Nithyananda's Little Asuras Play The Terrorism Card
File under: Gurus Doin' Time and The Siddhi of PR
When their threat of violence landed with a thud (ending up on the desk of a local law enforcement officer,) Nithyananda's little demons had to come up with a new plan; to whit: make fraudulent claims of terrorism, (and even more laughably, black magic,) to the FBI:
Did you guys know there are sufficient laws to put fanatics and fundamentalists like these blog posters behind bars? I have heard that there have already been complaints to FBI and there is an investigation in progress.Oh yeah, they also threw in some good old fashioned obscenity:
There is news that these posters who abuse Nithyananda and other swamis are black magic practitioners who want to destroy hindu dharma and tradition.
Your druggist and black magic background is well-known. You cant escape by feigning innocence. One of the other posters in this site is also known to practice black majic in his yard with skulls and skeletons. There is clear evidence. I know that there have been life threatening letters received and you and some other posters on this site and others are in the list of suspects. Investigation going on. Wait and see.
Can anyone prove that this website is not run by some sort of terrorist group? Already the druggist connection of the blog owner and some suspected posters is well-known. Someone should be looking into the defamation and terrorism angle on this? When then [sic] happens, the number of days these bloggers spend wallowing in filth in the name of freedom would be numbered.
You a**ole Jody, dont you have any morals. you seem to lick your dick and live in shit and f*k your mother everyday and what else can be expected out of you.Nice, eh? That Nithyananda sure knows how to instill love in his devotees. Too bad they're dumb as paint. While we doubt that anyone has talked to the FBI, we're quite sure if we are investigated, they will see, as anyone else who actually reads this site can see, that we are merely skeptical of superstitious claims made by gurus, and we drive home the point by making fun of them. There is no hate here, let alone terroristic threats. In fact, there has never been any call to violence in a blog post, outright or implied, since we launched in March 2005.
can you also write about what your favorite position in which you f*k your mom...
and whose sh*t do you like the most....what do you think when you have your faced burried in your dad's ass with your tongue caught deep in it....
Apparently, Nithyananda plays to the cheap seats in India, although now we are curious as to how far up the chain of command this little operation is being orchestrated. What all these folks are failing to see is that for every reaction against this site, many more people come to read it. Not that we're asking for it, but the whole thing is playing right into our hands. Here's a hint, folks: ignore us. We're just one teeny weeny voice with very little credibility, although with these latest efforts, even that is sure to be augmented in contrast to the complete lack of credibility of these attacks.
Oh, one more thing. Pray that the FBI does not launch an investigation, because if they do, they're going to be coming after you for making false statements to a federal officer. That is likely to land you in jail and result in an investigation of Nithyananda and his org, perhaps resulting in a visa denial the next time he wants to come to the States. The boy wonder guru better reel in his ranks before they blow it big time.
Labels: Gurus Doin' Time, The Siddhi of PR
posted by guruphiliac @ 5:04 PM
91 Comments:
Why does one have to be just a Nithyananda devotee to question this blog? Anyone with some intelligence and sense of gratitude for Hindu dharma and swamis will see thru the filth of this blog site. For the record, I am a proud follower of sanatan dharma. Your website is clearly anti-hindu and funded by fanatics and fundamentalists. Now you are begging for mercy that you are just a small teeny weeny site etc. If you dare question Hindu swamis and superstitions, do you have the same guts to do the same about muslim clergy, islamic traditions or christian evangelists. you'll be sh*tting in your pants to even think of doing that if you are honest or it is clear that you are funded by some terrorist group that is hell-bent on defaming hindu swamis. There is going to be legal action taken by a lot of people and all the culprits made answerable to law.
Here's the truth. I am the only one who has anything to do with this blog. It is "funded" only by myself, and the whole idea is a joke, since this is on a free Blogger account. However, I do receive two comped cases of GURU energy drink every month. Check it out, it's excellent: http://www.guruenergy.com/#/store/
Obviously, you have not read the whole site. These are blind reactions, seemingly based on very sketchy hearsay.
I attack the idea that anyone can be more God than anyone else. The Upanishads tell me this is true. Anyone who understands these books knows that the Atman is ever-present, shining equally in all, regardless of state of understanding. A guru or swami may have realized their Atman, but they know they are no more God than anyone else because of it. If they believe otherwise, they are deluded. If they don't believe but still claim to be divine, they are criminal. These are the reasons I write this blog.
I don't go after Christianity or Islam because nobody from those religions is claiming to be God. That's what this blog is about, the idea that enlightenment makes you more divine. I realize this is a very old idea in Hinduism, but it's wrong, pure and simple.
I love Hinduism. I am an initiated shakta. I've attended countless pujas. But I am convinced that superstitions notions about enlightenment are preventing enlightenment much more than desire or anything else.
In the case of Nithyananda, he is guilty of miracle-mongering. If Ramakrishna were in a grave rather than dust under the Ganges, he'd be rolling. He may have claimed to be divine, but the idea of siddhis absolutely disgusted him.
I know none of this is going to get through to your lot, but I want to give the reasonable folks a chance to know just where I'm coming from.
You're doing yourselves no favors by going batshit over some random guy's opinions. It only proves how out-there you are...
And I'm sorry... doesn't the material in the post and Anon's comment boil down to trying to take someone's freedom of speech and opinion away by means of threatening them? Isn't that a form of terrorism in itself?
I have followed this blog a bit since a year and I hope I understand the nuances and subtleties of it well. I am Indian and a Hindu too.
The Atman is present in everyone always. Some realized it and some have academic understanding and some do not have even a hunch.
Atman is also translated as God. Every religion has its own interpretations of what God is. But the Upanishadic God is not a God comparable to a biblical or islamic God. Infact the upanishad declares God as achala (unmoving). In other words it is sort of dysfunctional. there is no glory to God. Not even praising the Lord.
Jody ! while I enjoy your posts here most of the time, I see that you assume a standpoint where everyone is absolutely equal. Thats bit of a commie attitude. Perhaps thats the stand of a radical leftist.
There is a qualitative difference between a true realizer of Atman and someone who is academic about it. Do you atleast agree with this difference between two, with regards to their thought and action ? Atman is present "equally" in everyone but the beings through which it manifested can be inequal?
While anyone who demands a special attention because he realized is condemnable, we cant ignore that a realizer of Atman indeed stands apart from the rest of us in some ways ?
Perhaps from the realizer point of view there need not be any difference but from non-realized individual who is still trained to see the differences would have to deal with differently ?
Just my train of thoughts...
I see that you assume a standpoint where everyone is absolutely equal. Thats bit of a commie attitude. Perhaps thats the stand of a radical leftist.
Everyone is absolutely equal in terms of their possession of nondual consciousness. While their reckoning of that may be different, that doesn't change their status as infinite beings, whether or not they have access to an experiential understanding of that.
There is a qualitative difference between a true realizer of Atman and someone who is academic about it.
There is no difference between these two as beings in the world, other than that one has an experiential reckoning of nondual truth, and the other has an intellectual speculation. It is a simple turn of perception that allows the experiential understanding to come to light. It's not magic, nor does it comes with special powers to heal or enlighten others.
Do you atleast agree with this difference between two, with regards to their thought and action ? Atman is present "equally" in everyone but the beings through which it manifested can be inequal?
There is no manifestation of the Atman whatsoever. As you said, God is achala. Thus, while the realizer of the Atman has an experiential understanding of the Atman, it gets him/her nothing other than that experiential understanding.
While anyone who demands a special attention because he realized is condemnable, we cant ignore that a realizer of Atman indeed stands apart from the rest of us in some ways ?
A realizer stands apart only in one, very specific and ultimately dismissible way, they know the Atman. While that is a good thing, it's not a big deal in the end, regardless of what your religious indoctrination is telling you, in my opinion.
I'm glad you have reported these nasty threats to the authorities, Jody.
Now I'm donning my skull necklace and nipping off to my back yard to have a go at this black magic--might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.
Jody has beautifully summed up what Enlightenement means. Hence no need to embellish it further.
However I do notice one big flaw among hindus. When confronted with facts & first hand information , they invariably cry wolf...Islam & Christianity are behind this yadayada.
Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsar Himself has warned about the mushrooming of a lot of false prophets. So has Veda Vyaasar !
Wow, that was quite some post. I'm persona non grata with the cult of Nithyananda, but I never been threatened quite like that. I have, however, received my fair share of threats from this cult. Most notably, I received threats from Mr. Nithyananda's right-hand-chief-of-thugs, Sri Nithya Bhaktananda Swami, a.k.a. Gopal Sheelum. He's threaten to 'come over' and 'talk to me', and 'he'll find me', but he usually has the good taste to leave my mother out of this, and he's not quite so 'tongue–in–cheek' as your poster child. With Nithyananda's inner-circle, the violence is there, but they are much more disciplined than this poster.
I would not be at all surprised that if in the near future, the FBI and other government agencies investigate Mr. Nithyananda and his fraudulent organizations. Then all of Mr. Nithyananda's dark secrets will come out.
I agree. That Swami Bhaktananda is bad news. I've seen this violent ogre get real mad if anyone slightly questions him or his master. I've seen Bhaktananda push and yell to the point that he really hurt people. It is disgusting. I think Swami Bhaktananda does a good job of keeping people away from Nithyananda. Maybe that is his service. I would never want to be like Swami Bhaktananda. Yuck!
you said
...A realizer stands apart only in one, very specific and ultimately dismissible way, they know the Atman. While that is a good thing, it's not a big deal in the end, regardless of what your religious indoctrination is telling you, in my opinion....
It is no big deal to you. It may not be big deal many people. Perhaps it need not be the same to some people. I know that there are many Hindus in India who dont care a damn about Self Realization or the Atman. There are some Hindus who make a lot of fuss about it too. It is the religious freedom one exercises.
While someone like you who has exposure to the Hindu scriptures but had a upbringing quite different from Hindus in India, the difference can have a obvious telling. While Realization of Atman does not entitle to magic and miracle, the reverence paid to the realizer is a cultural exercise which might appear alien to you.
Why do you want to hurt the sentiments of some people who might want to follow the culture so ingrained in them?
I don't believe that Jody or others here want to hurt people who believe in the Indian spiritual culture they were raised in or have taken on. We are interested in what is truth and what is healthy. The so called "masters" who use deceit to gather their devotees should be exposed, just like milk fresh from the cow is first poured through a cotton filter and then heated to remove impurities. When Indians do a better job of this at home, people like Jody will be put out of business. IMO, Jody is a far better example of a spiritual person that Nithyananda.
Betty said
The so called "masters" who use deceit to gather their devotees should be exposed, just like milk fresh from the cow is first poured through a cotton filter and then heated to remove impurities.
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My good ol'friend (bite me) betty, milkin' the cow has been a fantasy since my milk tooth days and now you brought this topic in this here esteemed forum, it heartens me to relive my fantasy all over again. Besides, my wise buddy, mule owner from dime box will be happy to network his mounting mule with your milking cow, when its heat is too hot. Dya hear me chuckjiiii?
Betty ! had I known you are a cowgal, I would have behaved a lot better. I caint disrespect a cowgal cuz they all come from same tribe as famous cowboy krishna does.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare !!
betty writes:
" When Indians do a better job of this at home, people like Jody will be put out of business. IMO, Jody is a far better example of a spiritual person that Nithyananda ".
Absolutely , absolutely!
Indians would never be able to accomplish this as in my opinion most of them lack clarity of thought and a mind sans prejudices. People whose opinions have some value turn out to be agenda bearers.....saviours of (sic) hinduism.
To the Anonymous who says:
" the reverence paid to the realizer is a cultural exercise which might appear alien to you...."
Nithyanandas to Ravishankars are in no way haloed realizers in my opinion.
The best reverence one can show to the Enlightened Guru is to abide by His Teaching.
Semblance I have milked far more goats than cows and consider the milk a healthier option. In either case straining with cheese cloth is essential, although I never really felt the need to boil before drinking. So I think you will have to remove me from mental association with Lord Krishna. As for the rest of your impertinence, bite me!
"A realizer stands apart only in one, very specific and ultimately dismissible way, they know the Atman. While that is a good thing, it's not a big deal in the end, regardless of what your religious indoctrination is telling you, in my opinion"
This is the most idiotic statement I ever read! knowing the atman is not a big deal? Jody- are you on drugs...again?
knowing the atman is not a big deal?
Ultimately, it's not, because it's who we are at all times, whether we know it or not. Thus, coming to know it is only a recognition of what has always been.
Knowing ourselves as the Atman does not add anything other than that simple recognition, which is really only a subtle perceptual shift.
Your making it a big deal is the primary reason that you aren't seeing yourself as that right now.
Semblance, good buddy, I aint had much to say cause of bein laid up with the gout! Too much fried okra and organ meats and such... Seems like we had more to say to each other when we were feudin! I suggest you pick a fight with yours truly and we can see where it leads to. I'll lead off with the suggestion that our Dime Box First Baptist softball team could beat the socks off your Radha Krishna Temple team!
Chuck said
our Dime Box First Baptist softball team could beat the socks off your Radha Krishna Temple team!
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Forget it, you said something terrible. Krishna in my humbal opinion is the biggest soft ball player of all hallowed ones of all times. No beatin this fact. Consider the 18 thousand and odd gopis who were playing round him. Jeezz..what soft ball did the good lord on the cross had to play with? he couldnt reach his own. I wonder why they did not nail 'em too.
Chuckji ! I want to be decent but you just provoked me with the soft ball issues now. Now this ain't one more pastime but just showin your plain redneck ignorance about how much ball game playin' goes on round with krishna and his devotees. Your first baptist stand nowhere when it comes to playin' soft balls.
semblancE, i said soft ball and you come out of the bull pen chunkin rocks! Well the Good Lord has done prepared me for this here conflict by havin me born so poor we couldn't afford no ball and had to play with rocks! Number one, if you been payin attention to the news in India you would know that the "Gopis" were not gals at all but men with tiny balls wearin dresses! This here has finally come to light and there's a growin number of Indian males dressin and livin as gopis. It's gonna be hard for them to play th field dressed as such when my texicans come to bat! We play barefoot and love the feel of plop betwixt our toes, my friend!
Number two, while you growd up fantasizen about bein Krishna flouncin around the woods with boys dressed as girls, I was up in a pecan tree pretendin to be Jesus crucified for the sake of humanity! Butt my dreamin always come around to the cross becomin a fighter plane and Jesus flyin that plane to Japan... 30 seconds over Tokyo, good buddy! Were damn sure ready for the game to begin!
Chuck Maharaj said...
the "Gopis" were not gals at all but men with tiny balls wearin dresses!
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Thats just a cover up story by the holy cows of India. They protectin women to be chaste by tellin lies like this. Krishna indeed had a "ball" with em all.
But I heard your dime box baptist church members playin some kinda ball game of their own..
Quarterback Sneak - Church members quietly leaving during the invitation.
Draw Play - What many children do with the bulletin during worship.
Half-time: - The period between Sunday School and worship when many choose to leave.
Benchwarmer - Those who do not sing, pray, work, or apparently do anything but sit.
Backfield-in-Motion - Making a trip to the back (restroom or water fountain) during the service.
Staying in the Pocket - What happens to a lot of money that should be given to the Lord's work.
Two-minute Warning - The point at which you realize the sermon is almost over and begin to gather up your children and belongings.
Instant Replay - The preacher loses his notes and falls back on last week's illustrations
Sudden Death - What happens to the attention span of the congregation if the preacher goes into "overtime."
Trap - You're called on to pray and are asleep.
End Run - Getting out of church quick, without speaking to any guest or fellow member.
Flex Defense - The ability to allow absolutely nothing said during the sermon to affect your life.
Halfback Option - The decision of 50% of the congregation not to return for the evening service.
Blitz - The rush for the restrooms following the closing prayer.
Semblance, all very interestin and true! You forgot one little problem that likely aint got no name... Thats when a young feller is asked to participate in the passin out of the Lord's supper, the cracker and the wine-- or the grape juice if you live in a dry county--- and when the poor boy has got to stand up in front of the congregation, the Good Lord has chose that very moment to raise the flag up his pole! The poor boy has got to stand there handlin the body and the blood of the Lord in full view of his friends and neighbors lookin like a draw bridge has been raised in his drawers!! This here used to happen to yours truly with regularity until I started wearin a jock strap to church! Its one of the thangs that convinced me the Good Lord has a sense of humors!
Chuck man you just got pounded... 1 up.. team India...
Chuck man you just got pounded... 1 up.. team India...
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anonymush ! Pounding chuck mahraj is nobody's business and its not particularly a ball game. But it'd be something like hoppin up on a trampoline and never see the end of it as you jump everywhere. Watch out whatdya say bout a man who will humble himself for a smell of fried okra and a rub of the corncobs.
Also you pushin me to behaive like nithy's li'l asura cuz me and chuck are like brothers in arms -that is when chuck is not tryin' his overall and when Im not rubbin the golden weeds.
The more I have learned about Nithyanandan, the more I realise that its not just some run of the mill guru courting disciples. I see a very organised and a methodical business scam much like the MLMs. I was really distraught recently when I saw a few foreigners(here I mean non-Indians ) pick some Gita translation by Nithyananda when there was an excellent one by S. Radhakrishnan lying next.
Naradmuni said...
The more I have learned about Nithyanandan, the more I realise that its not just some run of the mill guru courting disciples. I see a very organised and a methodical business scam much like the MLMs. I was really distraught recently when I saw a few foreigners(here I mean non-Indians )
Saar - your name should be ettappan saar, instead of narad, it would be most suitable. You are the same ettappan who was coming as anonymous all the time saar.
Semblance thanks for defendin my ass! Mayhaps I could use some of those golden weeds of yours... Of course, who won the first innin is up to the Good Lord and he tells me that the friendship you have done shone to a galoot sufferin the pains of gout puts a check mark on your side of the score card! Congratulations mu friend!
I remember Nithy and his Narada Sutra talks. Nithy equates blind obedience and slavish acceptance of abuse as devotion.
There is a video on the fraud guru Nithyananda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyVYRITHs9k
Anon wrote...
> The Atman is present in
> everyone always. Some realized
> it
You can make guesses about what some other people have or haven't realized. You can hear or read claims about what some other people have realized, and repeat the claims as if you know them to be true.
A more relevent and interesting matter is what you yourself realize. You're the authority on your own experience, but not on claims about what "some" have realized.
> while I enjoy your posts here
> most of the time, I see that
> you assume a standpoint where
> everyone is absolutely equal.
Where's the evidence? Where's even a single quote where Jody has claimed that everyone is absolutely equal? Without such evidence, you're just making things up and projecting them.
In a box of animal crackers, there are bears and lions and giraffes; each one has a different name and shape. But they're all made from the same dough, and all have the same taste.
There's a teaching that all beings have the same nature, the same substance. Used correctly, it can be a helpful teaching. In no sense does "same nature/substance" mean that everyone is "absolutely equal"; we have different names, different appearances, different ideas and opinions, etc.
> There is a qualitative
> difference between a true
> realizer of Atman and someone
> who is academic about it.
Why make guesses about "a true realizer of Atman"? Why not speak from your own experience? Repeating dogma from a book about realizers of the Atman is just parroting... but if you speak about your own experience, you have some authority.
You can create any distinctions you want with your thinking. You can divide the world into those who have been Saved by Jesus and those who are UnSaved. You can hold opinions that this person is a True Realizer of the Atman and that person is a non-Realizer. You can divide the population into Good and Evil according to any sort of dogma.
Make these distinctions as you like... but it's delusion to pretend that the distinctions aren't made by your own thinking.
Stuart
So beautifully explained by Stuart !
Jody ,
There is another popular & rich 'guru' called Muralidhara Swamigal. Unmarried , ex chartered accountant. Like the rest he also has all those 'charities & donations ' like free meals , Veda Pathasala , huge Ashramam with greenery , recycled insipid presentations of Ramana Bhagavan's Sat Darshan (Ulladu Naarpadu in Tamil) etc.
One of his ardent followers tried his best to thrust into my hand his mp3s saying :
" On each verse of Bhagavan's Teaching muralidhara guruji has recorded 40 cds ".
I heard him say " Australians are the descendants of (sic) convicts who were exiled whereas we are from Rishis ".
Not only is it outrageous but CERTAINLY not becoming of someone who claims to have read Ulladu Naarpadu.
As it is Indians are swollen headed. Their own fondness for fair skin gets twisted in a warped way to brand all Whites as (sic)
'racist '.
Considering the recent violence in Australia being justified by many self righteous Indians these inflammatory gurujis ought to be held accountable.
Nowhere does Ramana Bhagavan make a single reference to any caste , religion , nation or colour.
Bhagavan's Ulladu Narpadu in fact , made me jettison all fanatic isms including patriotism . As He says:
" The Entire Universe Is My Ashramam ."
Anon,
Honestly don't waste your time in the blog giving knowledge and stay with the subject - Bash the gurus and expose their not so guru like activities. I am sure you can find great forums and audience to absorb knowledge like the one of Ramana maharish u mentioned. Not that I would not like you to post them here, but find and share it in the right places.
This is a fun site(Sponsored by jody who most likely may be a victim of a Guru/Swami at some point in his life or who became a rational thinker after going through some of this) with information on SOME self styled gurus capitalizing on innocent people.
Who is this insane man called Chuck who will even stoop to say that the Gopis were men dressed as womens? The man has no regard for the Indian spiritual culture and no understanding of it as well. I say shame on Mr. Chuck.
"Anonymous" wrote:
"Who is this insane man called Chuck who will even stoop to say that the Gopis were men dressed as womens?"
Offhand, I'd say he's a rather funny fellow who isn't hobbled by subcontinental ethnocentrism.
"The man has no regard for the Indian spiritual culture and no understanding of it as well."
You might find it a useful exercise to separate the precious essence of (Indian or any other) "spiritual culture" from its largely arbitrary and disposable trappings -- it's really quite crucial to avoid mistaking the menu for the meal if one is truly sincere about inner enquiry.
"I say shame on Mr. Chuck."
I say shame on those who invoke "shame" on such a shamefully shallow basis. :-)
Cousin Bruce, I dont rightly get at what you are sayin but I shore liked the sound of the words!
Peremptorily , condescendingly conceited Anonymous@ 9:35 ,
The answer is contained in your own comment..." expose their not so guru like activities ".
I find the Indian spiritual culture confusing. How can the follower bow down and revere the self-annointed master while at the same time try to drop the ego and go beyond the personal set of beliefs and ego identities to achieve enlightenment?
Wouldn't a true guru teach followers to put the kaibosh on all cultural indoctrinations?
Wouldn't a true guru teach followers to put the kaibosh on all cultural indoctrinations?
You would think so. But believe it or not, that's not what folks are going for. They are looking for a space-mommy or daddy, a God-figure to allow them to believe they are protected and worth something. A real guru would show them they were worth something by fostering their independence, from culture and the guru, but that isn't what people want to pay for. It's about comfort rather than responsibility. They want to be happy, feel protected and imagine they are making some kind of progress to something that's always on the end of their nose.
"A real guru would show them they were worth something by fostering their independence, from culture and the guru, but that isn't what people want to pay for"
Exactly. Meanwhile, we find nothing but not-so-real gurus who have no problem taking their money, while encouraging dependence and surrender to them.
And the culturally indoctrinated go merrily along...
lol thats some good shit Jody, this ongoing shit with Nithy is better then a classic Seinfeld episode. I mean he has his Nithy zombies so twisted and so delusional, have you checked out the Nithyananda holy hooker thread on you tube latley it has had over a thousand hits these past two weeks, some really good anti Nithy discussion going on. Well keep up the good work Jody, the thing that is so hilarious is that Nithy zombies really believe they are on to some fast track to enlightenment or whatever the hell they are looking for. In reality they are merely pawns in Nithy's mission to conquer the world and establishes as many money making scams as he can.
Ok guys this is the problem that is occurring here with the Indians and others who believe people like myself Jody and others who post here are into black magic or wishing bad things upon Guru's. Speaking for myself I graduated from High school a year early, and come from a educated family and am college educated. What I try to do and others on this blog is I try to point out the obvious. The example I use with Nithy and his high priced classes is that if you go to free yoga and such you will experience the same amount of bliss that nithy promises for his thousand dollar classes. Really what this blog is about is educating gullible people against the scams that these big money gurus operate all around the world. The bottom line is if your unhappy and you life is shit at the very best case scenario you will fall victim to the cult tactics that Nithy's org. uses. Thats why so many members swear by him, their life was shit before they joined, yet when they get indoctrinated into the cult they believe they are really part of something big just like those crazy people back in 1993 with david koresh at the compound in texas thought look wat happened they all burned to death. Guys this blog is a blessing if ur just reading it now and ur in nithys cult think of it as free counseling, myself and jody and others here are not wish anything bad on nithy besides being held accountable for possible crimes his org. may have committed. thats all i got peace :)
There's no use reasoning with these folks, Darin.
"Why does one have to be just a Nithyananda devotee to question this blog?"
Because..."Anyone with some intelligence and sense of gratitude for Hindu dharma and swamis will see thru the filth of this blog site."
that stinks like astroturf.
Jody writes :
" There's no use reasoning with these folks, Darin ".
Precisely. The sanest counsel given.
Jody has diagnosed right the malady. Indians are looking for space daddy to bring some utopia.
Either they lick the feet of politicians , filmstars , cricketers or avatards. Period.
Sharing a story:
There was this person with long beard & other tell tale signs of a guru with an idiotic smile & glazed look. Predictably , herdlike a lot of Indians followed him with offerings , prostrations , shouts of long livegurudev...They sat zombified for many years.
At last , some of them grew restless asking him questions that made him guffaw. He replied:
" The original Guru came & left long time back. I am just a decoy as He wanted to be undisturbed ".
Nice story the problem is Nithy truly believes he is God's gift to man and if you listen to some of his discourses he hints or in some cases tells stories about how he holds super natural powers. There is one discourse where he explains during one of his enlightening moments he could see three hundred and sixty degress around him like having eyes behind his head, his friend then asked him to describe the scene behind him and of course in the discourse he has the whole crowd astonished when he says he described exactly what the scene was behind him. I am trying to think of a good description of Nithy's malady or an example of people in history oh wait here is one Bill w. from AA he had all of the drunks past and present believe that they also suffered from the same symptoms as himself when in reality Bill W. was a complete mental case and borrowed all of the steps from a now defunct org. called the oxford group and wrote the steps to keep members locked into the program but thats for a different conversation, yet Nithy is good at twisting words and keep a good front with his boy like charm bill w. didn't have the charm but I think if you cross reference both you can see how they both were very and still are good at keep a cult alive. peace.
btw jody my new macbook pro took its first fall my dog was about to throw up on the carpet, trying to move her away it fell, thank god for the unibody no harm done lol peace :)
Another story :
There was this man who had some marital discord with his wife called Thilaka. He left in a huff , set up an ashram with many followers.
Soon grew restless , yearning to mend fences with Thilaka as enforced celibacy & nonstop bhajans were stultifying.
When everyone was asleep , took all the money and left for his native town. He was dismayed to find a huge crowd gathered before his house all carrying fruits, flowers, sweets, money , & such offerings. He asked someone :
" What is the matter...what are you people waiting for "?
Was poleaxed on hearing the reply:
" Looks like you don't belong to this town. Have you not heard of the divine Mata Thilakaji , the soothsayer who solves all kinds of problems health , monetary , marital...".
Darin ,
Exactly. But Bhagavan emphatically warns , predictions of past , present , future or clairvoyance , clairaudience none of these necessarily mean such a person is God.
Those fall under ' siddhis '. When Swami.Vivekananda told Ramakrishna P he was able to look into the future , Ramakrishnar asked him to discontinue his sadhanas for a while.
Science & technology that have invented ships that sail in water or aircrafts that fly are as similar to the powers of those who can walk on water or fly.
When one such person showed off before Aadi Shankara by flying , the former smiled , sprinkling holy water & blessing :
" There , I have turned you into a Crow. Fly to your heart's content ".
In Geetha , Lord Krishna Himself says:
" For deities of prosperity (riddhi) & of miraculous powers (siddhi) who work as maids of honour for Goddess lakshmi ,these are like building of toy houses , that become the Heavens.
Then would not Indra and other gods become their dolls ? When they become fed up with their toy houses & break them , even the great Indra & other gods become beggars.
Those who worship petty deities & spirits , to acquire magical powers , join them with the fall of their bodies. Their acts bear fruits appropriate to their desires.
When the moon pales before the Sun , these are but like glow worms trying to show off its light.
Without casting off all ideas of greatness & vanity one cannot Know Me ."
This is exactly what Jesus Christ also says but in a different language.
So why are hindus so violently agitating ?
Nithyananda is a beautiful being. While his organization is less than desirable, I don't see the point in slandering his name over and over again. From my personal experiences with him I can say he has taught me a lot, and has blessed me with his grace. Regardless of what anyone says, none of you can actually judge him until you have met him. For now you are just operating from your projections and transferences. Before you make an asinine comment about "drinking the kool aid", know that I don't follow him, nor is he my Guru. He is however, helping many people attempt to make positive choices in their lives. It's not YOU to judge the actions of others. That being said if people want to spend 8k to be with him in India for three months, what does that have to do with you? It's their choice, and their karma. People spend much more money a year on unhealthy choices ie drugs, alcohol etc. If just one person authentically opens their heart because of Nithyananda's presence, then his whole Lila is worth it.
Listen anonymous all I do is point out the obvious and logical facts because many people truly believe that the 8 grand will some how bring them closer to God which in all reality would be better off distributed into our economy here in the States. I just find the whole notion silly that people have to pay money to do yoga and meditation with Nithy. I mean Nithy is not a US citizen I doubt he really wants to sue me or anyone else for slander and if he does its just silly also because this is the Internet where people can freely comment on topics. If you find the comments offensive why not just stay on you tube and watch the massive amount of discourses his org. distributes instead of getting upset because some people have a different opinion of him.
"...if one person authentically opens his heart to nithyananda's presence..."
Spoken like a true devotee.
To anonymous devotee:
Save your money and time on gurus.
Just authentically open your heart to everyone's presence.
These isn't another swami as vain as nithy. he posed again and again for his photos. image is everything.
Nithy also loves GOLD big time. How many real swamis love gold so much?
by the way, the public cannot take pics of him.
the sad thing is many very sincere spiritual aspirants are lost to his charm and deception.
This blog let those who left or considering leaving to know that they are not alone.
Hi Anon, Nithy is beautiful being until you get closer. Then you see the tyranny, mind control and the exploitation.
It is him, he is responsible for his organization.
First off Darin, I'm merely operating from the other half of the coin. If people who are on the fence about Nithyananda come onto this blog then I am merely providing them with a more positive standpoint. Once again, have you met him or attended any of his programs? If you did and had a negative experience than your opinion would be valid, but as of now it sounds like your operating from your projections and transferences. I am not a devotee of his, though he will always have a place in my heart, which is why after months of reading this misinformed and slanderous blog, I felt the need to speak my truth. I'm more than comfortable with my spiritual process and feel that opening my heart to myself and others is what it's all about. That being said every soul has their karma. Every instance is perfect in the grand equation of existence. I know many people who, like I said, have been graced with Nithyananda in their life. They all still have their logical and analytic mind. Once again, how many of you have ACTUAL proof of Nithyananda himself doing these "negative and manipulative acts?" Like I said before, his organization is less than desirable. I'm not a fan of his "head swamis", but that shouldn't affect the purpose of studying with Swamiji. The relationship is between the student and the master. You just need to be strong enough to tune out the nonsense around him. Once again he is not my Sadguru, but he was an upaguru and I am forever grateful for his grace.
Yes, Anon. I had attended many of his programs - including his 2007 Mission Training. It was then I realized sth wasn't right.
Nithy said he wanted to have his meditation methods more accessible. These were taught by volunteers who paid for their own training. He wanted them accessible, at the same time he raised the weekend fees of the meditation workshops (taught by local volunteers)from $150 to $250. At that time he wanted to have 50 students per workshop (that never happened) and scolded us volunteer trainees for our failure to get more students to the workshops.
I also saw how he abused many who had came from faraway for the training. If you decide to leave the training, there is no refund. Of course, one could call the credit card company and report the scam to cancel the charge.
He was also playing favoritism big time. If you are wealthy enough to contribute 10% of your pre-tax gross income, you are are treated better.
Joker, its not him who's calling the shots, and you know it. But thank you for your honesty. I greatly appreciate it from one soul to another.
Anon - it is not him who is calling the shots? Who is calling the shots? he may like us to believe that God is using his body he is simply allowing the Divine energy to flow thru.
What a cosmic joke!
Of course it is him calling the shots, if it was not for Nithy there would be no Life Bliss . Org. And anonymous I am not going to get dragged into the have you met him or not discussion thats for me to know and you and the rest of the world not to know. The bottom line is anonymous your in love with him and there is nothing wrong with that. Its I who have the problem with him and if you want to call it slander or bad mouthing thats fine, if its such a big problem you would think there would be more people on Jody's blog defending Nithy but just like anything Nithy is a passing fade and Nithy or any of his Nithy zombie will never get a penny from me so whatever. Have a nice day.
Darin writes:
"...which in all reality would be better off distributed into our economy here in the States ".
Absolutely.
Indians purposely never set their cerebral atoms at work. If pranayama & such specious pep talks alone can bring Peace , kurukshetra war would not have taken place. Lord Krishna would have exhorted kauravas & pandavas to do hatha yoga & breathing exercises , meditation kriyas.The extravagantly charities giving K(Karna(n) gets slain in the most ruthless way.
These charlatans function as ngos exempt from tax , preying on the gullibility of people. They ought to be put under scrutiny first.
You know, I find it strange that these “Devoted Devotees” come on to this blog to leave their defensive words about their guru. They know for a fact that this blog is to highlight the scam in the field of spirituality, but how have they come to reach this blog? They must have been searching on the web search engines for “Name of guru” plus “scam or cheat” and then land on this blog!
I mean if they really believed in their guru, they would not go around searching for a blog to read and then defend their guru. If they really believed in their guru they wouldn’t care to search any opposition to their guru.
It’s like this, I know for a fact that I exist. I wouldn’t go around the web to search for a blog that states that I do not exist to defend myself and convince people that I exist. I wouldn’t care if a bunch of people states that I do not exist! The only reason why I would care was if I doubted that I exist. It would then lead to various defenses.
These so called “Devoted Devotees” in truth deep down within themselves doubt the validity of their guru. This is why they come on this blog to leave their defensive statements. Its more likely they are trying to convince themselves of the validity of their guru than to convince anyone else.
In know it a cliché, but these people should at least be honest with themselves, even if they lie to others
If u read official autobiography of Nithy, u will read about all the baloney about his very special divine birth and a predestined time and place and the miraculous happening accompanying him. All the avatard baloney u care to read.
Also in his Guarantee Solutions (Life Bliss bible written by Nithy himself), nithy tells a story how a sick child spoke out to him in his language (a language the child couldn't had known) stating he didn't to be healed of his disability - the child supposedly had chosen a life with disability with loving parents to care for him.
So when he can't pull of healing for a kid, he can use this as an explanation to the parents begging for help. Very convenient.
He remains the supreme miracle healer.
Capitalizing on the insecurities and vulnerable seekers, he and other phonies will eventually experience justice, as is the nature of the cause and effect. He is surely a scared individual who feels very inferior to the gurus of his society who actually contributed positive change, for he needs to propogate and promote himself to feel better about himself. Truth will always be a beacon of light, fear not in exposing the false, the chinese proverb saying goes "Heaven arms those with compassion whom it would not see destroyed."
Anon@4:08 AM ,
So very true ! You actually snatched my thoughts. Remember , this guruphiliac blog was brought to Ravishankar's notice by some of his devotees. And he came up with some grandiloquent speech.
The people that come on this Blog to defend nithy and other spiritual scammers are just defending them because logic and their natural god given senses are screaming to them that they are in the midst of a cult that will stop at nothing until they fully convert that individual fully to be obedient to the leader of the cult. So yeah I think they come on here for a couple days couple months whatever and either wake up and quit the cult or keep going to it even though something is telling them its a phony organization.
If you have not been in a cult, you may not realize how hard it is to quit emotionally.
They are many smart dedicated spiritual aspirant in cults. At the beginning, they are only allowed to see the good about the leader. By the time the little things that doesn't add up start troubling them, they are told that the trouble is all in their mind.
They can do seva volunteer work with only a few hours of sleep (or none at all) each day to cure their questioning mind.
This is Anon@4:08 AM again.
I had been part of these cults from Kalki Bhagavan to AOL and many smaller not so well known cults as well. I do not understand why it would be so difficult to quit even if it’s emotionally tagged. I agree that once the cult’s indoctrinates starts, it get difficult since we do not actually “see” the miracles or supposed divinity of the cult leader. Speaking for myself, I started creating so called experiences because I was so desperate to progress spiritually and in a way kind of gel with the others too. It’s only when I took a real hard honest look at myself that I realized that I was fooling myself. Once I realized that, it was just a matter of stopping or leaving the organization.
People all over the world invest much more emotionally in relationships. If a relationship is turning sour, people break that relationship which is termed as a breakup and start over.
Now I can’t understand how it is more difficult to leave a cult than a relationship. Yes, when in the cult we build our social structure or friend circle around the cult members. When I left, I had to cut the ties with the other cult members and make new friends from scratch. It’s more like when to relocate to a new state or country. People do this all the time when they relocate.
All I can say is that it is not difficult to leave a cult. I think the only difficulty is being truly honest with oneself. The rest is just like any other similar actions we take in other spheres of life, be it relationships of relocation.
When I saw the light. I quit. So did many others.
What I meant was that there was a stage that several of us saw that things didn't add up, but slow to make a decision about our "enlightened master". That was the difficult stage as foolish hope springs eternal.
Nithy always said the the actions of the enlightened were beyond our limited mind. We need to do is trust him with devotion if he is allowed to helps us.
Jody, Islamic preachers do claim to be God/in touch with God. I have been a muslim... It is a pity you don't cover them as well. But I should warn you, I did run away from India due to this... Those people hire gundas to come after and kill you if you expose them.
Christian preachers such as St. Francis of Assis seem to claim the same... Let us not delude ourselves. As bad as any guru, look at all these peoples... Just to conclude, I am currently writing a survey on lying NGOs and how they lie and manipulate us, including environmental and other concerns...
Abusing trust and goodness is not exclusive domain of indian gurus. And maybe they aren't even the most dangerous ones...
Darin, how about the bllions of dollars flowing to our country from the rest of the world, due to christian exploitation? Please ward these off!
Regarding giving away money to gurus, each man does what he knows how to do... If he believes, and he wants it, or wants to waste, it is his problem. Jody's job is just to alert us to inconsistency on a guru.
But I should say, there is inconsistency even at UC Berkeley. I have seen many profs who sleep with my friends, and yet go about teaching... Are we going after them too? Let us not fool ourselves.
The only truth is: do what makes you happy. If it is being someone's slave, do that. If it is burning money, do that. That is all so simple... Certainly, nature will charge us for our errors. If it doesn't charge, and it makes you happy, then why not?
Jody's job is just to alert us to inconsistency on a guru.
My job is to take exception to gurus who present themselves, or allow themselves to be presented as God. Both Nithy and Sri Sri fit the bill.
Also, seriously, do people here accuse gurus, but then believe on black magic?
If you can believe in black magic, then gurus can give enlightenment rssss If there is no such thing as black magic, than you yourself can find enlightenment.
I laugh hard reading these comments. It is a comedy show. Distraught ex-members are as funny as radical current members. They believe in "magic", but yet the leader that "conned" them is doing "black magic" rssss Seriously ppl, please find some self respect and self confidence. That way no one can scam you, or even if you are scammed you will come out laughing.
Jody, I read that in the comment thread. Thanks for responding! I love the blog, it is so funny and enlightening at times.
But there are various muslim leaders who present themselves as God, or their incarnation. In fact, our root belief is that Allah was God who came down...
It is ok, if you are not after them. Or you decide to take exception in one faith over others. But I am just saying... Beyond these, here in the west, it seems to me even crazier. In India, western christian organizations manipulate, extort and give money to convert muslims in small cities...
Or you decide to take exception in one faith over others.
It's not my fault that Hindu-based gurus are the most prevalent of those who use the idea that they are God to make a living off the backs of the superstitious.
Jody writes:
" Hindu-based gurus are the most prevalent of those who use the idea that they are God to make a living off the backs of the superstitious ".
Yes. It is true. Most Indians also look upon God as some wish fulfilling agent.
Which is why Ramakrishna P says , most don't see God as most don't want God ( loose translation).
The ngos & various organizations that Free cites are run by Indians ( indians whose religion happens to be christianity).
May be the non-profit status of this Nithy cult need to be looked into.
Does Nithy care any about his devotees w/o money? Only if they make good slave sevaks.
A poor person working long hours at low-wage jobs to support her family is useless for Nithy. Such a person has no money for Nithy's pricey programs and no time to be a slave volunteer for him.
Jody, disagree with one comment:
Ramakrishna did accept existence of siddhis, but he said they were not good for a person who craves for them... That is very different from "not acknowledging siddhis". Anyway, have visions of the Goddess, or the drawing touch on the forhead he gave Vivekananda Swami, were also on the level of typical siddhis promoted by various hindu gurus...
See Ramakrishna Paramhamsa's own words here:
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Meditation/FAQ_on_Meditation/It_is_very_troublesome_to_possess_occult_powers.htm
If you want to reject all of these masters, I would buy that...
For those who havent seen it already..Another interesting blog to bring to light the dark pratices of Nithy, and regarding his credibility -http://nithyananda-cult.blogspot.com/
here u can read more about Nithy doings:
http://nithyananda-cult.blogspot.com/
http://nithyananda-cult.blogspot.com/ this is an excellent blog. It will add some sense in Nithyananda followers.
I pray to God to free these innocent souls from the clutches of dark Nithyananda power.
Jody,
I am an Indian (Tamil) living in Calgary,Canada.I have posted before. Today I have been cursed by my aunt saying "I will never come up in my "
"Thats why you are begging for a dollar even today"...
These stupid lot, the whole bunch of my family falen for this guy, Inspite of coming from a very intellectual and spirtiual quest family.
I have decided to do with them today. and I just want the US government, the CIA, the FBI to constantly watch him. (I hope they find this post by the keywords)
and one day bring him to the gallows..Because in India the government doesnt care, unles he does some crimina things and really it goes to the media or public.
Why dont some one start something that will investigate and put them behind bars?
Dont you have any laws in the US to protect civilians from being conned by conman like him?
(They dont have in India)
You guys are great!
I am a devote of Nithy, (love that nickname too actually) and have no issues with you keeping tabs on him. But don't paint everyone with the same brush. You must know it's the nutbars and crazy people that are going to act crazy. They're not enlightened eh. Nail them but don't judge the guru just because he's given them a place to feel welcomed. These behaviors are the exact reason why they need a guru. Given enough time, they might come around eventually.
Keep up the good work. Be honest.
Hi Jody , anything in the net is traceable. if some bastard is issuing threats here pls let us know. We can trace theem to their house. these bastards are licking th eballs of false swami and now it is the time to crush them as the iron is hot. Iam a hindu bhramin and i support ur blogs. This is all a trick to earn some money and we indians are foolish we fall at the feet of anyone who behaves like "sadhu". I have travellled in himalays and lived in caves . there was one time when villagers wanted to build ashrams for me , i had a hard time explaining them that iam no swami. keep it up anbd just let us know if you want to trace the son of a bitch who has threatened you.
Annamalai Annamalai aka Dr Commander Selvam Siddhar Swamiji claims he is LORd SHIVA IN HUMAN FORMAT - yes, human format!! He is in serious trouble with the law here in Atlanta (Norcross) area, but that does not stop him from filing numerous false and frivolous criminal and civil cases asgainst his detractors. Just google him and you will find a lot of stuff on AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) and FOX 5 I Team Investigations.
Hi my brothers and sisters, I am Brother Albert I worked for this evil man at his Hindu Temple
in Ohio and he never paid me one penny and stole all of my tools. Commander and
several of his pundits attacked me and hurt the man of God and I fed them and
clothed them. One day he called me up and said come and get your $10,000 dollars
that I owe you and me and 2 other men went to get paid but instead of that they
attacked me and injured my back and shoulder. He recorded me talking to him
every time I seen him and he edited the recordings. I was charged with 2 counts
of telephone harrasement. I was found guilty and got fined from the courts and
placed on probation. Then to top it off he sued me for defamation of character
and I had no money to defend myself and the courts awarded him a judgement in
the amount of $45,000. Through all this I lost my home and my wife but I still
hang on to that unchanging hand of God. He is my rock and my and my strength and
my shield. I would ask you to stand in
prayer with me to rid this world of this worker of darkness.
I speak it into the atmosphere Annamalai Annamali AKA Dr. Commander Selvam will
be punished for all the wrong doings he has done in this life to the human race.
Most of all he will suffer in this life & for eternity. My God JESUS & His God
Lord Shiva will take care of this worker of darkness. Please stand in prayer
together and continue to pray that our God will remove this evil demon from our
earth & cast him into the lake of fire for eternity. May God bless each and
every living soul that stands in Unity to rid this world of this worker of
iniquity and all the pundits that are helping this shameful worker of darkness.
The curse is upon him and shall never be removed. Lord Jesus, Lord Shiva, Lord
Ala father in heaven Lord God.
Man Of God! Albert Stidham 937 581-4044
I was born Hindu. I am an atheist now. You just write like a typical Hindu or Indian. You are so hasty in judging because you want to judge. You don't completely look into the matter. That is how most Indians are and they call themselves educated or enlightened or spiritual. I don't call myself an Indian anymore. I am just a human
Atman is bull shit. I am just here and my entire life is time pass and finally I die. These all are Hindu crap wrote by people who followed untochability and sati.
Good reply jody. I wish you continuous sanity. These are people like "it must be there..."
Apropos of the comments of Jody on the rich guru Muraldhara Swamy that he is an ex- chartered account, I wish to state that it is a blatant lie perpetrated by his followers, and connived at by him. He merely appeared for an interview to become an articled clerk for the prospects of becoming a chartered accountant, but found the religious profession more lucrative, conferring on him the respectability of the status of a religious guru. He isn't a realised man. His discourses are dull and insipid lacking both inner insights and intellectual erudition. He hasn't read a single religious scripture, but indulges in a worst palaver talking in a butler English. What does he know of the wisdom of the ancient Rishis of India. He is a most unconscious person that I have ever seen, having an woefully inadequate understanding of the teachings of J.Krishnamurti. All his talks are a sort of a caricature of the scripture. Such gurus are a disgrace to the spiritual land of India. He is basically a promoter of brahminism. When there are a lot of fools to be gulled by the tomfoolery of these buffoons, how will not they have a good harvest out of it.
False gurus like Muraldhara Swamy create illusions in the minds of people about their being enlightened. What right does he have to preach when he isn't enlightened. That he has meditated in the deep solitude of Arunachala, is a blatant lie. He wouldn't have had even felt the perfume of that extraordinary thing. His talks on the play of Krishna are sheer rubbish being full of howlers. His English speech is most burlesque looking like a caricature. He is most unfit to talk on wisdom oriented subjects. His idea of devotion too is very superficial. He has been talking like a human android for the last 20 years there not having been developed in him even an intellectual finesse, what to speak of authentic spirituality. He is a narcissist down to the boots.
RE: Muralidhara Swami (These are my personal observations).
Muralidhara Swami heads up an evangelical and expansionist organisation.
At the moment they are trying to attract Western devotees. Their modus operandi is primarily blatant flattery. Currently a stream of wealthy, influential, socially able Westerners (usually women) are returning from his ashram with high flown sanskrit names and tales of being named as 'close disciples' and 'instruments in the hands of god'. One of these so-called spiritually advanced luminaries is quite open about being unable to start the day with a champaigne breakfast and reported 'feeling deprived' that she had not flown to America for weekend shopping trip in New York recently. All this makes a mockery of the principles of Sanatana Dharma. Muralidharan is only interested in keeping the money sweet. Try being poor and asking for his help..see what DOESN'T happen then!
His organisation will flatter any Westerner and presumably Indian who they feel able to spread the message (and Muralidharan's 'fame') but when they realize that the targeted Westerner either, cannot, or does not wish to evanglize on their behalf, that person is immediately dropped and shunned.
From what I can make out, Muralidhara's appeal is mostly to the middle classes and those wanting a lite non demanding path.As stated as in a couple of posts above, his discourses are tedious, repetitive and superficial. There is no insight in them.
He is being tacitly promoted as a 'Premavatar' but I think the truth about him is far, far more mundane.
Would be interested in any similar experiences/opinions of this soon to be 'on the radar' organization.
Muralidhara Swamigal maintains a circle of rich people belonging to various professional background around him. He gives special preference to these rich and affluent people when they come to his ashram. He holds long discussion with them, garlands them, praises them to maintain his relationship so that they visit him often and waste their money and time on him.
Muralidharan's english Speech on the greatness of krishna would invoke laughter even in a rudimentary intellect. He is only a cult guru.
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