Tuesday, January 02, 2007

The Rev. Sun-Yung Cohen?

File under: Gurubusting

We love it when a tipster does all the work for us:
Details will apparently be forthcoming, but this current student's blog reveals that the Rev. Sun-Yung [Andrew] Cohen has orchestrated and officiated at a group marriage ceremony for four couples this New Year's Eve. What isn't [revealed] in the meaning "relationship in an evolutionary context" is that in the past Cohen has always had final approval of who gets to have a sexual relationship with whom, and often pairs people up himself.

The other irony to all this is that Cohen used to have quite a penchant for breaking up married couples who became formal students. This was the case for years... now he's marrying them... I guess either way, it's all about who's controlling the marriage... and when it comes to his students it's got to be him.

[It] also could be interesting to remind everyone that this is all happening at Foxhollow, the ashram he bilked $2 million from Jane O'Neil to acquire.
Cohen's own mother explains it all, speaking to Cohen himself:
Everyone lives in terror. Of you. The people nearest you are all spies. For you. They're also sycophants, telling you only what you want to hear, because they're afraid to tell you the truth. So you get no feedback. There is nothing at all to modify your behavior. Nothing.
Playing with people's lives like he owns them. It's much more within the purview of character disorder than anything that could be called true wisdom.

31 Comments:

At 1/03/2007 12:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems they got it wrong. According to one of the actual groom's blog, there were to be six couples married by Cohen on New Year's eve, not four. Even more wacky!
Do you think they all shared the same bridal suite at the ashram? :)

 
At 1/03/2007 4:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to like Cohen's writing, and I still like his magazine. Like many other people in this business whose public persona is different from their private, he is (or was) an inspiring writer, and I'm sure at one time his satsangs were probably good.

But clearly he's become a monster, a psychic vampire of the grossest, most malignant kind. Him and that fat slug Adi Da make a fine matching pair.

I believe it's what the Tibetans call "vajra hell". One gets a good, solid glimpse, but when one loses it, instead of simply admitting one has lost it, one pretends one still has it, because one can't bear losing the adulation one's charisma (when one had it) attracted to one.

To anybody who has had a Glimpse, and who "bears witness", this kind of behaviour is utterly repulsive because it queers the pitch for genuine teachers.

 
At 1/03/2007 9:40 AM, Blogger jody said...

One gets a good, solid glimpse, but when one loses it,

Anything that can be lost is not the Truth, but only a mind's rendering of the Truth.

 
At 1/03/2007 10:28 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

If this Co-rooster guy tells his disciples when and who they have sex with, at least they get to have sex sometimes... They probably weren't getting it before at all.

 
At 1/03/2007 10:30 AM, Anonymous betty said...

Jody said,

"Anything that can be lost is not the Truth, but only a mind's rendering of the Truth."

................


That pretty much sums up the Blade.

 
At 1/03/2007 10:36 AM, Blogger jody said...

That pretty much sums up the Blade.

Actually, it sums up everyone, qualified guru or otherwise.

As soon as the lips move to express the Truth, it turns to shit.

 
At 1/03/2007 6:37 PM, Anonymous Martin Gifford said...

"As soon as the lips move to express the Truth, it turns to shit."

You can see that in Cohen's new blog. He waxes lyrical about how The Self loves to see The Self, and commentators reflect back to him how the revolution that Cohen started is really, really, really happening.

So on goes the Andrew Cohen show, created by interpretations of experience... not by naked experiencing.

BTW, his disciples often mention "the compulsion to evolve" - I think this is a corruption caused by the infiltration of the superego, which always pushes for perfection.

 
At 1/03/2007 7:42 PM, Blogger jody said...

his disciples often mention "the compulsion to evolve"

What a complete load of crap. It's pretty much null as a nonduality teaching but great marketing because it keeps the ninnies who follow Cohen coming back for more.

 
At 1/04/2007 7:19 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Betty said:
That pretty much sums up the Blade.

Betty, I am honored to be in your thoughts, even in a commentary in which I am not participating at all so far.

If I ever write a grandiose book with a 50-page catalog of endorsements, I'll include yours darling.

 
At 1/05/2007 7:56 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

TheBlade said...
Betty said:
That pretty much sums up the Blade.
.............

I think there is clear evidence that Betty is more attracted to you, Blade, than she is to me. Maybe we can get Betty into Cohen's dating service. He could marry her off to his disciples as a form of punishment. Might be better than going into an ice cold lake, but who knows?

 
At 1/05/2007 9:54 AM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Chuck said:
Might be better than going into an ice cold lake, but who knows?


The problem Chuck, is that someone who likes to be bitten will set things up so that he will be given Betty to marry as a punishment, but it won't be a punishment at all since he likes to be bitten.

And, I expect that around Andrew Cohen, there should be no shortage of those who in some way like to be bitten, even though it causes them pain.

 
At 1/05/2007 10:36 AM, Blogger CHUCK said...

TheBlade said...

The problem Chuck, is that someone who likes to be bitten will set things up
..................

Yea, Blade, sometimes a dip into an icy mountain lake is just what a guy needs. In that case there is hope for Betty to find her soul mate!

Betty's silence on this issue must mean she's in Mongolia!

 
At 1/05/2007 10:48 AM, Anonymous Betty said...

Chuck and Blade,

You two will never need a real woman as long as you have the palms of your hands.

Saying this about me, Blade says you also like to get bitten. Have a nice day.

 
At 1/05/2007 11:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog stays at its best when we focus our collective wit and wisdom on the responsible use vs irresponsible abuse of power by leaders and followers--and when people have been able to describe what they've seen during their explorations on the spiritual circuit.

Its off topic when comments are made that someone is umarriageable. Guruphiliac is not a dating service.

That's a whole other topic, best assessed in person, not cyberspace.

 
At 1/05/2007 2:08 PM, Anonymous Betty said...

Anonymous said...
This blog stays at its best when we focus our collective wit and wisdom on the responsible use vs irresponsible abuse of power
..................


BITE ME!

 
At 1/05/2007 2:39 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Our-would-be-camp-counsellor said:
This blog stays at its best when we focus... Its off topic when comments are made that someone is umarriageable. Guruphiliac is not a dating service.


Dear Our-would-be-camp-counsellor:
Comments:
(i) Jody will decide what is on-topic here. This is a blog, not a forum. Do you know the difference?
(ii) Have a sense-of-humor -- Jody seems to encourage it by example.
(iii) I'm not sure your unwarranted assumption of blog-moderatorhood is more welcome than our playing-around.

Questions:
(i) Do you know what a sense-of-humor is?

P.S. If you are short of sense-of-humor, you can borrow some of Jody's, Chucks, mine or even Betty's because we have more than we need.

 
At 1/05/2007 5:18 PM, Anonymous Betty said...

I'm not sure I like being of the same opinion as you, Blade. Don't make a habit of being so sharp.

By the way, it was Cohen's marriage and dating service this thread IS about. If he gets one why can't Jody? I assume that Jody needs to get laid almost as much as Cohen himself does.

 
At 1/05/2007 5:29 PM, Blogger jody said...

I assume that Jody needs to get laid almost as much as Cohen himself does.

Actually, I've never needed to get laid. That's not to say I wouldn't mind, provided the partner was pleasing to my eye and tolerable to listen to for the duration of the act.

As Chuck has observed a number of times, I'm pretty much unmarriable, and I now lack the patience to put up with any shit anymore in the interests of my sex life... although there was a time I put up with plenty of shit in order to get laid.

 
At 1/06/2007 8:56 AM, Anonymous Betty said...

Jody, you have managed to touch my heart. You've always got Kali Ma.

 
At 1/06/2007 10:06 AM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Jody said:
I now lack the patience to put up with any shit anymore in the interests of my sex life... although there was a time I put up with plenty of shit in order to get laid.


See, anonymous camp-counsellor, our humor has provoked positive things, as our gracious host was cajoled into a heart-open confession and outpouring of a divine wisdom from which we can all benefit. :)

Never try to moderate this blog again, or try to god the universe. LOL.

 
At 1/06/2007 1:32 PM, Anonymous Betty said...

Blade said,

Never try to moderate this blog again, or try to god the universe. LOL.

............

Actually Blade, you tried the same thing at first. If you weren't such a brillant bastard who wanted to see his words in print and have have an army of drooling peasants sitting at your feet waiting for the next drop of wisdom, you might have fled this blog yourself with your tail between your doggy legs!

 
At 1/06/2007 8:20 PM, Blogger TheBlade said...

Betty said:
Actually Blade, you tried the same thing at first.


Not at all, though I didn't think I was supposed to respond to the abuse that was being thrown at me. But I have learned. :)

If you weren't such a brillant bastard who wanted to see his words in print and have have an army of drooling peasants sitting at your feet waiting for the next drop of wisdom, you might have fled this blog yourself with your tail between your doggy legs!


Betty, that's a really lovely compliment. I could do without the drooling peasants, but the rest of it is just too kind.

 
At 1/06/2007 9:13 PM, Anonymous Martin Gifford said...

Jody said: "Anything that can be lost is not the Truth, but only a mind's rendering of the Truth."

That means we all already have the truth so there's no need to criticise gurus because the disciples have the truth.

But I presume you do it strictly for fun, in the same way disciples play disciple strictly for fun.

 
At 1/06/2007 11:00 PM, Blogger jody said...

That means we all already have the truth

No, it means we've never been anything else but the truth.

so there's no need to criticise gurus because the disciples have the truth.

If gurus say they can give something that folks already have, there is a good reason right there to call them on it.

But I presume you do it strictly for fun, in the same way disciples play disciple strictly for fun.

I am in it for the fun. But many devotees are in it to escape self-loathing. In other words, not for fun, but for something they'd be much better off seeing a psychiatrist for rather than a guru.

But that doesn't stop the gurus, Cohen in particular, from deciding to play God with their devotees lives, for which they deserve a good flogging whenever possible.

 
At 1/07/2007 8:45 AM, Anonymous Betty said...

Blade said,


Betty, that's a really lovely compliment. I could do without the drooling peasants, but the rest of it is just too kind.

............

It was meant to be too kind, you fool! That was the apology I promised you.

 
At 1/08/2007 7:56 PM, Anonymous Martin Gifford said...

Jody said: "If gurus say they can give something that folks already have, there is a good reason right there to call them on it."

So they simply give seekers the info that they are the truth? But isn't that a gain?

"...many devotees are in it to escape self-loathing. In other words, not for fun, but for something they'd be much better off seeing a psychiatrist for rather than a guru."

Probably half the people in the world could do with a psychiatrist... including gurus.

"But that doesn't stop the gurus, Cohen in particular, from deciding to play God with their devotees lives, for which they deserve a good flogging whenever possible."

Maybe gurus need to be pointed to the psychiatrist themselves.

 
At 1/08/2007 8:26 PM, Blogger jody said...

So they simply give seekers the info that they are the truth? But isn't that a gain?

Gurus do a lot of different things for a lot of different people. Mine disabused me of erroneous notions about myself and the world. Many provide accessory parenting by way of their status as space-daddies and -mommies.

 
At 1/12/2007 2:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I may be heading away from your marrying topic but here's my say about the Androids as I have named Andrew's slaves. I was with Papaji and remember the time when he said that Andrew will go to "Avachi HEll" . Which is the lowest hell . And also he spent time telling a story of a man who spoke against Buddha and argued against the teachings. In this story the man later on regrets what he has said and becomes remorseful . As a penance he buries himself up to the neck in saw dust and has the saw dust lit . This way he burns very slowly and suffers excruciatingly. So already Papaji had said it about Andrew , and look at the mess . If Papaji's Vach Siddhi was at work we are seeing the results of Andrew in the hell realms.

 
At 1/13/2007 9:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Papaji will be right there in hell with him!

 
At 1/17/2007 3:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Anon ,
hahaa!!What makes you think he's in hell ? Papajis's not here to answer you if he is .Maybe he's being a good Bodhisattva , is'nt that what they do ? Freeing Androids from the hell realms.But I don't think he's doing that either. unfortunately Andrew is still here for us all to see rolling in it . Even this silly Cohen is an aspect of ourselves too. Yet it is still the case ,as UG would put it, he's a 'Bastard !' too.

 
At 1/18/2007 8:20 AM, Anonymous Betty said...

mystic shit said,

What makes you think he's in hell ? Papajis's not here to answer you if he is .Maybe he's being a good Bodhisattva , is'nt that what they do ? Freeing Androids from the hell realms...

..............


In your case he would be removing a hemmaroid from hell...

 

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