who was part of it. There can be various reasons for that person to leave the organisation. Out of jealousy, NO POWER feeling.. and much more, a person can write all that he wants.. why do you want to beleive a person and write so much. Why dont you meet Sri Sri and then see what he is all about?

I beleive that truth remains always and lies are always short lived. If this organisation is really not doing anything, then prove it to the world on a bigger medium and uncover their false claims, if they are.

Do bigger things in life than all this.

GOD BLESS YOU.

 
At 6/08/2008 9:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I beleive that truth remains always and lies are always short lived."

I agree! God is watching even Ravi Shankar, and nothing goes unseen. His lies will be exposed eventually, even to "Chris" and his 10 friends, I'm sure.



"If this organisation is really not doing anything, then prove it to the world on a bigger medium and uncover their false claims, if they are."

The lawsuits in progress are out to prove just that. May God Bless Them and may the Truth be revealed.


"Do bigger things in life than all this."

Just because Art of Living and Ravi Shankar are doing "big things" doesn't make it great. Hitler did big things. Bin Laden is doing something big. All sorts of crooks and swindlers and liars and even well-wishers do "big things". That doesn't make them good.

Imo it's up to Ravi Shankar to prove himself. Not for some little guy like Jody or OTOH to prove that he's wrong.

 
At 6/08/2008 9:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris,

Just keep your eyes open. If you want to see a waste of energy, gossip and general malice, just make Ravi Shankar angry with you once and watch.

How do I know you are not a brainwashed fool like those who follow Sai Baba and their ilk? You sound like that. You cannot even imagine that Ravi Shankar has ever done something wrong. You are either very naive, or, like many around Ravi Shankar, lying and covering for him as usual.

How do I know you are not a paid employee of Ravi Shankar's, paid to come to this site to dispute anything said against him? I wouldn't put that past him. He's so paranoid.

LOL! At the idea that someone here is a terrorist out get poor little Sri Sri. What a joke.

People from Art of Living will say everything and anything if someone dares to speak out against their precious master.

I pity all of them, and you, Chris.

 
At 6/09/2008 6:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Chris and other defendors, I think you are missing the point.

Critic of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar comes from the perspective, that he very clearly both states and encourages an understanding where he is more than others, and his followers indeed are less. What more is he perpetuate silly ideas like being close to ones self takes evolving, learning etc. He makes people dependent and infantile by perpetuating the lie that what ever good happens in Aol is a consequence of HIS grace.

He has made a top controlled organisation, that moves through fear and intimidation. He has constructed a course whith yoga science that aims at creating dependent followers.

He uses every catastrophe to sell this course. Ask yourself offcourse when people are struck by disaster it is the right time to sell them a religion, in this case hinduism, but is this realy ethical? Is it really what people need?

What is more why lie about the hindunationalist aim? Why lie about the fact, that the techniques are on par with every other yoga technique. Why lie about so called mystical grace that is supposed to create "miracles". Why cloud the clear and simple understanding of the self, with superstituous talk about his godly enlighetened all knowingness? Why not just work to empower and set people free? Why all the control and domination? Why the trafficking in fear?

If you are good at answering questions why not start there?

 
At 6/09/2008 6:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again as many fulltimers have realized, where is the humanitaria work, that can not be categorized under course promotion?
Lots of talk no facts......

 
At 6/09/2008 8:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure if i signed the previous post-it is me Chris here who wrote it, thanks!
~Chris

 
At 6/09/2008 9:25 AM, Blogger jody said...

There can be various reasons for that person to leave the organisation.

You mean, there are various lies that the organization is telling to mitigate the damage to their credibility.

In the time we were graced with OTOH's presence here, he was kind and helpful, only seeking to warn others off and expose their misapprehensions about Sri Sri and AoL. I have no reason to doubt anything he said, especially in the light of those who seek to discredit him out of their own desperation.

 
At 6/09/2008 9:33 AM, Blogger jody said...

I personally can give you the name of atleast 10 of my close friends whom i have seen transform.

That tells me exactly nothing. One of the maxims of this blog is that very bad gurus can still work very well for the right devotee. Your friends have generated their own, positive placebo effect out of their belief in the practices and techniques of AoL. They likely would enjoy the same benefits from one of the hundreds of other sets of techniques offered out there.

And am sure if you care to base any of your personal opinions on "actual" facts rather than mere other people's opinions, you would have a much more balanced picture of reality....

Sly attempt to discredit a formerly deep inside AoL critic noted

s[t]op pretending to be the messiah out to "awaken" people as if you are the only one in the whole entire world who has any intelligence!

Many who come to this blog have arrived at their own, similar views entirely independent of my own.

people have intelligence and it is for them to decide if they are going to take what is worthwhile

Just as folks can decide to skip my blog if they aren't digging what I'm saying.

just focus on the negatives and miss the beautiful parts.

The opposite of which is to self-blind oneself to the negatives by wallowing in the so-called beautiful.

 
At 6/09/2008 9:37 AM, Blogger jody said...

what reason do I have to believe that OTOH has
good intentions


You only have your own presuppositions about anyone who would criticize Sri Sri. Actually, it's not the likes of you I'm trying to convince, so I don't actually care that you can't fathom an up close and personal rendering of life next to the glory-hounding Sri Sri.

Give me one reason to believe that OTOH or even you yourself are honest and not yourself a fame greedy money greedy biotch!

Because I've made a total of $200 in the last six months with this blog, and nobody is paying me anything to write it.

 
At 6/10/2008 8:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are those who do not want to believe other peoples thuths when spoken against their beliefs. There are people who do not believe that Hitler & the Nazis existed. They are essentially afraid of the truth... It is not even a question of believing OTOH or not.

I "know" it it to be based on facts. If I told you my personal experiences within the Art of Living, many would not want to believe me, and what more.. they will hate me.

I will tell something: years ago I got all ensnared and really felt Sri Sri as divine. Today I know it is a mirroring of that divineness in me.. I could do anything for him. One time I asked about the faculty of "knowing" - his reply was a question: anyone that advanced here? and I was surprised that he often did not answer many of the questions that I though were good. I was quite centered at that time.. but found in retrospect that my centeredness gradually disappeared, since it was all due to the grace of his holiness.

It was new and kind of exiting in the beginning.. I went to many courses, but gradually I felt more and more uncomfortable. I blamed this on my self and my issues, off course. I witnessed many times Sri Sris arrogant behavior, and saw how he insulted people.

One sunny day at a course: I was feeling really horrible, and it was time for praising the guru. THat ment a line-up and thanking and telling how this has changed ones life for the better etc. I didn't feel like it, and I went away just some distance.. I had a need of clearing my mind and I somehow felt desperate, so I prayed to God: please show me the truth of this. Strangely I got a picture in my head, of a card house that started to collapse. The fog kind of cleared from my eyes and I saw the whole setting to be very akward. Like being on a drug and then sobering up, thinking, is this for real? Anyway I got called back to do my praising and I have never felt as false as I uttered something... It was the beginning of coming back to my senses.

I believe many things around Sri Sri are phenonoma, they are effective distractions from finding truth for one self. I have also experienced sri sri entering my energyfield as to speak.. - and I wonder if this is what they call siddhis... Today it acutally scares me, because I know I was open at the time, and his presence with me felt very real, in fact quite loveable - but also like a remotecontrol.

I really hope that people will dare to ask questions... for the sake of truth! - they are very liberating and essential but disconcerting at times.

But I also realize that many people are quite comfortable with their guru or scientology, or religions, sects, cults etc. because they believe they are benefitting from it, and this ego-belief!! is what gets manipulated and brainwashed more or less. It is much more uncomfortable to be asking for truth.. cause it does require your ego to blow..

Thank you OTOH and Jody for this blog.. I find it very helpful.. and I have no problem in seeing your motives as you also are stating them repeatedly. Those who God Bless in the end and beg you to take the courses, are just a little shaken, so they want to give you a drug-pill, hoping you will see what they see.. that Sri Sri is Divine above everyone else.

- InsideOut

 
At 6/10/2008 2:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

check this out, in Times of India, the BIGGEST DAILY, and this vouches for Guruji's sainthood

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Gujjar_row_Sri_Sri_Ravi_Shankar_set_to_mediate/articleshow/3117885.cms

 
At 6/10/2008 2:41 PM, Blogger jody said...

this vouches for Guruji's sainthood

All it "vouches" for is the fact he likes to grandstand. 10-to-1 the source of this "article" was the AoL PR department.

 
At 6/10/2008 2:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this anon is crazy, still crazy...getting visions of crumbling card houses, to SriSri entering his energy field to remote controlling him,blowing away of the ego....how weird!!!!!!!!

 
At 6/10/2008 2:52 PM, Blogger jody said...

this anon is crazy... SriSri entering his energy field to remote controlling him

It is weird, but that does disqualify the rest of his story, your desperate attempt to convince us otherwise.

 
At 6/10/2008 3:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon,
The craziness of what I wrote earlier is nothing compared to the stories that goes around in AoL-circles. Then I am happpy to hear you think it to be crazy, because it confirms that many of the things going on are waaay-out-crazy. I was telling about what I my self thought was weird, and this was the light-version. If I am crazy, I am happy to be so, because I managed to distance my self from the madness, and this was many yrs ago.

Re: remote control... sri sri had been bragging about entering the energyfield (my word)personalities of more than two hundred people, controlling them.

Isn't that really weird? - what if it contains any truth? - have you seen people being brainwashed before? - I have, and the guy grew up in TM village in England... poor lad.
- InsideOut

 
At 6/10/2008 4:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

... actually, when saying brainwashed, I also meant being controlled. In England in the early nineties, there was a little group of souls that managed to completely control one person I knew. They fullheartedly believed that their mission was valid and beneficial, and actually helping people. It was so detrimental and downright health-damaging.

Later I have witnessed what some would call exorsism.. but that is not the point of the issue here.. it is what people allow to enter.. and it often very subtle and it happens gradually... in many areas of life. Just think about it!!

- InsideOut

 
At 6/11/2008 5:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

InsideOut,

just curious

"I will tell something: years ago I got all ensnared and really felt Sri Sri as divine. Today I know it is a mirroring of that divineness in me."

did Sri Sri ever deny you the fact that any divinity you see in him is just because of your own reflection? Would it be honest to claim that he forced you into believing that he is more divine?

And looking at this whole from just a hindu point-i have not participated in any AOL activities but am an ardent nationalist and here to defend the hindu thought-
just the fact that you went to him,
and now you can see that all divinity is a mirroring of your own-isnt this what is called self realisation? i would conclude that directly or indirectly, learning from Sri Sri did get you some benefit, some insight-especially this one is a particularly cherishable one, just reply honestly and not with prejudice or bitterness please, remembering this
beautiful realisation that you have

 
At 6/11/2008 10:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, my reply to your question about seeing divinity reflected has not much to do with denying or forcing. I wholeheartedly value this type of recognition. At that time he also had a wonderful presence.

I have also met other people and situations that has "produced" similar reflections. It all sums up and this gives me insight into realizing the flow of divinity in all forms.. throughout the whole of existence.

Also, I do not have a problem with projecting divinity onto special people, statues, sacred places, the sun, moon, stars and saints. As long as people recognize that the viewed is the same as the viewer - we are all essentially ONE stream of life.

As for the hindu way which I know just a little, I don't mind the hindu way.. not at all. But what I do mind is when things that are perceived as pure, becomes corrupted. That can happen anywhere in the world.
- InsideOut : )

 
At 6/12/2008 9:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inside Out, thank you for your honest reply. I really appreciate your sharing that at that time he had a wonderful presence too.

"But what I do mind is when things that are perceived as pure, becomes corrupted. That can happen anywhere in the world."

Could it be that both are mere perceptions and the reality is independent of how it is perceived or not? Just as perhaps the perception of purity was because of your own realisation of your own purity, when you see some imperfection and your heart breaks, you see the same thing as corrupt-
people go through relationships, mongering love and hared cycles-which sometimes have nothing to do with the other person.

Just to take this opportunity to discuss some actual insight that you may have gained exploring all these stuff...rather tahn the bad parts alone

 
At 6/12/2008 1:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It boils down to discrimination, and it started with the question as to why I felt something was very wrong.

Truly today, I somehow believe Sri Sri is driven by some kind of ambition and not particulrly a sincere wish to help people realize truth for them selves - which I think is the only noble cause for a spiritual leader at that "size" !! (My opinion)

But pls. tell me if you know of his noble causes, his real mission.. I mean who am I to decide he is wrong! - he is just as much right in doing what he's doing as anyone - although I disagree.

The flaws are definitely seen by my eyes, and they can absolutely reflect something in me, but that doesn't make Sri Sri less "muddy". But who ever enjoys the show - must go on..

I simply prefer another boat towards the land of freedom. And mine is a cayak. Titanic sunk due to one captain. AoL has how many members? ~ ~

I contribute on this blog for those who might have felt what I did, and confirming for them that right - you'll be happier and more at peace & ease if you chose to at least open your eyes and acknowledge what ever truth beackons you.. - this is spiritual growth! - not being "cuddled" by a a flimflam with a dodgy past and muddy motives..
- inside Out

 
At 6/12/2008 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The flaws are definitely seen by my eyes, and they can absolutely reflect something in me, but that doesn't make Sri Sri less "muddy". But who ever enjoys the show - must go on.. "


I did not say they reflect anything in you, just that you see imperfection and you believe it as something of more value than all that "beautiful presence" or "purity" that you seemed to perceive. If as is argued by Jody here-the purity is nothing but your own perception-which by the way Sri Sri has said many times -"Nitya Shuddha Nitya Shanta Satchidaanandoham" that you are ever so pure and ever so peaceful--let me ask you inside out, have you heard the hours of Ashtavakra talks where he goes at length trying to convince the listener to drop the idea that self is something to be seen? All I am saying is if you study all the knowledge that he presents and find it all is useless in your life and then say-that is a valid argument. But if you try and make other people believe your own personal subjective perception of anyone else that is not anymore service than calling a tabloid article as an eye-opening service to humanity.

 
At 6/12/2008 1:49 PM, Blogger jody said...

that is not anymore service than calling a tabloid article as an eye-opening service to humanity.

I'm sure there have been many instances when tabloid articles have redeemed themselves by exposing fraud or corruption. Sri Sri isn't the only source of a "beautiful presence," nor is he the only one teaching one thing and living another. What he has are some former inner circle members who have rendered a different image than the one he tries to project. I feel this gives the views expressed here some credence, especially due to the fact they are often mirrored by commenting readers. And we shouldn't forget that Sri Sri's efforts at keeping that projection alive are very telling in and of themselves.

Just because something oozes what looks like sugar frosting doesn't mean it's not rotten underneath.

 
At 6/12/2008 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anon, seeing imperfection implies seeing perfection.. Let's just experiment for a second. Everyone is essentially perfect. The self cannot be seen, but it has various expressions. Those expressions are in the realm of wordliness. Now, from what I understand an enlightened person (have met several) is fearless with a very pure field around him/her. This purity stands out.. Good example is H.H.Dalai Lama. Another trait is deep respect for others, selflessness and obvious humility. They are true servants and inspire others to realize that they are enlighened too; right here & now - not in the future, after taking several courses and getting bankrupt, devastated, loosing ones footing, projecting silly things onto the whiterobed man trying to save the world..

So what really is his cause?
Create independent thinkers who would not even need a to chant OM to realise they are made of the same stuff as him.

Well he is doing good, for sure.. but I don't see his purity.. and therefore I doubt his intentions.

I gather you are quite intelligent, you are subtle in trying to make me realize that I could change my perception juuust a little. You said you are not an ArtofLiving devotee. You are a hindu nationalist defender.

I have not seen his Ashtavakra tapes, (heard of them) - but I have read the conversation beween King Janaka and the cripple (forgot the name) - Very beautiful, no doubt about that...

I do find some of his knowledge to be useful, but I do find other spiritual teachers far more interesting (and advanced) when it comes to reading... And I find the AoL knowledge quite annoying.

Why is he not spending more time on developing the knowledge - Some of us are not novices any longer.. (not even for the last 15 lifetimes) OM TAT SAT :)
- OutsideIn

 
At 6/19/2008 11:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

AoL knowledge is 99.9999% practical ;). Nothing of it is impractical. If things seems simple, it is because the simplest things are the hardest..

Truth is what is _not changing_. Searching for "truth" in the world gets you nowhere, but with knowledge, you can reinforce Truth as your own experience - that which is Not Changing (look it up - this whole blog is basically based on non-truth = that which is changing).

Merely reading about it, just thinking you are "enlightened", means it´s just stuck up in the head so to speak. This brings frustration, and until you take responsibility for your own feelings, you will suffer the karma for that pattern. Someone who takes action, knows the costs and skills needed to do good in today´s society, and will not critizise others so easily - but focus more on their own actions and meditation.

However, this requires _action_ on your part. You miss advanced knowledge in AoL, but where is your action? If not in AoL, find a place where you can be useful.

Last thing I wish to share is trust. Obviously, if you don´t trust AoL, I cannot recommend doing courses there. Go where your heart guides you - not out of bitterness, dejection and fear, but out of commitment, wisdom, action and love. In the beginning, and propbably for a long time, old and difficult feelings WILL rise up, so you have to wash it often with trust and faith.

You will anyways come to a place where you realize the world is beautiful, intricate and perfect, just as it has always been!

Even such a blog of ignorance of Truth, has important mirroring-effect of our Selves in our splendor and glory (not just one man´s as some people here are totally engrossed with). With owners who see themselves as "enlightened" (even while earning $200 in 6 months on a blog negating other´s good work I might add!). I wonder if there has been tax paid for those money?? Where is the accounting? What is the basis for all the bias? Why not quell your mind with knowledge instead of putting your own disturbances on public display? Etc, etc..

Watch where your mind is going, for it is lost!

Love and Sincerity

 
At 6/20/2008 12:57 AM, Blogger jody said...

AoL knowledge is 99.9999% practical ;). Nothing of it is impractical.

Sales fluff noted.

If things seems simple, it is because the simplest things are the hardest.

You mean, by keeping it "simple," we keep 'em stupid.

this whole blog is basically based on non-truth = that which is changing

So is this conversation, and all the rest of the other activities occurring in the world. What of it?

Merely reading about it, just thinking you are "enlightened", means it´s just stuck up in the head so to speak. This brings frustration, and until you take responsibility for your own feelings, you will suffer the karma for that pattern. Someone who takes action, knows the costs and skills needed to do good in today´s society, and will not critizise others so easily - but focus more on their own actions and meditation.

You are just a bundle of bumbling psych-ops, aren't you.

where is your action?

Right here, talking to the duped. Or is it the dupers in your case?

Go where your heart guides you - not out of bitterness, dejection and fear, but out of commitment, wisdom, action and love.

I'm sitting in that very spot right now! I haven't moved from it in years.

In the beginning, and propbably for a long time, old and difficult feelings WILL rise up, so you have to wash it often with trust and faith.

Translation: brainwash with trust and faith in self-promoting fauxrus.

You will anyways come to a place where you realize the world is beautiful, intricate and perfect, just as it has always been!

Your quaint yet utterly ignorant rendering of the understanding which accompanies self-realization is like paint applied directly to the spiritual eyes.

Even such a blog of ignorance of Truth

You mean: a blog on to Sri Sri's ignorance, and worse yet, exploitation of Truth as a means of personal gain, at the expense of that very truth.

has important mirroring-effect of our Selves in our splendor and glory

More completely ignorant nonsense about nondual truth. What you sell to the dupes we ain't buying around here.

With owners who see themselves as "enlightened"

Heaven forbid! We're just jerks who think we know.

while earning $200 in 6 months on a blog negating other´s good work I might add!)

I guess it's working, seeing as it got your panties all into a wad.

I wonder if there has been tax paid for those money?? Where is the accounting?

Now there's some specious comparison.

Why not quell your mind with knowledge instead of putting your own disturbances on public display? Etc, etc..

We be quelling around here, Jack.

Watch where your mind is going, for it is lost!

Don't look now! Yours too!

Love and Sincerity

Buried under a mountain of self-serving ignorance and manipulation of spiritual truth.

 
At 6/20/2008 5:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

: )...( :
I must say you seem to know an awful lot about me.. to the point of predjudice perhaps.

I am assosiating myself with
people who come from their heart, people who are devoting time for helping others in very practical ways. People I know are independent seekers on the path, and we share much love and joy. We have great philosophical discussions, we even have different gurus at different times. We are doing deep-process-work.

The world is beautiful, right now. I meditate everyday and I would love for my mind to get completely lost..

- insideout -

 
At 6/20/2008 5:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and anon.. please don't tell me what to do and how to think...
your love and sincerity goes down the drain of hypocricy!!

 

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