Monday, May 21, 2007

How The Kracki Became A Criminal

File under: Gurubusting, Gurus Clockin' Dollars and The Siddhi of PR

Once again, our readers prove that they rock. While described as a "brief" biography, this reader-supplied missive lays it all out in plain text just how much of an unrepentant con man Kalki Bhagavan really is.

Wake up and spit out that Kool-Aid, folks. Your Golden Age-bearing avatard is nothing more than a self-glorifying narcissist. Please excuse us for not being the least bit surprised:
This is a brief biography of Kalki Bhagavan, as I have come to know him over the years. I used to be a friend of Dr. R. Shankar and Kalki Bhagavan, or Vijay, as I knew him.

I feel it is my duty to share the experience that I've had with them, as they have influenced the lives of large number of people in India and abroad. I have done all I can to be as objective as possible. From my point of view I have not exaggerated or said things that did not happen, having said that, I must add that this is indeed a subjective perception of events and personalities.

When I met Kalki Bhagavan he was still called by the name his parents had given him: Vijaykumar [hereafter I shall refer to him as VK]. VK and his middle-class family speak a kind of colloquial Telugu that is neither Telugu nor Tamil. His Naidu caste has its origin in Andhra Pradesh, in the south of India. VK did not hail from an intellectual, spiritual or noble ancestry therefore his natural cultural inclination was to find security in a secure government or public sector job.

After finishing his basic education, the clever and creative VK joined Life Insurance Corporation of India [LIC] as an office clerk. When he had reached marriageable age he was quickly married off to Padmavathy, a woman from his own caste and clan. Though Padmavathy did not attend college, she could read and write but could not speak English. Padmavathy [Amma] is not what we in India call a sophisticated or a cultivated lady.

She had a great female instinct and could sense her husband's appetite for other women. She often quarrelled with him when he showed excessive interest in other women. There was even a time when a friend of mine intervened to calm the quarreling couple. Padmavathy is a very straight-talking, no-nonsense woman who often unhesitatingly confronted VK in public. Her language, while shouting at VK, was rough and somewhat disrespectful.

VK was alleged to have had a relationship with the then headmistress of Jeevasharam [in the mid 80s'] and had her dismissed when he thought it would affect his launch of a promising career as a Guru.

Padmavathy is the one person capable of embarrassing or frightening him into submission. One is not at all surprised by the strategy adopted by VK in including her in the launching of Kalki Bhagavan and Amma Spiritual Company Private Limited. This would ensure that the public know of his marital status and keep Padmavathy comfortable. Her title as Amma has also given her a sense of supreme authority in the organizational hierarchy.

Vijaykumar meets the faithful Dr. R. Shankar
It was only a year, by sheer chance, that VK went to Don Bosco Matriculation School in Chennai. Here he felt like a fish out of water as most of the children in this school came from upper middle-class or class-conscious bourgeois families of Chennai. In this brief one year stint he managed to befriend R. Shankar. Shankar was a very sympathetic and friendly lad who was warming towards this rather isolated and fish out of water, VK.

VK got introduced to J. Krishnamurti's [hereafter JK] teachings as a young man. It is not clear if Shankar's mother introduced VK to JK. Shankar's mother, Mrs. Kanaka Durga Ramachandran, as a child, was educated and influenced by J.Krishnamurti. She continued to keep all his letters and showed them to those curious about this enigmatic Indian philosopher.

Shankar's father Mr. A. Ramachandran studied law at Cambridge University and later practiced as a lawyer in "Rao and Reddy", a popular law firm in Chennai.

Mr. A. Ramachandran abhorred the idea of caste or class superiority and so started off as a communist sympathizer; he helped workers and fought for their rights. Shankar's parents were poles apart. Father an atheist and his mother a somewhat confused believer in everything that claimed to be religious or mysterious. VK was also quite clan and caste conscious, his initial interest in Shankar may have been because Shankar's mother's parents were of a mixed caste. Her mother a Brahmin and father of a Naidu caste. This was very unusual as Brahmans of those days were very caste conscious and almost never married out of caste.

Shankar, a studious and somewhat naive young man, studied science and went over to do a PhD in Theoretical Physics at Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. Vijaykumar, who had lost touch with Shankar, had moved on to start a little shop in Perumbur (area in Chennai) selling rice, while working in the Life Insurance Corporation of India as an office clerk.

Learning from J. Krishnamurti and Hindu Tradition
Shankar, after completing his PhD, moved on to Germany, worked there for a few years and returned to India to marry Dr. Prema, a medical doctor. Prema, a faithful and cultured lady, kept off the spiritual "fog" that surrounded Shankar. She continued her support and loyalty towards her husband through thick and thin. Shankar, like his mother, went through much of oscillation and conflict between science and belief. He found J.Krishnamurti (JK) an ideal bridge; JK satisfied his need to close the gap between his doubts and beliefs.

Shankar went to Brockwood Park in U.K. where he met J. Krishnamurti [it was not the first time he met JK] and JK being impressed by Shankar's dignified looks and scientific education was not late to invite him to join his foundation and head his school in Bangalore. It was this same dignity and grace that Shankar was used by Vijaykumar. A credible looking man can always sell a sub-standard product, this is a well known fact that any good marketing or sales expert would vouch for.

Vijaykumar [Kalki] exhibited some narcissism but always felt he lacked the handsome looks or charisma to attract a following. Shankar, on the other hand, was very articulate, had scientific credentials and very good looks. VK found people trusted Shankar and were prepared to donate land and offer financial support. When Shankar spoke people listened with rapt attention. Here was his ideal marketing manager; Vijay sprang at the opportunity of using Shankar.

Vijaykumar had a great ambition to become a Spiritual leader and this required no verifiable qualifications or education. Knowing how Indians think, I believe, with his looks and manners, he needed a man like Dr. Shankar to promote him. All he needed was an intelligent, trustworthy and sincere man like Shankar, a person who believed in him more than he himself did, to launch him on his brand name: Kalki Bhagavan. He mesmerized Shankar and possessed him and made use of him until he no longer had any need for him.

I often heard VK saying that we need people to do things and help our cause, and after they have served their purpose they can just go on with their lives. In short he meant he would use people and discard them when they have outlived their usefulness.

People, who know VK well, know he can be very opinionated and even rude when speaking about others. But when actually speaking with the person, he would always be very charming and friendly. After this person leaves, VK generally, among his "trusted" friends, had no problems saying anything derogative about the person.
I never posed any threat to VK's ambition, he perceived me as pawn in the game and so he was always friendly to me.

Vijay Kumar works at J. Krishnamurti's school
Vijaykumar was very impressed by JK; he even named his son [Krishna] after this respected teacher. Dr. Shankar offered VK a job as an administrator in the Valley School office, (as VK did not possess teaching diplomas). Vijaykumar maintained the office files and quickly knew all the confidential information related to people's salaries and private correspondences, he even, without asking permission, read letters JK had written to Dr. Shankar which JK had specifically asked Dr. Shankar to keep private.

Vijaykumar had worked in the LIC (Life Insurance Corporation) branch offices of Kancheepuram and Coimbatore. He seemed to have had quite an unpleasant experience with his work mates. He was particularly allergic to people who hailed from Kerala. He used to call them "Malayalathaans", this aforementioned swear word is generally used by uneducated xenophobic Tamil chauvinists and thugs...

He often said that Malayalees, that is people of Kerala, are not to be trusted and to be watched!


Vijaykumar [Kalki] was rather distrustful of people and often charmed people to get things done. He was charming, treacherous, tactful and a master manipulator of events. He knew how to sideline people when they had outgrown their usefulness or have taken ideologies too seriously or sincerely and had unwittingly obstructed his personal agenda.

Bhagavan never forgives
After reading the personal letters [in 1983] of JK to Dr. Shankar, Vijaykumar felt deeply hurt as JK, in his letters, was very suspicious and dismissive of VK's various claims to have had special mystical experiences. Shankar, who totally believed Vijaykumar, had shared VK's so called mystical experiences with some colleagues, who in turn informed JK. JK then wrote to Dr. Shankar of his opinion about entertaining "mystics" or letting them work in his school. Reading this letter deeply hurt VK's pride and he never forgave JK. From then on his desire to become a guru in his own right got fully strengthened. He began visiting U.G. Krishnamurti. [U.G. Krishnamurti is considered an "enlightened" person by his followers, he used to bad-mouth JK, Buddha, and Ramana and says vile things about them]. While UG was visiting Bangalore, I once accompanied VK to meet UG. In the early 80s' he met UG and learnt the art of dealing with followers. He gradually started showing his dislike for JK and even went to the extent of always addressing JK as "Avan", a very disrespectful and derogatory Tamil term.

Foundation for World Awakening and Jeevashram
In 1983 KFI [Krishnamurti Foundation of India] was running several schools for children of the influential rich people of India. Krishnamurti was impressed by Dr. Shankar's academic background besides his culture and international experience. As JK's Valley School lacked cohesion, structure, stability and proper direction he decided to appoint Dr. Shankar as the Principal. Shankar knew he would not be easily accepted by the political heavy weights in that school. He brought in some loyal friends to support him. Vijaykumar was placed in the office. Krishnan Kutty Nair [hereafter KKN], a former IAS officer [a very respected title in Indian bureaucracy] had given up a promising career to join the KFI [Krishnamurti Foundation of India] in 1976. He was also invited in as a friend by Dr. Shankar.

KKN was educated and deeply interested in philosophy and Dr. Shankar invited KKN, another of his friends. KKN and VK often disagreed; VK could not tolerate Shankar appreciating KKN. VK maneuvered and gradually got KKN out of the way by gaining the most influential place in Dr. Shankar's mind and heart. This was also the time when KFI was going through a crisis and people were leaving. VK found KKN an obstacle and a threat to the trusting and bonding relationship he was developing with Shankar.

Dr. Shankar, KKN and others wanted to propagate JK's teachings. Many people responded to their advertisement in "India Today", a mainstream national magazine, and wanted to join this movement. JK was appalled as he was against this way of going public with propaganda. He wanted them all to tow the line or leave the organization. This led to the exit of Dr. Shankar and all who had been brought in by him.

There were several people, most of them unemployed youth, who responded to this advertisement and had came over to offer their services, and find a way of making a meaningful living, but by this time VK and Dr. Shankar had moved on to a different agenda as they were disappointed by JK's response. JK was also upset by the fact that Dr. Shankar had brought in many people who had no cultural affinity to JK's approach. A sizable section of JK's disciples are from the more educated class of India.

Dr. Shankar had in him a bit of his father's egalitarian compassion which made him want to serve the common man. VK was a very different character; he was practical, a strategist, and a quick learner. He, unlike Shankar, was suspicious of people's motives. His aim was to launch a universal programme acceptable to most people. VK wanted a mass based global movement to attract maximum number of people.

VK [Kalki] never revealed his real agenda. Once, when we were discussing the future, he let us know that a movement that is broad based and all inclusive would be necessary to attract large following so that followers would not feel any need for other complimentary systems, therapies, religions and could be easily weaned off from their original faith.

In 1982 there was no place for Dr. Shankar and others to go and at this time VK had been on a long leave from his LIC job. If he hadn't turned up in 90 days he would have lost his job. Luckily he went back and joined LIC on time.

But, in the meanwhile, a piece of land was available; this land was gifted by Dr. Rajasekar Reddy, a surgeon at Stanley Medical College Hospital. He met two former teachers from JK's Rishi Valley School, and offered them his land in Rajupeta. As these two teachers did not know what they should do with so much land they called Dr. Shankar to talk to Dr. Reddy. This was how Rajupeta land, near Kuppam, was acquired. After acquiring this land VK and Shankar started an organization called: Foundation for World Awakening. The land donated by Dr. Reddy was taken over on a 99 years lease period and converted into Jeevashram; a school modelled to imitate Rishi Valley School but soon it was used as a launching pad for Kalki's coming to save our world. It was here that Kalki's story from rags to riches began. Though he initially began to dream of Gurudom to rival JK, he ended up creating a hierarchy and started "enjoying" the perks of unquestioned authority and complete obedience from his devoted followers.

Ex-followers and true believers of Bhagavan
There were several other people who had trusted Dr. Shankar's belief that Vijaykumar was destined for "Stardom". This higher education or PhD in physics is no guaranty for wisdom in all fields. In fact, Dr. Shankar wasn't that balanced emotionally and sought a foster father in JK and later in VK. Most people who knew Vijaykumar are indeed very shocked to read about his claims that he and his wife, Padmavathy or Amma, had created the Universe. If people were to meet his acquaintances in Valley School or ex-colleagues in the LIC, they could learn much more about VK's evolution.

Decent people like Loganathan, Captain Kumar or Dr. Shankar would probably not dare to discuss their doubts about or suspicions of Vijaykumar publicly; there is always this fear of their own safety and that of their families. In India, it is quite common that Gurus use their thugs, hoodlums and hit-men to orchestrate an accident and kill off people who are critical of them.

Dr. Shankar was the one arranging the Movement around Kalki Bhagavan and for a long time was the only disciple of Kalki Bhagavan. He is no longer in Kalki Bhagavan's Movement and avoids commenting. Today he is living a quiet life in Chennai studying astrology.

Bhagavan's plans for the Universe
This is how a con-man transformed himself to an opportunistic manipulator of events. He called himself Acharya and gradually maneuvered to make people call him "Paramaguru" [roughly translated: the supreme teacher] and later graduated into Kalki Bhagavan [meaning roughly "The Lord God Messiah"].

In India, people tend to ignore thousands of budding Gurus, this makes Gurus go around scout for credible people [like Dr. Shankar, Judges, successful people, politicians, actors, artists, scholars], to endorse them. When Westerners gather and show devotion to a budding Guru, his Indian following increases manifold, because the average Indian thinks highly of the white skinned affluent truth seeker. Moreover, Westerners are in general unaware of the lurking greed for money and power in the Guru's mind. They themselves like the special attention and feel elated and euphoric when the Guru glances or smiles at them. Gurus are often clever, they offer very useful courses to comfort the [budding] follower. When the prospective follower finds some benefit, he/she is encouraged and made to feel a sense of hope and feel very important, he/she is told that enlightenment is not far away. This makes the fanatic follower go around scouting for new recruits to spread this "divine mission" which he sincerely believes in.

People looking for security in their not-so peaceful lives, might benefit from the courses Vijaykumar has put together. He has borrowed most of the ideas from the teachings of JK, meditation techniques of S.N. Goenka of the Vipassana foundation, several other teachers like Ramana Maharishi and yoga teachers, besides generously borrowing from the goldmine of Indian Hindu and Buddhist traditions.

These disciples, desperately longing for enlightenment or to put it differently: want ultimate power or understanding of life, or desperately seek answers to their burning questions, give their hard earned money and labour to this "Master". It would be sad if they live this lie and do not discover the real Vijaykumar Naidu behind the Kalki Bhagavan mask. If they dare to question, doubt and seek real truth they would be freed from living a lie.

These kinds of false prophets bring shame and disgrace to India! One thing common to most popular gurus today is that they do not want you to renounce the religion you were born into, all they ask is gradual acquaintance with their system and once you fully get conditioned or indoctrinated they suck you into their inner circle. After you are found to be a loyal follower they ask you to promote, spread and bring in new converts to their brand of pseudo-spirituality. When you bring in many converts you are subtly rewarded by granting you special private interviews, promotion in the hierarchy and a fast lane to enlightenment!

I do not want to risk my life or that of my loved ones so I prefer to stay anonymous. I, as a fellow traveller in search of truth, feel a compulsion to share my perceptions, it is up to you, the reader, to interpret, misinterpret or perceive as you like.
Good old Vijay is slime, folks, and not fit for residence on the bottom of your shoe.

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54 Comments:

At 5/21/2007 2:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was once deeksha giver.
While getting out the cult,... I got a book of UG Krishnamurti, I was amazed of how kalki was just repeating , with exactitude many of UG's talkings. He would just remove all what was related to gurus and godmen's bullshit, that UG used to talk.
For any deekshagiver interested in verifying this, go read No way Out of UG K.

I totally believe what this man wrote about Kracki.

 
At 5/21/2007 2:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL...You sheeple are a cult yourselves. Jesus Christ i mean some nut job named Jody puts up some crap and you bhaaaaleive it. Keep digging and i'll keep giving Deeksha. Oh and btw Bhagavan says pretty much the same thing as most Inquiry teachers, Brad Warner etc.. Thats because in thier "EXPERIENCE" it is true.
Just LOL!!!
John Christian
Proud Deeksha giver
Salem, Oregon

 
At 5/21/2007 3:00 PM, Blogger jody said...

Bhagavan says pretty much the same thing as most Inquiry teachers

I've only allowed this post to show my readers the depths of the Kool-Aid poisoning that occurs in the cult of the Kracki.

John, I'm sorry that I'm shitting all over everything that makes you feel special. I pray that one day you'll learn to discriminate between the real and the merely self-importance producing.

 
At 5/21/2007 4:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

John,... I feel for you....
You are in my prayers...
Dont give your power away to anyone!!!

BTW, Thruth is one. But the way people express it is always different except for those, who just paraphrase others. Cant believe you are so blind..... poor thing....

 
At 5/21/2007 4:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and most teachers, ... are Kalki's wannabes....
dont trust most of them.

 
At 5/21/2007 5:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kalki does indeed seem like slime. Thanks for posting this informative article.

You get a slight look into his humanness and beginnings.

I am a J.Krishnamurti lover, and find it disgusting how Kalki is putting down JK. JK saw into him and knew he was a fake and a wannabee.

Kalki is a big fraud and deserves to be exposed.

 
At 5/21/2007 6:28 PM, Blogger Durga said...

"Decent people like Loganathan, Captain Kumar or Dr. Shankar would probably not dare to discuss their doubts about or suspicions of Vijaykumar publicly; there is always this fear of their own safety and that of their families. In India, it is quite common that Gurus use their thugs, hoodlums and hit-men to orchestrate an accident and kill off people who are critical of them."

I am curious how common this actually is. If it is as common as you state, it would probably create quite a scandal in the U.S. if actual evidence could be given. I am also curious how the Indian people distinguish the gurus who are sincere in their teachings from those who use that pedestal for self angrandizement.

 
At 5/21/2007 9:59 PM, Blogger onenessunifarcity said...

This story is quite frightening in that it shows how easy it is to become a guru and godman in India.

Kalki was the first place i landed when i went spiritual. I was regularly surprised (after leaving) when i found that most of what he says is copied from other teachers (such as Ramana) while at the same time, K keeps running them down as not enlightened. K kept saying in all his darshans that Ramana was not enlightened.

The only thing original said by K is his 'i and amma are god' line.

Kracki hits at the teachers/gurus like JK, Ramana, UG etc. But he does not openly hit at the religious leaders such as Buddha, Christ and Krishna who are very high on his "enlightenment scale".

 
At 5/21/2007 10:28 PM, Anonymous Anon. said...

I am curious how common this actually is. If it is as common as you state, it would probably create quite a scandal in the U.S. if actual evidence could be given.

Yea, it i possible to get away with this if you are a big and powerful guru. and you have political connections/ buy off the local police etc.
However, lest you think India is the lawless Wild West, lots of the small time fake gurus do get caught, convicted for their crimes and go to jail - like "Swami" Premananda.

 
At 5/22/2007 1:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh durga ... u are so naive.....
do u think those thinks don't happen in the US...?

 
At 5/22/2007 7:29 AM, Blogger Sanjay said...

Durga said:
I am curious how common this actually is. If it is as common as you state, it would probably create quite a scandal in the U.S. if actual evidence could be given.

Anon said:
Yea, it i possible to get away with this if you are a big and powerful guru. and you have political connections/ buy off the local police etc.

I think it is on the exaggerated side. Threat of physical violence is one thing and actual murder is a different thing. How many political connections and police officers someone can buy? If it is something as grave as murder, somewhere, sometime, someone is going to spill the beans. Not to mention the legions of semi-employed small time journalists whose only source of livelihood is the scent of a rumour.

For the large part, the big time gurus are not criminals, just megalomaniacs. They may however generate feelings of intense loyalty among their followers. It is better not to cross swords with them. You never know, which disciple decides to take what action against you to prove his loyalty to his master.

Durga said:
I am also curious how the Indian people distinguish the gurus who are sincere in their teachings from those who use that pedestal for self angrandizement.
Average Indian does not need guru for spiritual upliftment. Role of an ordinary guru is much less glamorous than big time babas. An ordinary guru is a family counselor, an astrologer and a social facilitator who arranges his client's daughter's marriage or pleads for client's son's employment with his wealthier clients. Mind you, a small time guru is equally in danger of getting physically thrashed if his clients find out him to be a con man.

 
At 5/22/2007 8:25 AM, Blogger Durga said...

"Average Indian does not need guru for spiritual upliftment......Role of an ordinary guru is much less glamorous than big time babas. An ordinary guru is a family counselor, an astrologer and a social facilitator who arranges his client's daughter's marriage or pleads for client's son's employment with his wealthier clients."

That's interesting sanjay. However, another commentator on this blog has said that lots of Indians are devotees of the big time gurus. Didn't you say that Sem?

anon said: "oh durga ... u are so naive.....
do u think those thinks don't happen in the US...?

Anon, I don't think it is general practice in the U.S. for gurus to use hitmen to knock off dissenters. the main problem here, which is much more grave than the problem of gurus and enlightenment, is the environmental holocaust which the U.S. and European countries are in a position to address, but criminally go on with business as usual.

 
At 5/22/2007 10:47 AM, Blogger Sanjay said...

Durga said:

That's interesting sanjay. However, another commentator on this blog has said that lots of Indians are devotees of the big time gurus. Didn't you say that Sem?

True. If you have a population of one billion people, even a vanishingly small fraction becomes a huge number. However by and large, big time babas are for westerners and western educated upper-middle class indians. An upper middle class indian will probably be embarassed to acknowledge his allegiance to a traditional non-english speaking non-charismatic family guru. On the other hand, allegiance to an english speaking big time baba is hip and is not considered a source of embarrasment in his social circle.

 
At 5/22/2007 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gurus active in the US have indeed threatened defectors with harm. People who left Swami Muktananda's Siddha Yoga were harrassed and threatened with facial disfigurement (by acid) and worse if they exposed his sexual exploitation of young women and girls. And former devotees of his successor have been harrassed in less dramatic but more savvy ways that are not easy to document or prove--piles of porn arriving in the mail, false information on credit reports, gossip campaigns, etc. It's almost childish, and seems purely vindictive, since the effect is to increase the defector's disgust with the whole sorry mess.

 
At 5/22/2007 12:55 PM, Anonymous anon. said...

I think it is on the exaggerated side. Threat of physical violence is one thing and actual murder is a different thing. How many political connections and police officers someone can buy? If it is something as grave as murder, somewhere, sometime, someone is going to spill the beans.


Sai Baba has managed to get away with murder; people knows his goondas are involved, just that he has managed to quash all legal action tried against him.

 
At 5/22/2007 6:14 PM, Anonymous freefall said...

Anon said:

Sai Baba has managed to get away with murder; people knows his goondas are involved, just that he has managed to quash all legal action tried against him.

I am no fan of Sai baba but there is more here than meets the eyes. How can anyone believe armed intruders to be innocent victims? Despite my personal distaste for this boy-bugger, I would not like to take away his right to be treated innocent until proven guilty.

 
At 5/22/2007 6:42 PM, Blogger jody said...

U.G. and the Kracki are so far apart as to be like a speedy falcon to a huge, lumbering hippo... doing nothing but sitting in the muck while stewing in fraudulently-obtained adoration.

 
At 5/23/2007 7:13 AM, Blogger Durga said...

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At 5/23/2007 11:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Khurram ... i think Ug was right in his perception of u as a guru wannabe.

To any other reader of this blog, reading UG is harmless to the sincere Truth seeker.

 
At 5/23/2007 4:16 PM, Blogger Durga said...

"Padmavathy is the one person capable of embarrassing or frightening him into submission."

To get back to the original post, the woman deserves some credit for this.

 
At 5/24/2007 7:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think I got "too close too the flame" & nearly got zapped to death"

Too bad You missed it. Your ego will still rule your life since you are so skeared of death.

 
At 5/24/2007 1:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I might even have had a so-called "death experience" but gee whizz I'm still around to brag about it.."

Who is still around?

You didn't dear to look for a second at the face of death.

 
At 5/25/2007 10:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It still amazes me to see folks who have spent such a long time involved with "serious spiritual practice" defending their self-image so vociferously. I mean, what's the point of it? If all of those special experiences, visions, mind and body warps and alien visitations, all of the "lingo" from various traditions, all of the cleverness and critical facility ...simply result in the need to cover your butt...I don't get it...why bother? Entertaining, though.
Varahi Devi

 
At 5/25/2007 5:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would never talk about such experience, fellow.... sorry to dissapoint u.
U take such a space here talking about yourself,...and again , I understand even more how UG didnt like u so much ... as u say.... cause he saw in you a potential guruwannabe.

 
At 5/26/2007 8:32 AM, Anonymous satya said...

Sai Baba-
'How can anyone believe armed intruders...'

Umm, because accordng to witnesses they were executed 4 hours after 'intruding' and after extensive beatings, and the knives appear to have been placed in their hands, while their hands have bullet holes from being placed over their faces to shield themselves during the execution (so they were clearly not attacking anyone when they were shot, even if they did have knives - which is doubtful), and they were dedicated devoted young men who had no reason whatsoever to intrude on Sai Baba if he is what he says...

Yes, Sai Bab got away with murder, with complicity of members of national government and judiciary. It is a national disgrace for all of India.

 
At 5/27/2007 2:02 AM, Blogger onenessunifarcity said...

This guy Khurram sounds suspiciously like that aghori nutjob Ethan Walker (who also called himself Kalki Giridharma Bhagavan) who got kicked out of some forums on tribe.net last year (remember him Jody, on goddessence). Used to brag a gr8 deal about his experiences.

Luckily this one doesnt write such explicit stuff, but he's right up there with Ethan/KGB.

 
At 5/27/2007 2:05 AM, Blogger onenessunifarcity said...

The first comment says:
I was amazed of how kalki was just repeating , with exactitude many of UG's talkings.

I was amazed to find how Kalki was repeating what JK says in "The Awakening of Intelligence".

 
At 5/29/2007 4:31 PM, Anonymous Pug said...

Anyone got any solid proof that will blow the iron doors off a true believing proud dickya giver like John Christian. This guy is more set in concrete than born again christian. Poor bastard!

 
At 7/20/2007 8:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The idea of "Kalki" itself seems like a set-up for exploitation.

The number of Avatars has also have grown from 10 to god (the real one) knows how many...

When baseless statements (didnt want to use the term lie here) - usually trivial - are carefully interspersed in a larger factual chunk, we tend to construe the whole thing as a truth and that is what, i guess has been of great use to these mystics..

(For instance in this post - the author has made statements like VK was opening up private letters addressed to Dr. Shankar - How the hell did he know about it?)

Though it all sounds very authentic account of VK's life, I would allow some of these "facts" as the author's extrapolations to strengthen the view points.

Please, dont get me wrong, I do not follow AmmaBhagavan movement nor am I deeksha giver or receiver. If we really do care about the society, why dont we present the facts with evidence and stop these jokers from fooling millions of innocent people?

Today is the first time I read this blog and my hats off to you. This is a great service to humanity! Bust those fakes...

 
At 7/20/2007 10:30 PM, Blogger jody said...

Today is the first time I read this blog and my hats off to you.

Thank you! I have a lot of fun writing it, and I've met some wonderful people here in the comments.

 
At 9/23/2007 4:28 AM, Anonymous V.S. said...

I knew these guys in the 1980s. I endorse the biography of Vijay and Shankar. I also met them in response to the 'India Today' ad.

I cannot understand why an intelligent man like Shankar was fooled by this VK. I knew Shankar personally and really liked his personality. In fact I think VK would have failed if not for Shankar .... perhaps there is more to this mystery!

In fact I owe a great deal to Shankar for introducing me to the teachings of JK. If Shankar was so close to JK I cannot understand how he could have fallen so low! I guess this is KARMA.

 
At 10/11/2007 8:56 AM, Blogger manojskumar said...

Amma Bhagavan is trying their best in the evolution of mankind.
Please help them. If there was even a small truth in the matter that has been written on this blog, Dr. Shanker would have written and come out in public/press against Sri Amma Bhagavan. I know the conscience of Dr. Shanker. He will never compromise on the fate of India.
So, let's not fool around, let's help Amma Bhagavan. It is sad that some of their so called colleagues couldn't understand Sri Bhagavan.

 
At 11/08/2007 12:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this idea of "deekshagiver" as being meritous, as honoring is distorted...sends up a red flag

 
At 11/15/2007 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Great Ramana Maharishi never called himself as God, so did Vivekananda or Paramahamsa and other great souls. But the tragedy that is Indian Middle Class will never get out of it's morass. Be it Godmen, Godwomen, Cricket Demi Gods, Filimi Messiah's et al will have a rocking time as long as this 300 million middle class feeble souls walk this great country of ours. Either they can get rich quick to end their miseries or get dirt poor so they dont even have to bother about their problems as their only worry will be if they will get their next meal. There are another 500 million in that catagory. Any spare God to help them?

 
At 12/12/2007 10:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to manojskumar Post

Mano writes"Dr. Shanker would have written and come out in public/press against Sri Amma Bhagavan. I know the conscience of Dr. Shanker."

Because he did get his share of money and then kicked out his post. A phd in physis and tata institute material, foreign return is looking at astrology of people and charge them in US Dollar >>>>
"http://www.hinduworldastrology.net/index.php?name=AstrologicalServices"

DR. Sankar was in that cult and he left or kicked out by Kracki, so how come this Sankar will come out to say anything...

Kracki and his wife are the blood sucker in indiaand all over the world.

One you fall for their stupid trick and the Deeksha shit, they are sure to collect $ 6500/= and then do care you get enlightenment or not...

Are those dasa are enlightened? for that matter That Kracki or his wife is enlightened...


All they want is money......

 
At 12/22/2007 11:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My husband has been sucked into this Deeksha crap by his brother and sister in law, who completed the 21 day at the Oneness University. I am a strong Christian and believe Jesus is my saviour. How can I get my husband to realize this is a scam. He's working on my children. Help
jk

 
At 12/22/2007 11:35 AM, Blogger jody said...

How can I get my husband to realize this is a scam.

He's into it because he believes it's doing something to him, making him better in some way. As long as he's feeling this, he's going to stay with it.

The cult makes every effort and more to convince their victims that deeksha is making them better. Until he sees that "better" is just "believe he is better", he's probably going to stay involved.

 
At 3/11/2008 9:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

don`t be silly!

 
At 8/12/2008 9:58 PM, Blogger Giridharma said...

Blogger onenessunifarcity said...

This guy Khurram sounds suspiciously like that aghori nutjob Ethan Walker (who also called himself Kalki Giridharma Bhagavan) who got kicked out of some forums on tribe.net last year (remember him Jody, on goddessence). Used to brag a gr8 deal about his experiences.

Luckily this one doesnt write such explicit stuff, but he's right up there with Ethan/KGB.

...what i think is interesting is how many people like you actually "beleive" that because a person signs their name with "bhagavan" that they must be a fake. I used the pseudonym just to see how people would react. And you were right. Either people though I was something special or they thought the opposite. It had a splitting effect. Either way my experiences were unrelatable mostly, so the people like Jody who aren't able to experience what I said, just denied it...just like the jews denied Christ. a few asked some interesting questions though.

Today, i still use the name to weed out the wanna be's from the real thing. It is very amusing to watch people react based on their false core beleifs.

And I can assure everyone that Jody, get's constantly reprimanded and kicked off of groups. I have found that now she/he/it has attained antiguru/guru like status in some places for people who need to beleive in the internet as God or something. Pathetic.

I doubt anyone on this blog has done any real hard research into the Kalki myth. My dog's ass has better information than what I have learned here.

Giridharma Kalki Bhagavan

 
At 8/12/2008 10:07 PM, Blogger jody said...

I doubt anyone on this blog has done any real hard research into the Kalki myth

The operative term here: myth. It's not worth any of my time.

Basically, anyone who calls himself the Kalki has his head so far up his ass he's smelling mouthwash from the dorsal side of his being.

 
At 8/14/2008 4:43 AM, Blogger Giridharma said...

jody said...

Basically, anyone who calls himself the Kalki has his head so far up his ass he's smelling mouthwash from the dorsal side of his being.

...this is in and of itself a myth. You are simply substituting a 2000+ year old myth, with your own anti myth...which is completely empty and has about as much to do with anything as the interior of an anterior posterior.

Jody...hides behind insults to show just how much you don't know, haven't researched, and thus can't express.

As far as myth goes, you don't even know the definition of what a myth is...much less how to identify one, and much less how to differentiate between 2 myths.

Jody's god? the Internet...the god of free speech and ideas and individual hedonistic word bashing....bwah! A place where imagination, creativity, and real free will is ground down into the doubt of pseudo religious fingerpointing masked in junior high language...oh...excuse me, more elaborate language, to keep from getting kicked off.

Simply denying a myth exists is fine. But it is not true, since the Kalki myth exists and is fundamental to the world we live in...of course I can show this at every level of culture and society, without comparing others to dog rectums...why? Research...study...experience...verification.

Jody is a liar...he/she/it beleives very strongly in myth. The myth that the internet will destroy and then remake our current concept of myth itself...into what though?

Apparently, when asked to define her/his/itself, there is only the empty vacuum where dogs lick frequently.

GD

 
At 4/05/2009 8:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is one more guru Paramahamsa Nityananda swami.
He charges $150 for Kalpataru and $750 for Yoga Spurana Program.
There are many foolish people even in Silicon Valley who fall for that and become followers.
I attended a meditation program and questioned them and they asked me not raise questions. Ass holes!

 
At 5/11/2009 1:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know Amma Bhagavan’s family very well. I know how their ways and their motives. They are very cunning. I have seen the heartless side of them. They are innocent looking, manipulative, sweet talking, black hearted, with evil intensions. Their motive is your total surrender and your money. They want to keep you in dark.
Sorry to see helpless people being manipulated. Sorry to see people falling prey to their huge EGO and GREED. Even a single visit to them you will lose your money and if you believe them you are screwed for a life time. There are a few intelligent who have escaped from their mind control techniques. And I’m one of them. By God Grace I escaped from the evil Amma Bhagavan.
Even the people around Amma Bhagavan clearly know that son Krishna Ge is swindling a lot of money and creating false companies to legalise the money.
In due course some people around them are benefitted and they usually praise them.
When they do not have any powers to cure their own old age and their disease how do think they can solve your problems. This group called oneness university’s main goal is to make money by various mind control methods and means. Please do not fall prey and lose your money.

 
At 12/12/2009 2:42 AM, Anonymous Usha Krishnan said...

I am Usha Krishnan. I have been with the Oneness Movement founded by Kalki Bhagavan.

This movement is after the public money. While I myself donated around 30 Lakhs (INR) to attend various courses and darshans with the hope that one day I would get enlightened.
But the truth is I have not moved an inch in my spiritual journey. I have been fooled by them to bring in more people so I can get qualified for higher classes. I did these things very sincerely.

But today, I have discovered that they are collecting lot of money in cash and not only that Bhagavan in his darshan to the Andhra devotees has called his own dasas as thieves and he has warned all his devotees to not give any money in cash to the dasas.

This really disillusioned me.

I have also seen that not a single person in the movement is enlightened.

I also saw and heard that Amma physically tortures many female dasas (monks) and many have left due to severe health problems. One of them even has lost 1 lungs of hers.

This is the state of affairs at Oneness Movement. I am writing this in anonymous with the hope that one day this movement will be closed and the founders jailed for large scale fraud.

I request all government agencies to conduct a raid in the premises again.

Thanks for reading this.

BEWARE OF THIS SHAM !!

Usha Krishnan
East Zone Coordinator
Chennai

 
At 2/04/2010 6:52 AM, Anonymous Peter said...

you silly Indyans cant even see that there is real god on earth. The same thing happened when Jesus was here. Just realise what you are doing before uploading the content on the internet. Had you been in the United States if America, you would have probably been sued by now and may be landed in prison.

god save Indiya

with all kinds of traitors like you no wonder British toook over.

My heart felt condolences to all the so called heartless bblogwriter, and the supportin blogreaders of this blog.

 
At 2/04/2010 6:54 AM, Anonymous Peter said...

and, it would rightly prove that you are a man with no courage to fight or argue with the right people if you delete my above comment.

 
At 3/03/2010 5:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and the final touch, tv9 recetnly reported all the fraud and scandals that go on in and around kalki's ashrams.. is this the end??

 
At 3/25/2010 4:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This guy has finally been proved to be a cheat! Hope he will be tried in court.... ha ho... He must be punished and all his property should be confiscated.... Manjuram

 
At 1/12/2011 12:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very interesting how VK is a cheat, i know pretty well he has copied many things of JK , but i do not know the whole story how he did it.
Great cheat with innocent followers we have put this guy behind bars.

 
At 3/01/2011 11:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the best and most important virtual places ever. Thank you very much for this precious work, Guruphiliac. It's really nice to find some people who have found out the facts about all those pretenders and help others to have a chance of knowing it as it is. India, as like as Brazil, where I was born and live till now, is one of the world poles of the spiritual filthy business, and such a kind of effort in avoiding the charlatans there and here is always very much appreciated.

And for those who are weary of the search, finding themselves in the spiritual hell after starving like deluded dogs, there's no better healing balm than UG.

Thank you.

All the best,

Samuel Pelegrini

 
At 11/08/2011 12:35 PM, Anonymous kishore said...

if kalki talk againist ramana then count the days of him.because lord is the highest temptation of crime...let him do his drama.

 
At 5/28/2012 6:29 AM, Blogger Chandra said...

Certainly Kalki is treated as criminal. But what about loards and loards of people fall for his Deeksha. Do we have any solution to it. Any NGO can come forward to rescue them. Or what is that which is binding these people with HIM so that no external forces could save.

 
At 12/26/2012 10:16 PM, Anonymous original usha krishnan said...

Iam usha krishnan east zone coordinator of the oneness movement. I need to tell you that somebody using my name had given wrong message about bhagawan as though I had posted it. Bhagawan through a miracle brought it to my notice. I just came to know of this yesterday. I pray bhagawan to give his grace to such mischief doers and bless them such that they do not repeat such a papa karma in the future.

 
At 12/26/2012 10:24 PM, Anonymous original usha krishnan said...

Iam usha krishnan east zone coordinator of the oneness movement. yesterday i came to know that using my name somebody had made wrong remarks about bhagawan. Any one can make a post with my name in this blog. May bhagawan shower his grace on such people and bless them too such that they dont repeat their papa karma in the future.

 

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