The One True Management Guru
File under: The Siddhi of PR
In these days of "management gurus" littering the corporate landscape like discarded boy toys in Paris Hilton's wake, there comes the one true and actually authentic management guru, Swami Sukhadhodhananda.
He appears to be your standard Indian self-help fare – a little bit ancient yoga and a little bit "modern science." At least he's not a miracle-mongering, self-styled living deity and savior of the planet promising instant (and quite false) enlightenment. That puts him way, way ahead of most of the other gurus getting press in Mother India.
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posted by guruphiliac @ 1:50 PM
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That puts him way, way ahead of most of the other gurus getting press in Mother India.
~~~ No Jody ! I dont think Indian press is blind. I have never read any press item that has glorified a guru as god or promising enlightenment.
Though I travel quite a bit in and out of india, I still keep a lot of track with happenings there.
It is the inhouse magazines of gurus which mouthpiece such ridiculous claims.
Infact popular newsmagazines are quite anti-guru that you would never find a kalki or sai baba item so easily in print. But if you happened to bump into some online magazine run by a sidekick of a guru(never read by others)
then you cannot generalize such piece of shit as the popular indian press. Indian press has come a long way for sure and they are more analytical and critical
in 'guru related areas' than ever before..
The Indian press has gone to the dogs, and I take everything they report on with a large heap of salt, whether it is "spirituality" or so-called "secular" issues. The Times of India has practically become a tabloid. The Indian press has never managed to break free from its post-colonial, smugly elitist pseudo-intellectualism that started with Nehru. It is a sad reflection of the nation that Bharat has become.
~~~~~ And was just thinking, that seeing guru as god is not a serious issue in india because indians 'try' to see god in everything. A bull and a cow is holy, then the trees, mountains, rivers and all. Only difference is the guru can speak which others dont. Especially a language which the disciple wants or understands or can be helped or exploited. The guru play as a better god only because he/she knows how to communicate necessary emotions and ideas. Many times to his or her advantage. Left to themselves, indians will continue to worship everything in the creation as the manifestations of god.
Which is finally what the vedas talk about in the upanishads.
That the creator and creation are inseperable.
And then still, the god is placed only in the fourth postition in indian traditions. God is in fact not as bigtime as what perhaps one might consider elsewhere in other traditions than india. Mata(mother), Pita(father), Guru(teacher), Daivam(god) is the sequence of importance.
The indian psyche is always trained to beleive that god is present in everyone, even a criminal or the self pampering avatar. If they come to know someone claiming as avatar, most people dont scorn or mock but only accept because, to a hindu, by default everyone is a avatar. Some seem to claim it and others dont....
Certainly not as analytical and critical (with dollops of humour) as this blog. May be after reading Jody's blog have been emboldened a bit. As " originality is the art of concealing the source ".
Semblance, for your information, u can find honoring articles of Kracki in The Hindu, in the Times of India, and in Kannada Prabha Press
"The indian psyche is always trained to beleive that god is present in everyone, even a criminal or the self pampering avatar. If they come to know someone claiming as avatar, most people dont scorn or mock but only accept because, to a hindu, by default everyone is a avatar. Some seem to claim it and others dont...."
So then why do pujas to a guru if God is in everyone? Shouldn't there be a more egalitarian, non authoritative way of expressing that concept? The idea of God being in everyone is one thing , but worshipping a person who claims to be more god than everyone else is another.
Indian press and govt will not do anything to these gurus. If muslims disappear from India, then the press or govt might take an action. Until then, these gurus are used to insecure the muslims and make them feel a bit out of world.
Jody:
Any reason for treating him with a kid glove?
He comes from vedanta background, doesn't he? Ah!..now it is clear! Jody -> RK -> Vivekananda -> Vedanta -> This newbie.
Now it makes perfect sense why this gentleman looks "authentic" to you, while others don't.
Now it makes perfect sense why this gentleman looks "authentic" to you
Your simpleton's appreciation for my method is noted. Unfortunately, it's also wrong.
This guy gets a pass because he isn't saying he's God, he isn't allowing anyone else to say he's God on his website, he's not offering bullshit, instant panaceas for the problems of life, and he's not suggesting magic as any kind of solution.
I said as much in the post:
At least he's not a miracle-mongering, self-styled living deity and savior of the planet promising instant (and quite false) enlightenment.
Your answer was right in front of you the whole time, little grasshopper.
But you are correct in that those gurus who ally themselves with Vedanta as it is expounded in the Upanishads and by Sankara will get a pass from me. Their adherence to that standard of spiritual understanding virtually guarantees they won't be self-aggrandizing, they won't rely on superstitious nonsense to attract followers and that they won't put themselves above anyone else. Any guru who does any of these and professes a respect for Vedanta is at best, just paying lip service to the truths expressed within Vedanta, or at worst, using those truths to further their own greedy agendas.
antarananda said>>>>>>The Indian press has gone to the dogs, and I take everything they report on with a large heap of salt, whether it is "spirituality" or so-called "secular" issues.
~~~~ True ! but certainly not glorifying any guru as god. They are more concerned with readership from the christian and muslim communities and can never displease them with that.
Just like the Indian politicians.
Valentino said>>>>>Semblance, for your information, u can find honoring articles of Kracki in The Hindu, in the Times of India, and in Kannada Prabha Press
~~~~~ Impossible. You are simply throwing some stone hoping to hit some mangoes. Hindu is only hindu for the namesake and they had a policy to cut even the titles like sri sri etc. So SSRS was simply known as ravi shankar and after much effort now they appear with tiles again. Times of India is a tabloid as antarananda told. It is just a entertainment pulp. Whichever guru has bigger crowds, they try to get 'em on print. But surely they are not pro kalki. Kracki had been thoroughly roughed up in the indian press 10 years ago. In his second coming perhaps the press is indifferent to him and certainly not drumming up anything fancy about him.
How i wish you had also sent the links which show related articles
from those dailies as you claim???
DurGa said >>>>So then why do pujas to a guru if God is in everyone? Shouldn't there be a more egalitarian, non authoritative way of expressing that concept? The idea of God being in everyone is one thing , but worshipping a person who claims to be more god than everyone else is another.
~~~~If washing the feet and applying sandalwood and showing the arti(flame in a plate) what you call worshipping then it happens in almost every devout hindu's house everytime. They show the same to a cow, to a bride and groom, to every stone in the temple.
That said, sure the kracki and ammachi types have made it a compulsory agenda in all their events dealing with masses.
it may appear something out of the ordinary to a non hindu and a non indian, but it is a very simple and easy thing for a hindu because he waits for an occasion to do the same. Come to india and I can organize such speacial treatments to you at no extra cost.
There are enough westerners in india who delight themselves in doing similar exercises. Singling out indians may be a fallacy.
Jody said
But you are correct in that those gurus who ally themselves with Vedanta as it is expounded in the Upanishads and by Sankara will get a pass from me. Their adherence to that standard of spiritual understanding virtually guarantees they won't be self-aggrandizing, they won't rely on superstitious nonsense to attract followers and that they won't put themselves above anyone else.
All:
That explains the UPS guy I saw yesterday delivering a huge orange gift box to Jody.
Jody,
You've doubtless never heard of Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev who has been invited by Klaus Schwab to speak to the World Economic Forum for the past 2 years and offers yoga and educational programs equally to the impoverished rural villagers in Tamil Nadu and the members of the Bombay Stock Exchange. Not merely a management guru--he was a prosperous young businessman who gave it up when he became enlightened 25 years ago--- he is guru of inner management --whose mission is the inner wellbeing of all. I have met Swami Sukhabodhananda and I agree, he is a good guy, but not a master of the inner dimensions who can serve as a catalyst to personal transformation.
Enjoy your blog very much, although it is over the top on occasion. I think if you found yourself an authentic, living master you would soon give up blogging and become a brahmacharya.
Warmly,
Shishya
That explains the UPS guy I saw yesterday delivering a huge orange gift box to Jody.
I'll admit to being down with the orange. But it's going to be a minus-zero degree day in Hell before I become one of 'em.
I think if you found yourself an authentic, living master you would soon give up blogging and become a brahmacharya.
Dude, I already have an authentic, living master, and there's no way I'm going to become a bramacharya with all the hot shaktis running around the world.
It's 100% entirely unnecessary, and has as much to do with our truth as the Self as my dog's ass.
[I] enjoy your blog very much
Thank you. Thanks for reading, and please tell all your friends.
Your simpleton's appreciation for my method is noted. Unfortunately, it's also wrong.
I'd like to apologize to freefall for my making this harsh and erroneous statement.
He is quite correct in that Vedanta is my standard implement by which I hack away at ignorance and the gurus who promulgate it. That said, were Ramakrishna – the father of my lineage – alive today, I'd probably have quite a bit to say about him too. Not that his teaching didn't conform to Vedanta, but that as a man he was quite a funny little creature. His quirks and oddities, if covered in the press today, would provide a rich source of material for an endeavor like this. Which is... to make clear the fundamental truth that we are all divine, equally, and that every guru alive is just as much an ordinary human being as the rest of us.
meisemblance:
"How i wish you had also sent the links which show related articles
from those dailies as you claim???"
semblance, not very happy to give this kind of advertising to Mr. Kracki, but I'll do it for u.
I met there in GC the owner of The Hindu, she is an old woman, very nice. She did a personal private 21 days process (VIP's)
Anyways, not that those articles praise Kr, but they don't debunk him.
But I tell u another secret:
We were encourage to have articles of Kr published in News papers, magazines, etc... and send a coppy to GC , and they said that this would increase our good karma, and they would show them to Kr, and then he would bless us and increase our enlightening process.....
here the links:
https://www.onenessmovement.org/sri_bhagavan_press.cfm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2004/03/04/stories/2004030409390300.htm
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/709026542.cms
https://www.onenessmovement.org/sri_bhagavan_press.cfm
http://www.lifepositive.com/spirit/spirit-centers/god.asp
Hello Valentino, Thats a lot of effort from you but unfortunately the links or either chopped half or incomplete.
Barring the 'oneness' sites which are kr's personal 'clarion calls'
the rest are just the online links of Hindu and Time of India and the Life positive. They open todays edition only and not the kr rerlated articles.
Please have a look. In any case I want to reiterate that Hindu does not subscribe to Kr or anyone in the spiritual gamut(its run by a man N.Ram, who is a commie by heart)
Times of India(run by 'god fearing' Indu jain) which presently is busy promoting SSRS's antics, would have published a rare palmsize info on Mr Kr.
Life positive would have had some matter which they have to use as fillers in their magazine.
Kr DOES NOT HAVE ANY LEVERAGE in indian press this day. They infact watch him suspiciously.
Im amazed how folks travel all the way like 'chucky' (refer to jody;s post on chucky) !!! from west and from where do they get all the inspirational info about Kr ???
Dear Semblance, I tell u the woman I met in GC, was the owner, or at least the wife, of The Hindu owner.
And you should have seen the treat she had.
The only link I gave to u that was from followers from Kr, is the Kannada Press Interview,... I couldn't find it otherwise, but only at the sites of deeksha mongers.
But I found it fun anyways to pass it on, because of the stupidity of the answers of Mr. Kr.
I'm sorry u couldn't get to the other links.... but I am now bored of this issue, and maybe better we leave it here.... afterall you are quite right,... but there were times were Kr was out there in the Indian Media.
Please note that I am not Valentino, but Valentina
Please note that I am not Valentino, but Valentina
~~~ Sure valentina ! somehow i liked it -tino. Its ok.
Even im bugged with the Kr stuff since 1998. Only guruphiliac reminds him often to me. FYI, I have a base which is just a couple of hours drive away from Mr Kr's HQ....
semblance: "I have a base which is just a couple of hours drive away from Mr Kr's HQ...."
So run away!!! or u risk to become ONE with them
So run away!!! or u risk to become ONE with them
~~~~~~ No need because thats where i grow all my weeds(its a farm house) and thats where i run to from my other workspots. Im quite fine there, smokin' my pipes and gazin' the stars.
Jody said: "He is quite correct in that Vedanta is my standard implement by which I hack away at ignorance and the gurus who promulgate it."
so, jody, what books would you recommend to a person who is ineterested in figuring out what is really true in the Indian spiritual tradition? Your perspective on vedanta has gotten me curious. I've only read superficial things about vedanta in the past.
semblance s and orchestra said...
~~~~~~ No need because thats where i grow all my weeds(its a farm house) Im quite fine there, smokin' my pipes and gazin' the stars.
...........
All this talk of yours about smoking weed reminds me that I haven't smoked it since 1972, back when an ounce cost $10, US!
What does it cost these days, farmer semblance?
semblance: "No need because thats where i grow all my weeds"
ahaaaa!!!!!!!!
so you are the one providing Kracki and his mongers those famous herbs, the legium balls?!!!!!
can u send me some????
Chuck said>>>>>>What does it cost these days, farmer semblance?
~~~ N0 CHUCK ! For you its always free. Tell me your dimebox address. Can pack a carton free.
Valentina said >>>>
so you are the one providing Kracki and his mongers those famous herbs, the legium balls?!!!!!
~~~Balls? Dunno which? But always my balls to him and to his mongers too.
can u send me some????
~~~~Nope. But you can contact my
U.S retailer by the name Chuck.
Im just gonna release a carton to his dimebox TX pad, this week ahead. But come over to my farmhouse where we can make a bonfire of golden weeds amidst a midnight satsang under the million stars and a singular moon.
semblance:
come over to my farmhouse where we can make a bonfire of golden weeds amidst a midnight satsang under the million stars and a singular moon.
nop thanks, in my ourn farm, I already have paradise. Why should I move from here?
The times for seeking out came to an end. I have the stars, I have the moon, I have satsang.
Thanks to all my teachers,... including the fake god kracki.Including you.
But enjoy your weeds.
semblance s and orchestra said...
~~~ N0 CHUCK ! For you its always free. Tell me your dimebox address. Can pack a carton free.
....................
Chuck Ji
c/o General Delivery
Dime Box, Texas
77853
USA
Jody, I am curious why you didn't respond to my query about vedanta when I first posted it. I was wondering if silence is your way of stating that it can't be taught thru books?
I am curious why you didn't respond to my query about vedanta
It's really only because I didn't have a good answer. The books I've read required a bit of interpretation of my part. They were starting points, but not primarily instructive.
Valentina said>>>>>I have the stars, I have the moon, I have satsang. Thanks to all my teachers,... including the fake god kracki.Including you.
But enjoy your weeds.
~~~~ Way to go valentina !
I really appreciate that new found freedom of yours. It reflects my similar state of being. Particularly being thankful to all the good and the bad gurus. After all everyone contributes in shaping one's personal life. Thats just my stand too. BRAVO !
semblance s and orchestra said...
~~~~ Way to go valentina !
I really appreciate that new found freedom of yours. It reflects my similar state of being... Thats just my stand too. BRAVO !
..........
Your sincerity is showing, my friend! It is like seeing stars and planets burning through all my East Texas heat haze!
When should I expect the first shipment?
Durga ! Checkout the books section
for a good reading on vedanta in these sites. I may not vouch for their authenticity but certainly the authors are not considered as avatars. They have been reported to silly display of ego on various occasions in dealing with situations abd people in the past. But with me thats ok. Atleast they have certain puritan approach to vedanta. Their language can be understood by a westerner more easily than many other terse
interpretations available.
www.vedanta-edu.org
www.chinmayamission.org
Chuck said>>>>When should I expect the first shipment?
~~~~ Its all 'maya' my dear chuck.
You are still in the deep slumber.
Just as the smoke from my weeds go up in the sky and dissolve, i see this whole world of happenings assume some name and some form and then, bingo ! ITS ALL GONE.,,
What the shipment can do finally?
semblance s and orchestra said...
ITS ALL GONE.,,
What the shipment can do finally?
..................
You are correct, guruji! This knowingness of yours is the basis for your name Shri Talksalotofshitji! You are the Cheech and the Chong, the warped woof of existence! All smoke emanates from thy mouth and all mirrors from thy ass. Thou art verily the One source of universal fume!
chapter 5, vs 17-18 Chuckra Gita
"just as the smoke from my weeds go up in the sky and dissolve"
semblance, good to know that you are still the stalwart pillar of smoke that will guide us through the desert to Oz. I think I may need a shipment too, though. So, just send a care package via Chuck. I only live a few ours drive from him.
durga said>>>>So, just send a care package via Chuck. I only live a few ours drive from him.
~~~~ Ok Durga, I will.
Especially my friend chuck seem little impatient about delay of the consignment. He has proved time and time again that his wisdom is as big as his ass by (mis)quoting the couplets. All that he needs to get out of this mayopia is to open my carton soon after it reached and shove the handful up his horsey noseholes.
Truthfully speaking i dont consider anything more greater than my weeds at this point of time. Even chuck's enormity at the ends.
"Truthfully speaking i dont consider anything more greater than my weeds at this point of time"
One thing, though, Semblance, if you want to keep the girlfriends, it might be a good idea to substitute your weed for something less intoxicating once in awhile.
www.vedanta-edu.org
www.chinmayamission.org
I would not vouch for either.
Chinmaya Mission is OK, if you have nothing else to fall back. To their credit, they do not distort vedanta. But they are good only for very basic understanding. They are more into hinduism and indian culture.
Swami Parthasarathy is not a 'swami' to begin with. Technically a title of 'swami' can only be given to a renunciate and only by another 'swami' who can trace his lineage to one of the four shankar mutts. This nuance is not just semantic. Hindu personal law applies differently to a 'swami' than to a house holder. For example, a 'swami' cannot own property in his name. He is legally barred to open a bank account in his name etc. Parthasarathy is neither a renunciate nor he was initiated into the lineage by any other 'swami'. Technically he is not a 'swami'. Now I do not mean that having a legal 'swami' status is a big deal. But using a title without entitlement reeks of dishonesty. That said, his treatment of vedanta looks OK.
Now allow me to share my own favourites:
http://www.arshavidya.org/ : An off shoot of Chinmaya Mission, but more rigorous than the parent version. Chief guru: Swami Dayananada
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ : By far, most authentic source on advaita vedanta on web. However, extremely orthodox and not to western taste. Not related to any particular teacher. A very active mailing list.
http://www.advaita.org.uk/: More palatable to western taste. Some very good articles. Not related to any particular teacher. Check out some scholarly books authored by some members.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/satchidanandendra/: Small group moderated by a Swedish disciple of late Swami Sacchidanandendra Saraswati.
semblance said... the handful up his horsey noseholes.
.................
Semblance, you seem to have me confused with my wife, mother and grandmother. They are clearly horse-faced. I am looking more like the full moon over the Taj Mahal!
chuck said>>>>>>Semblance, you seem to have me confused with my wife, mother and grandmother. They are clearly horse-faced. I am looking more like the full moon over the Taj Mahal!
~~~~ sure chuck. I stand corrected. Now i will have to see the taj mahal in the moonlight.
Darn...!!! But is it that bald chuck? I always visualized something like pubic hair
on it.
Freefall...thank you for the painstaking effort. But till jody's dog agrees, durga may not touch 'em even with a ten foot pole.
But then i guess thats a lot of info. I too share similar understanding about (swami)partasarathy.
Thankyou Semblance and freefall for the vedanta websites. I very much appreciate it.
Durga ! it must be your curiosity as to how jody went about vedanta than finding some material for your own. But jody has a price in six digits for all his bio data.
About the books he read and never touched and books he slept with, his gurus, about gurus he kicked, gurus who kicked him, about his infamous writings, about his dog's ass etc. You can find 'em all in his biovideo soon to be released .. but sure its worthwhile the waiting is. If you are restless and needed a pirated version ahead of its release, then kindly contact
Chuck Ji
BlueBonnets automart
Dime Box TX
71654
Semblance, if you think that by reccommending some A. Vedanta books is a way of prooving your worth in this blog, you are way too ignorant my friend.
I silently thanked Jody for his own wise answer to the request of Durga.
Pity that you couldn't remain in silence, and "had to prove your knowledge"
"Durga ! it must be your curiosity as to how jody went about vedanta than finding some material for your own.:
Yes, I am kind of curious about how Jody went about it and his biovideo/book would make for a good read. After Jody made some statement about vedanat, i thought to take a look at it and see for myself, but i checked out a book in the library about Galileo instead. I will check out those websites but will probably wait about a month till after my left buttock-lower back muscle recovers from computer addiction.
valentina said...
Pity that you couldn't remain in silence, and "had to prove your knowledge"
............
Val you are in fact and deed the new Betty! Just remember that underneath all that smoke and bullfume in semblance,there beats a gentle heart! This guy is really a sweetheart and wealthy to boot! Maybe you are looking for such a fellow in your life. I sideline as a East Texas yenta! Let's talk!
HI everyone, I am glad to communicate that from now on I will sign with my new name: "New Betty"
chuck, I don't doubt for a sec that underneath Semblance, and also you, there are gentle hearts.
In your case, would be nice if you could let us see, at least once in a while.
Hoopla Hoo !!!
As you folks began to recognize my non-existent 'goodness',
I was running into my routine weekend trouble last night.
If ever you felt any bit of goodness from me its only that I punched keys after a good act of sinful sexuality in some corner of the farmhouse.
Btw, before i forget, let me say a honorable word or two about chuck. Visualizing his triple wide you may speculate tons of shit but he is a lot more than just that.
He has been my sole inspiration
to be here and even jody's humor tickles me occasionally, but chuck never failed from his wit and wisdom except those few days in the Big Thicket when he had to come to terms with the corn cobs
and rattle snakes.
Hey Chuck ! Am not usually mushy but when im high on weeds, sometimes i try it out. 'You Are That Necessary Evil and without you this blogspace is just
as empty as the north eastern corner of my farm.(i have planned some sunflower garden and a mangrove just there by the peak of summer here !!!)
My weekend has not come still to the end. Perhaps till im weakened.
Im on a high like the high white, noon-june clouds that i saw last year hangin atop boston city.
And val, you are the last thing in the agenda of my deadhead.
But hang in there and take it easy...
It is my perception from reading this blog over many months that this Chuck fellow is basically alright, although intentionally offensive. He is very much like the Black Labrador dogs, always jumping on someone, overly friendly maybe but harmless. His drool is worse than his bite.
Thanks facedog and semblance and durga for the kind support. People forget that a fat man also has feelings! Err..thanks also anonymous...Having owned a black lab, I take your meaning. Mine was a bad crotch sniffer but he did come in handy when the Jehova Witnesses used to come around. The JW ladies would drive into the yard and just as they were getting out of their cars, I'd let out Otis. He was a little agressive under their skirts and finally they quit coming! Then Otis got hit by a car and crawled under the house to die. So the JW's got their own revenge on me, since it took a week for me to find poor Otis...
Semblance I understand about your weekend, as I've got a weak end my own self. Adios!
I love u guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlyKjTVnzGo&mode=related&search=
"He is very much like the Black Labrador dogs, always jumping on someone, overly friendly maybe but harmless."
Well, the black lab that ran away from the neighbor's house and decided he liked to spend his days better at my mom's place in the woods got caught tipping over golf carts and then jumped thru a screen to bite the orkin man. So i can relate to your story Chuck. He was my favorite dog despite the temperament cause of his loyalty.
do we all in this forum own a black lab dod??
Every thing about sukobodhananda
He is corporate guru who makes multi level marketing and earn money for his trust brand
He is excellent speaker and orator
But i attended few live sessions and coursess and he trying to make his own brand by disrespecting others and calling others fake who are in the same spiritual business man and asking people to trust him and pay for the courses that he offer
some how does not seem to good
Still there are many spiritual leaders who don't make brand marketing yet confined themselves to temple discourses and making people lead a good life
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