Inside The False Amma & Kalki Scam
File under: Satscams and Gurus Clockin' Dollars
Recently gleaned from the GuruRatings list, an insider with the Amma/Kalki satscam supplies an all-too believable exposé of their fund-raising techniques:
From a private correspondence, with identifying details omitted:As nasty and dishonest as this pyramid scheme sounds, it's completely understandable. False Amma and her Kalki have got a monument to their monumental egos, the "Oneness Temple," to complete. Plus, we imagine they're in a race to establish world peace before the Maharishi gets to it first with his "Peace Palace" real-estate profiteering scheme. Being able to claim that they're the one true, peace-bringing world savior(s) will go along way toward attracting even more patsies willing to believe that psychotically grandiose "gurus" have something to offer, besides the fellowship of similarly-duped patsies with black holes where their bank accounts used to be.
I have been associated with the cult of Sri Kalki Bhagavan (and his wife Padmavathi Amma), who positions himself as the Vishnu Avatar, and a God - although in recent years he has made his claims a little indirect, perhaps due to media criticism, and fear of ridicule.
I have served this cult for 2 year[s], attended their Deekshas, and [have] done a lot of promotion for them. I would like to bring to your notice that this cult is pressurizing its INDIAN devotees to donate large sums of wealth, if they want to remain in the good books of the disciples (dasas) who run the show, and progress further. We have even been asked to take loans (the last case was Rs 100,000 [$2,220.50 US] which is a large amount), and donate, if we don't have the money. We have been told that we can repay the loans over a few years!
From the day we join we are pressurized to bring in new people and send them for the initial 3-day deeksha (costing Rs 5000 [$110 US]). This is because to qualify for the higher level we must send 60 (now 30) people for the program. First we are told that the 3-day program will enlighten us (for only Rs 5000!), then we are told - sorry the higher process will enlighten you. So we have no option but to talk others (family, friends etc) into joining and going for the 3-day program.
Once we have sent so many people, and we find no change in us, it is very difficult to step out. I have still not told my family that I have left, for loss of face. In order to convince 60 people to go, we have to exaggerate and make tall claims. We have to create a miracle out of each little incident that happened to us (such as getting a green light on the way to work) etc. We have to keep talking of unending grace, and say things like "our whole life has changed". We are all basically sincere people, but we start telling lies without realizing it, and a time comes when we are stuck.
New people are lured in by promises of unending "grace", and then after we tell them lots of stories (most of them are just heard from others, no one has any evidence of them actually happening.), then the disciples ask them to make donations, or go for paid darshans in order to get that "unending grace". These darshans are expensive and the latest one is that we can touch Amma's feet for Rs 100,000. Prior to going for the higher process we were all told that in order for the higher process to be a great success we should make this donation. Many of us are very ordinary people, some have left our jobs to pursue a spiritual goal, so the amount is no small order.
Even the higher process (two weeks) has made no difference to anyone. Although it does seem to us, that the program for foreigners (21 days, USD 5500) has resulted in some enlightened people (such as Freddie Nielsen and Kiara Windrider - we have heard they are enlightened), however in India there is not even an attempt at spiritual growth of devotees. It is only talk of great "celestial" miracles, and enlightenment is always round the next corner, after the next darshan (donation).
Because of all the stories we perpetuate, the number of devotees has really gone up dramatically, each wondering when his turn for endless grace will come. They claim over 30 million devotees, although I don't know how this figure has been computed.
Sarlo, I write this to you primarily because I am concerned that large numbers of poor and low-income people in India are being fleeced by this cult, each hoping that his string of problems will magically vanish after a darshan or deeksha. When nothing happens their suffering increases.
We actually convince ourselves that we are happier than even before for a while after the deeksha. In that short period we are pushed to recruit more people and share our great experiences with others.
The experiences we narrate are always the tales we were told by the disciples about others who got great grace.
Please keep my name under wraps. It is not safe for me, since I have been working very actively promoting this cult, and they know that I can negatively affect them through the internet.
Update: Looks like the miracle-mongering Sri Kalki's magic is beginning to backfire.
posted by jody @ 9:15 AM
121 Comments:
Thanks for this exposé. I heard about Amma earlier this year from a friend and once I checked out their website and saw that they guaranteed enlightenment for ONLY $5000 (or thereabouts) I quickly surmised that this was not legit.
These teachings are priceless, yes. But that means they are to be GIVEN as freely as possible not as outrageously expensive as your Ego permits.
Evelyn Rodriguez
http://evelynrodriguez.typepad.com
Well time will tell I guess. Anyway deeksha do msomething to us! Or maybe it is only we that do it....? Here you have the science of deeksha and altered states:
http://www.newbrain-newworld.com
AndersB
This blog of yours caught my eye today. I had been in the Kalki 'movement' some couple of years back - thankfully, not seriously involved in it. I had some bad experiences therein. Just because I had been going thru some personal crisis at that time, one of the 'highly placed' monks suggested that I should convert myself into a monk. When I didn't show much interest, I was told that it was the will of the 'Bhagavan' and was also repeatedly asked to change my decision. Finally, I got fed up with it all and decided to leave the movement once and for all. My point is, no matter how good the teachings are, what use is it being in an organization that merely adopts an attitude of escapism? The very beauty of life lies in its problems and hurdles - solving them and getting over them is what makes life worth living. Running away from them in no way grants 'mukti' or freedom from them. Makes one wonder if the monks are in it too only because they're too scared of staring life in the eye.
Secondly, this whole thing of paying for enlightenment and then 'paying more for more enlightenment' is utterly ridiculous. Ultimately, the only thing that gets "enlightened" is the pocket of the devotee of the so-called Divine Avatar!
well dear author,
there r a few clear things i can see from ur blog, u have been in the dharma without understanding it, what happened to ur inner integrity and ur authentic self.
you have acted ur self through these days in the dharma,and the reason u havent grown spiritually is definitely ur fault my friend, try to be true to ur self and then complain about others
what happened to ur inner integrity and ur authentic self.
They're still right here.
the reason u havent grown spiritually is definitely ur fault my friend
Who is there to grow? Where would "he" grow to? A place where he accepts the emo-trance trash con man Kalki Bhagavan is selling as enlightenment? Not likely, my friend.
well....i agree with what has been said in the expose....being very actively involved with the dharma i too have faced all of these situations......and have been wondering about them since a while now.......but its different when i think of bhagavan..........it doesnt feel that he can do such a thing...but again....the lies and empty promises stand so true....oh what a conflict.......
when i think of bhagavan..........it doesnt feel that he can do such a thing
Believe it. He does. He is a con man, not a living God.
Dear people,
as long as people need gurus, gurus will appear! As long as people believe they can get enlightenment for money, someone will be there to sell it.
"DEEKSHA" is there for everyone everywhere, we just have to open our heart for it. But who would believe that? Who would really dare to follow her/his own heart?
"DEEKSHA" is there for everyone everywhere, we just have to open our heart for it.
You mean realization is there for everyone, everywhere. Deeksha as the Kracki is selling it is nothing more than a flim flam which seeks to replace enlightenment with an addiction to an emotional trance.
diksha is working.
diksha is working.
Sure it's working, as a way to flim flam folks into paying for an 'enlightenment' that is utterly false.
I can imagine how upset you may feel if you have paid a lot of money and not enjoyed what you have received. I can also guess how hopeless it may feel if the problems are still there and the money you spent to receive the Oneness training has brought neither inner peace nor financial solutions for you. And i can guess that you feel very angry that what you expected to receive you have not received.
I really love receiving and giving Deekshas. I feel tremendously grateful to Freddy for introducing me to this and feel so much gratitude for the Oneness University which has brought great peace and happiness into my life; more than was every there before.
I feel tremendously grateful to Freddy for introducing me to this and feel so much gratitude for the Oneness University which has brought great peace and happiness into my life; more than was every there before.
You have given yourself that "great peace and happiness." The OU training was merely a placebo. Your joy could have come from an almost infinite number of courses and ideologies. Deeksha works the same way that faith healing does. Its power lies with the devotee, not with those scam artists running OU.
dudes, looks like too much of ups and downs, true or false, hey wait a minute..... does anything matter untill we are aware when we are alarmed of facts and of our thoughts or emotions.
A&B hardly matters whether they are true/false, they are there, if we are cautious in our decisions(may be money wise or getting carried away with others experiences)afterall we are living in a practical world, we can cautiously receive what benefits us without any dependency and live independently, what do you say, but ofcourse can be gratefull to nature...
this is a very interesting blog to have serious conversation tlike this may be we can be benefitted and become aware of certain facts that we try to ignore or runaway from. right? thanks for creating this blog
Guys, what do you think!!!
is there any sense that you can see in this .....
Yes, friend you are wrong..
You finaly caught with mind, it thinks a lot. What you gain, with puting such questions???
Listen to your inner heart it will say what is right, what is happening..
There is a lot understand in spirituality, First find yourself who are you? Search what is happening within you?
Seeing "Inside" is important!
After you will definitly get all the answers, what are happening arround.
Without trust on your God how will you get God`s help!
I wonder how you spent 2 great years without understanding fundementals.
My prayer to Lord for you to get Mukthi early.
Freddy Nielsen claimed many personal experiences and 10s of thousands who followed him also expressed 1000s of profound experiences on the other website www.livinginjoy.com, I wonder people comment so silly about oneness movement now. I did personally experience many which are neither dreams nor some sort of emotional related. I too have seen many miracles in my life. All the comments seem childish to me.
I completely agree with Rajesh Krishna, Diksha is something given for the liberation from self and is ofcourse priceless but when u have to do this in this practical world one will have to think of the monetary aspects and support from the fellow thinkers to make it reach across the globe. I personally have attended many retreats and I and have all proved positive for me. So I completely disagree with all the above negative statements.
Dear Freddy,
May be amma and bhaghavan have put u on trust.. even i was introduced by my cousin sister to this dharma, but bhaghavans teaching and Ammbhaghavans grace have been very helpful to me.. my inner world is completely changed...i would love to have more of such amma bhghavans in the universe.. what i feel is freddy, u are not forced but ,dissappointed due to ur expectations.,,thats all...
Whether people are getting their money's worth in an endeavor as subjective as spiritual growth is a little hard to quantify. Calling it a fraud is a little extreme given the context of our society.
1) Is the war on drugs a fraud?
2) Are almost every single one of our politicians frauds?
3) Is the tobacco industry a fraud?
4)Is spending 4 years in a drunken haze and calling that a college education a fraud?
5)Drugging people with prescription drugs, even children, is that a fraud?
6) U.S. border policy, is that a fraud?
7) Is psychiatry a fraud?
8) Is psychoanalysis a fraud?
I could list the societal frauds all day and if I prioritize them as most dangerous first, Kalki ends up towards the bottom of the list.
see Anandagiris comments about what happened to Freddy Nielsen:
http://www.livinginlove.nu/nyheter.php?l=&newsmanager_id=60&category=&rownumber=4
Ask your heart who is stuck in the mind, and who is speaking from the heart... Freddy Nielsen or Anandagiri and Bhagavan.
Nobody is forced to believe anything, just bringing some clarity and different perspective then what is shown on livinginjoy.com. Just listen to the heart and follow it, or just be whatever you are, everything is fine, and soon the golden age will be here... sorry, the mind's days are counted, the mind will soon be gone from this planet.
soon the golden age will be here... sorry, the mind's days are counted, the mind will soon be gone from this planet.
That is the ridiculous lie being sold to you by the Kracki.
Calling it a fraud is a little extreme given the context of our society.
To say that any of the "phenomena" being experienced as a result of taking deeksha have anything to do with self-realization and enlightenment is fraud. To say that deeksha is an "energy" transfer is fraud. To claim that you must pay for something for it to have value or be spiritually effective is fraud.
Hello Everyone,
Please carefully read what the scriptures have to say about who is an avatar how to recognise him, what is Diksha.
First topic is recognition of an Avatar.
An avatar is classified into two categories, when the Personality of Godhead himself would like to descend to perform certain activities is called a Leela or Yuga Avatar these are the integrated expansions of the Lord. These Avatars can be recognised by their superhuman deeds which are not within mans reach like Lord Krishna lifting the Govardhana hill for example these avatars are eternal forms of the lord residing in Vaikunta Loka which is the name of the spiritual realm as per the Shastra or Vedic Scriptures.
The other avatar is the Shakti Avesa Avatar in this avatar a human being is given the strength by the lord to perform extraordinary tasks for the benefit of mankind, these avatars are like Veda Vyaasa, Madhvacharya, Ramanujacharya, Vishnuswami, Vallabacharya, and in recent times Srila PRabhupada. Shakthyavesha avtars are basically human beings who are blessed by the lord to perform great deeds.
Now coming to the self aggrandizement by this Kracki that he is Vishnu avatar or purna avatar the supreme being is a big hoax this guy may have some yogic powers anyway these powers do not even measure to 1/1000,000 million the power of Viswamitra a sage in the previous ages who could create an planetary system. Visvamitra never claimed himself to be God. Look at this guy he is getting old and bald and looks ugly these are not symptoms of Bhagavan.
Parasara Muni father of Vedevyasa says you can call a person Bhagavan on earth or Purna Avatar if he possesses all these categories in full
Sriya-Beauty-everlasting beauty and youth
Bala-strength beyond ordinary human conceptions cannot be measured
Virya-He should be victories under all circumstances
jnana-Complete knowledge
Samagrasya- Should possess all riches
Tyaaga-having all the above should be complete renunciate
Anyone who possesses these above in full is considered to be a Purna Avatar on Earth. Nobody now can claim to have any one of the above in full what to speak of the others. Reason people fall for such Idiots who claim to be Gods is mainly due to ignorance not knowing what is true power of God.
Secondly I will address what are the symptoms of a person who is liberated or self realised. Second chapter of Bhagavad Gita deals with this in detail.
1) Control over the urges of the Tongue.
2) Control over the urges of the genitals
3) Not affected either by situation for happiness nor does a situation of sadness affects them.
4) Tolerant to external factors like extreme heat or cold
5) Even though discharging the duties are not concerned with the results of their work, work is performed as a sacrifice to the Lord.
What I have mentioned there are some of the symptoms of a liberated person, now coming to the people who claim to be liberated duy to unending grace in the form of energy by this Kracki is a hoax since not even one person I have met have shown these symptoms, externally when they meet new people they talk in a manner as though they are not affected by the dualities of material nature and are in a higher state, however one of these Kracki disciples is my sister-in-law even though by nature a nice person is totally illussioned she does not display any of the qualities of a liberated person, she gets affected by any small situation, gets worked up easily, has craving desires for food with onion and garlic and other tamasic food stuffs, gets very emotional and sentimental. When she meets a new person she is a different person trying to show she is very balanced and in a higher state and she claims that she can give this transfer of energy/diksha.
Diksha or Initiation is the beginning of life for a person living a vedic life he starts his journey towards self realisation performs strict sadhana to achieve the state of tranquility, during this process the sadhaka starts acquiring the qualities as enunciated by the scriptures by following the orders of the spiritual master. Initiation is given to the disciple based on his service attitude and not sold for money. Anyone who says he will provide the diksha mantra for monay is a hoax.
Please people wake up read the scriptures have a yearnign desire to know the absolute truth you will find a Guru who is authorised as per the scriptures not these cheapsters.
As Lord Jesus says "let your faith be to yourselves and take care of you".Similarly lets all have independence in our faith, as the old saying " Faith can Move Mountain " . My personal experience after being intiated to Amma & Bhagwan's following is the Peace and happiness that has started prevailing at my Home and Work Place. What else one need? This is what the westerners are seeking when we have it here to experience it.
My personal experience after being intiated to Amma & Bhagwan's following is the Peace and happiness that has started prevailing at my Home and Work Place
All you got was the idea that you were getting something. You have done all the rest yourself. Wake up and smell the coffee. Kalki and his rip off consort are scam artists taking you for a ride.
Wake up Pramod, if you are feeling of peace is like the camel chewing cactus with thorns and drinking its own blood, being totally ignorant that it is hurting itself same is your position resulting from your so called initiation into this Kracki movement. Further your experience is like Aswhattama who was very happy drinking barley water thinking it is milk you speak like this because you have not tasted milk. You are also not aware of what joy of being connected to what the absolute truth is. Anyway as long as there are people who want to get cheated are available there will always be cheaters around.
I believe one should not let another person or God become ones guru. Only throu selfrespect and inner peacework can one find true enlightment and be of any real help to near ones and the world. Yes, I do believe one can find a seed in certain movements or enlighted people but so can one also in any sincere fellow man/woman/child. I have had great pleasure and joy in recieving dikshas this last year and yes, I was somewhat overwhelmed too at the first storytellers satsangs... but followed my inner conviction that I should not be a member of any movement but just benefit from the parts I found corresponded with my own thoughts. So, I´m thankful for this blogg, thank you Freddy although I´ve never met you, as well as I´m thankful for the dikshas I´ve recieved and some wonderful meditations I shared at the satsangs. I wish you all find what you are searching for.
Jody if you cannot have gratitude to the people who has given you peace and happiness then I am sorry to say that is the reason for your narrow mindedness and jelousy, till date I haven't spent a Rupee on Amma And Bhagwan but they have bestowed peace and happiness their fragrance can be felt only to people who has their blessing. No body can take anybody for a ride without their own consent, for any social work money is needed , you cannot build wells house without money, the money collected by oneness foundation goes towards the upliftment of needy, have you ever thought in this anglea I sure your answer will be No ? Here in India we value relationships that is what Amma and Bhagwan are preaching , you weterners do not its value, once you understand you will defintely long for it, let good sense prevail and ask yourself ifs it not that your ego is hurt?
PRAMOD MENON
Suprasada You desperately need a wake up call. Your ignorance and ego has blocked the positive thoughts. Open yourself then you will know for yourself what Amma and Bhagwan can give. Relationships the most vital link of humanity is what they are stressing on . Cherish it you will enjoy , nobody forced you to follow this movement , if you value relationships then follow it to know its true value.
Dear Pramod,
You need to know what ignorance is what knowledge is, what you say should have scriptural validity if it doesnt there is no use pursuing the discussion, because you are pursuing a path of illusion. I do not have anything personally against this guy and his wife, i am only against their false preaching, like i already said if you dont know what true spirituality is you will think any damn thing is because you do not have the taste of it, there is no ego in what i am saying i just pity you and your false guys who claim to be God. No matter what he does the moment he says he is God and he is displaying the limitations of a human being is fraud number one, if you have had received true spirtual grace you will not even address your reply the way you did so ponder again to know who has to really wake up read the Bhagavad Gita, understand the nature of God, human and their relationship is your effort to know what is there should be sincere not half hearted that is my only advice i will not reply to your comments until your discussion is constructive.
I have been in various groups ranging from christianity to forms of eastern religion and have seen deception and fraud in all of them. It is an unfortunate aspect of human nature when it allows the ego/mind to rule without truly being submitted to the Source, as happens with some of these leaders and followers who become deceived.
The truth is all around and inside, each person has to come to it on their own. Even the Bible says to beware of false prophets that are wolves in sheep's clothing, and to pay attention to the still small voice within. And the book "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him" speaks volumes to this issue. The truth is available if we only dare to go within to find it. The problem is the mind continually looks outwardly for truth and confirmation. Our educational system has taught us to look outside of ourselves for answers and solutions and to rely on external authority instead of relying on our intuitive voice within, which is the voice of God speaking to us.
The human condition is subject to limitations and frailties, failings, clay feet, because of the maya and illusion that veils our sight. There may be moments of divine revelation and insight, but because we exist in a world of duality, there are moments of illusion also. It's the age-old interplay of light and shadow, the divine lila, or play.
None of us, regardless of how enlightened we are, are impervious to aspects of the human condition until we leave this realm. "Man" will always fail "man"...this is further teaching that we are to only go straight to the Source for our truth.
Yes, community and fellowship are important, teachers and leaders are needed, we can love and serve and share with others, just do it from a perspective of your own inner connection to the truth.
Jain...
Its absolutely perfect..i agree with you. It should come from the core of your heart.....that is true to ur self and it is true always.
What ever you receive externally it may be help, spritutal awareness or any kind of thing you seek from externally will not last lang with time and fade way...soon
Those who r condemning Amma N Bhagavan will have to face the consequences
If U cant do good to d society pls dont stop others doing good
Those who r condemning Amma N Bhagavan will have to face the consequences
Bhagavan and Amma are two of the most egregious contributors to spiritual ignorance alive in the world today. They are like Hilter and Medusa against the Truth, and their activities amount to 100 concentration camps worth of occluding nonsense.
They are the ones who will face the consequences. There is a very hot room waiting for the both of them in the deepest pits of the worst Hell that exists.
I perfectly agree with Jody any Human Being who claims to be God and manipulating their ignorance will definitley be punished even those who follow them cannot claim ignorance they have the guide books to know who is God he may be a Hindu/Muslim or Christian he has to read their respective scriptures Bhagavad Gita, Quaran and Bible, will know what is God and his nature. Just like anyone who jumps a traffic signal cannot claim ignorance that he doesnt know the law, in the same way a person cannot claim ignorance saying O how can i be punished now to think he is God.
All those who follow him will also be punished they cannot plead ignorance because they cannot claim they do not know the existence of Bhagavad Gita/Bible/ or Quaran which ever background they belong to.
In Bhagavad Gita refer chapter 4 text 5 Lord Krishna says
"ajopi sann avyayatma bhutanam isvaropisan
prakritim stham adhistaya sambhavami atma mayaya"
Translation -
Krishna says he comes through his internal potency (Yoga Maya) even though he is unborn and Lord of all existences.
This means he doesnt change his body like any of us birth/disease and oldage.
You will not find any of the incarnations of the Lord going through old age this Kracki is getting old getting bald and his wife is also ageing, anyone who reads the scriptures will get the intelligence to understand these guys are frauds.
I read one of the pro Kracki saying look within, the method of looking within is also in the scriptures please do not think that people who are trying to expose Kracki to be a fraud are not looking within, because of their genuine concern that more people should fall prey to this false Kracki character this site is existing I congratulate them for this. The Lord situated in their heart has made them do this.
I only pray to the almighty that he forgives this Kracki and his wife and somehow make them true devotees of God in the true sense atleast in their next life.
All those who follow him will also be punished they cannot plead ignorance because they cannot claim they do not know the existence of Bhagavad Gita/Bible/ or Quaran which ever background they belong to.
Nah, I don't think so. All scripture is relative. There is no such thing as inerrant scriptural truth for all.
Bad gurus can work for good people. There's no doubt that people feel helped by their devotion to Kalki. But the truth is their happiness comes by way of their own sincere love. It has nothing to do with Kalki – and he knows it. That is the seed of his sin, and now it has grown into an immense forest, and who knows when it's going to all burn down...
HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT KALKI (THE GOD) NEEDS SECURITY GAURDS TO PROTECT HIMSELF...PEOPLE!! WAKE UP SEARCH FOR THE TRUE GOD THE CREATOR THE ONE. LOOK INTO ALL SCRIPTURES BEFORE DEATH TAKES OVER YOU!!
I had serious suspicions about the movement right from the get-go. The movement didnt convice me, neither did the acharyaji's or dasas. I forced myself however to attend deeksha's and oneness gatherings on request from my parents and brother who were deeply immersed in the moevement. since i lived in a country far away from India where the rest of my family lives, their ideologies were obviously different from mine. I think it was my 5th deeksha in California one night, that completely changed and i glimpsed enlightenment, in as pure of a form as i possibly could. the very thought that drove me to smoke a cigarette or drink alcohol, was seperated from my psyche and i could observe this process of thought formation and the carrying out of a thought sometimes subconsciously, as if i was viewing myslelf from outisde of my physical body. i felt a loss of seperation and a global paradigm shift from within. for those of you who havent been convinced, maybe you should identify the very thought that drives you to reject such a movement becuase you are not responsible for it. thoughts arise and dissipate, its the human mind that chooses to grapple with them and make them a reality. You are never in control of a thought that flows thru your mind, but you can control the effect that thought can bring about if you chose to indulge in it. Enlightenment is easy. No enlightenment is the real difficulty.
I think it was my 5th deeksha in California one night, that completely changed and i glimpsed enlightenment, in as pure of a form as i possibly could.
You cannot "glimpse" enlightenment. You merely generated an idea of enlightenment as an artifact of your epiphany. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "power" of deeksha, and everything to do with your underlying state of readiness for a kundalini event. Unfortunately, this results in an overlay of meaning as the mind attempts to interpret the event according to what they've been brainwashed to expect.
i felt a loss of seperation and a global paradigm shift from within.
Anything you feel is not enlightenment.
you should identify the very thought that drives you to reject such a movement becuase you are not responsible for it.
Yet lives become repositories of experience, pages in the book of knowledge for each life. This construction of fate is designed by God, including all its actions... in everyone.
Enlightenment is easy.
You mean: Enlightenment is easy to imagine when your head is being stuffed full of nonsense about it.
No enlightenment is the real difficulty.
Your "enlightenment" is a blight upon the Earth, a dark body eclipsing the true light of jnana, which has as much to do with any of this as my dog's ass.
Fantastic blog.I have loads to say abt the movement which is why iam planning to launch my own website on this movement.I had been in this movement for 9 long years and was introduced in to it with my mother's miraculous experiences.The last two years were really heady and i was just floating around since i believed i had actually been enlightened.I was appreciated encouraged and given a lot of respect because of my higher status from youth deekshas and other mukthi deekshas.But all this while i had a gnawing feeling this somehow is not true or its not the ultimate truth iam after.also i could not get foolproof answers for my questions even tho i was supposedly to be enlightened(their website says its only partial enlightenment and not complete but all the devotees believe its complete!!).But i have got out of this mess eight months ago all due praises and glory to god.I have finally found the truth abt life,the purpose of our existence,who is our creator,what has he commanded us to do and what really happens to us after death.That my dear friends is the best miracle of my life cos i can honestly and truly say that once i state openly what has happened with me you can see for urself what delusions you devotees are living under(which is not by the way ur fault entirely).Just ask urself these questions-
1.Does God have to be a human being to solve all his problems?thats like saying you need to be a computer urself in order to repair the computer!!
2.Does god need food,water,shelter,family etc on this planet etc and worst of all money to survive???isnt god is the one who provides us with everything and he needs it back from us??
3.like another person has stated on this blog...does god need security guards to protect himself??i have been to three personal darshans so far and all the time i was checked 100% before i was let in(huh????).when he is not confident enough to protect himself how is he going to protect you and ur family???
Its very sad but its true and u just need to be a tiny bit sensible to realise whats going on.But of course that can happen only if god wills and he wants you to be guided and be in the right path.
My prayers are there for all of you that you realise the real truth one day and not just succumb to gimmicks and so called miracles which are not a work of god but the work of jinns.
may peace be upon all of you.
Nah, I don't think so. All scripture is relative. There is no such thing as inerrant scriptural truth for all.
Jody All scriptures according to time place and circumstances and even though i strictly follow the Bhagavad Gita, I am not claiming mine is the only scripture I only told that one should read his scripture to the back ground he belongs and if he is a little broad minded and have the time he/she can also see what all three have to say.
Anyways I again congratulate you for your effort to expose Kracki and his Wife. I have been advertising this site to everyone i know so that everyone reads it this site will definitley provide enough information. Anyway I am sure The Lord Has his plans to ensure this guy is punished properly for his activities.
Hello friends,
let me introduce my self iam raj,
i have seen this blog its nice and interesting, i attended one deeksha i dont think it had helped me but at same time cant say it did not helo me. let me comment on few ppl ideas
jody: you have very good debating skills; but i feel you are contridicting your own statements in first couple of postings. for example some one said you have missed innerintegrity and you ahve to rise and so on for some others comments and you said where should he raise to? later one some one said i raised.. you said its your own work not A&B dont you think it is contridcting.
i have one question did you attend Deeksha?(be authentic to answer OK)
Gauranga Das:
i have a question to you also sir, did you see Krishna? Jesus? or Muhammed? or sri Prabhupad? how can you authenticate all their writings?? you have given big writings from geeta great but remember krishna was also killed(please dont say it was some boon or some blah or his avatar is ended)
and to all devotees of A&B
is there any internal changes in you?
why are you all behing those 2 old people.
have they hurt you?
advaita philosophy says you are god did you feel so?
why do you all waste time in convincing other that what you think is right?(you yourself dont know)
do any one of yo have guts to say i am God?(even as kidding)
and 2012 is not very far whole world will see it, that is it right or wrong.
and if you really want to answer please mailme to
vijendra.raj@gmail.com
Dear Mr Vijendra,
You are speaking with half cooked knowledge, Lord Krishna before he ended his activities on this planet when the hunter Jara shot the toe of Krishna, do you possibily think the lord can die if some one shoots his toe, he spoke to the hunter Jara and in his self same body rose up flew to the Vaikuntam Planets you have neither read the Mahabharata nor the Bhagavatham and you are simply speculating, please do not speak without proper knowledge.
You have read so many school books in your life have have seen all the authors, you have read Newtons Laws have you seen Newton, if you are engineering student and have you seen all those people who wrote those books no... Mr Vijay anyway your lines of argument is very naive and shallow.
Next you say that Advaita Philosophy says everyone is God have you read the Brahma Sutras of Sripad Shankaracharya, have you read Dakshina Murthy Stotram, have you performed Nirvikalpa Samadhi, if you have not read or even heard what these books are please do not speak.
And for this Krack and his wife, they have not done anything to me personally that does not mean I stay quiet when they claim to be God when they arent because he is fraud and a fraud needs to be exposed.
For that matter Lord says in Bhagavad Gita in chapter 5 text 19 a learned man sees everyone as a part of parcel of the Lord from a dog, an elephant a dog eater and a brahmana, so there is no question of personal hatred against Kracki and his Wife so I personally dont have any hatred against them I only want to expose that they are not GOD thats it and people should follow the religion truly through authentic scriptures.
Christianity is an Authentic scripture so is Islam refer Bhavishya Purana written by Vedavyasa more than 5000 years back it was already predicted these religions are considered authentic.
You dont even have the idea what God is, if you are God can you lift the Govardhana hill on your left hand little finger no.. forget it can you lift a table with just your left hand no you cannot if you cannot please do not say that everyone is God.
In terms of philosophy you are not even born yet, anyway there is a beginning for everyone if you seriously try to enquire and need guidance I will write to you however please address your query properly do not challenge what I say please enquire with humility that is the right approach.
Raj Said:
do any one of yo have guts to say i am God?(even as kidding)
One should feel ashamed to say he is God it is not the question of Guts, yes I can say with humility that i consider myself a servant of the servant of God but not God.
Devotees of the lord are humble but at the same time are ready to fight not exactly with weapons but with knowledge and devotion to establish who is true God through the words of God again not speculating but by just re-presenting what is mentioned in the scriptures.
Great Gauranga Dasji,
yes iam a engineering student and i know newtons laws, but they were existing even before newton discovered them. so i need not have to believe newton or his writins and all eng. books because i myself tested and verified them.
HAVE YOU??
iam also very happy to hear that you have no personal feeling on those old ppl.
comming to knowledge,
it is not knowledge by which you get enlightened it is wisdom. It is not person wearing yagnopavitam is a brahman but a God loving person a brahman.
dont go behing books create your own book.
dont take anything for grant fight with it then you will write your own book. (see swami vievekananda talk in chicago)
i know what happened before and after krishnas avatara samapthi iam not a person against krishna nor any other prophit.
other thing before you comment any person try to swim in the water, iam not saying that if you attend deeksha you will become A&B devotees you can get some more loop holes to point at and at same time some things about yourself.
i dont know you have read quran or not ch1 text2 says "khafir ko maro" , but all do not take that to grant, becuse it is wrong, at same time there are good things in quran. take that which benifits you and forefit all that dosent get to you.
reading you reply i felt that my writings have hurt you, personally please do forgive me. and iam some how getting interested in you gauranga dasji, i extend personal friendship with you my emal id vijendra.raj@gmail.com
I just can´t believe in anonymous discrediting of anybody. I´ve been to India 4 times to Amma&Bhagavan´s ashram, to 4 diferent retreats. I am not going to deny what I experienced there. Try with them and experience peace of mind. Diksha works well.
I am not going to deny what I experienced there.
You don't have to deny it. Your experience comes as a result of your sincerity. It has nothing to do with them and everything to do with your faith. They try to take advantage of that faith by asking you to get people to join, to give more money, to believe that Kalki is God.
In essence, they are trying to step in between you and God and extract a "tax".
Juan The Lord says in Bhagavad Gita in Chapter 5 text 29'
Bhoktaram Yagna Tapasam
Sarva Loka Maheshwaram
Suhrudam Sarva Lokanam
Jnatva maam Shantim rrchathi
Meaning:
One who knows that I (Lord Krishna) is the enjoyer of all sacrifices, austerities, and I am the controller of the planetary systems, and knows me to be eternal well wisher of all living entities truly attaiins peace.
This knowledge is enough to attain peace you dont have to spend thousands of dollars to come to India and pay those guys that money to attain peace. Atleast Jody says its your sincerety that makes you experience peace but I am saying you are just convincing yourself that you experienced peace since you spent so much money and you dont want make a fool out of yourself.
Sorry I do not mean to be harsh.
Dear All
I amazed and rather shocked to read all this.
No one has clearly understood the basic. Lord Kalki has never considered or proclaimed himself as a God.
It is true that we devotees, cos of the inexplicable and incredeble experiences have started addressing HIM as God with utmost passion and sincerity.
He is only an Avatar and i am sure you friends DO understand the difference between an Avatar and GOD.
It is sad that most of us donot understand the existence of God and this is Kaliyuga.
What HE is/has been preaching and trying to do is helping everyone to REDISCOVER the God within oursleves, which has been in the earlier yugas. That is to reestabilish the relationship with the GOD within which has been lost in all of us.
As to the money part, there are innumerable devotees, atleast in India, who have not even spent single paise, but only thro chanting of Moola mantra have benefitted.
And no body in this world can force to do something which is aginst your wish. Then why cry on the money spent.
YOU NEED TO APPLY YOURSELF WITH UTMOST FAITH AND SINCERITY TO GET WHAT EVER YOU WANT.
THIS DEFINITELY NOT LIKE GOING TO BAR AND FETCH BOTTLE OF BEER OR WHISKY.
I pray to those who have
written against my Lord Kalki, do nothing but try chanting the moola mantra alone as many times as possible and pl do it with faith and without any fear or inhibitions.
YOU SEE FOR YOURSELF/TEST YOURSELF NOT ONCE BUT AS MANY TIMES as possible TILL YOU ARE TOTALLY AND THOROUGHLY CONVINCED AND THIS DOES NEED ANY MONEY.
As one gentleman has written-2012 is not far away and the whole world will experience,realise, relish the presence of my beloved LORD Kalki and Amma. They also regret for not having estabilished a relationship with my AMMA BHAGVAN.
Amma Bhagvan Sarnam.
SADAGOPAN.
As one gentleman has written-2012 is not far away and the whole world will experience,realise, relish the presence of my beloved LORD Kalki and Amma. They also regret for not having estabilished a relationship with my AMMA BHAGVAN.
And pigs will fly, cows will talk, dogs will love cats and all humanity will rejoice as one in the divinity of Kalki and Amma... NOT!!!!!
You live in a fantasy and believe in fairy tales. Wake up and realize that 2012 is nothing more than the flimflamming device of your beloved criminal avatards.
Dear Mr. Sadagopan...
You have become sentimental, please retain your composure if that mantra of yours really can do wonders you would reply more on the basis of realisation and less on sentiment.
Even an Avatar has certain symptoms which is mentioned in the scriptures this guy doesnt display any of these, this again an advertising gimmick, I have so many cousins and relatives who follow this Kracki and chant his mantra for eons of time but do not display any symptoms of a realized person only thing i notice in them is they are very sentimental, which is not a characterisitic of a sadhak or a Muktha like he claims in he interviews he says sadhana only takes you to one point he says he can give instant enlightenment, he talks all bullshit and people want to follow it because they think this is so easy but enlightenment is not so cheap.
According to me he is doing the greatest harm to mankind because of his stupid teachings he is talking people more into nescience rather than actually showing light.
I always knew he is a fraud now your comments doubles the proof that he is the biggest fraud.
god!
watever bhagvan is......enlightment,moksha,mukthi can be achieved through constant sadhana niether through paying thosands nor by attending homas . in the whole indian philosophy there is no where word like instant enlightment
COME OUT of this fraud
Hello Friends, Let me join the discussion. I have few things to speak.
Firstly, any human being senses the presence of an object through one of his senses and confirms its presence. I am yet to know an object which existed and can not be sensed by anyone of our five senses. To say, anything that is not accessible to one of the senses we have can not exist in the world.
The object GOD, is such an object which is not reachable by any of these senses. If one claims he/she has experienced GOD, he or she must have experienced the same with one of his/her senses. And if one in this universe can sense or experience the same, it is naturally possible for any human being to sense the same as everyone (almost everyone) has same set of senses. Am I making my point clear? It means there is no such object called GOD. The word GOD means an illusion and just does not exist.
No human being or most of the human beings are basically insecure on one or more aspects and hence look for a person/thing/object to get out the same. In the proces, one chooses one's own way to feel the false sense of secuirty. GOD is such an illusionary object, who is not there, not seen, not felt is the perfect thing to develop security and lead a comfortable life. Here, there could be a question. What is the harm then? The harm here is not from the thing GOD but the object which poses it to be a GOD. How can one be an object or a thing which does not exist?
Regards
When Mukti first came to Sweden (I got in contact 2002) it was very cheap to join their courses. I payed 40 Euro for a weekend and got the opportunity to sleep for free in the school where we were having the classes. This was called Mukti 1. Then I went for Mukti 2 and it was a little longer weekend - but about the same price. I think around, 60 euros. I do not remember exactly - but it was well underneath 100 Euros. That is not much for teachings during a whole weekend. Most other teachers take 240 Euros for the same endurement. I went to courses with Palle, Freddies younger brother. I found the teachings grounded, and I learnt a lot about different techniques of getting rid of "pain" and awakening you own "higher self". It was very nice experiences - and I was especially touched by that Palle gave healing for free (once per week - outside the courses). That "non-capitalistic" thinking was what made me interested in Kalki and Amma. I took part in Mukti 1 and 2 again, as an assistant. Then I went to Mukti 3 - one week in silence. It was also cheap, 300 Euros for one week in a hotel shared room, and all meals included. I learnt a lot and experienced rising Kundalini-energy in my spine - but also saw that the program was made to exhaust people. Waking up at 5 -doing mantras and yoga and only drinking tea in the morning. We didn't speak during this week. It was a very interesting experience not to speak - but I also got aware of the "passion" or "obsession" of Freddie. In my eyes - he was looking for "lovesoldiers" who wanted to go to India and get enlighted to spread this all over the world. I was very tempted, cause I have a deep longing for helping myself and others - but I hesitated and thought it was too much money (I believe 1200 Euros). Then a lot of people from Sweden started to go to Oness university in India for one week to get the enlightment. And they came home, and not many of them were enlighted... They had had nice experiences some of them, but not enlighted. But Kalki and Amma had promised this for everyone. Well, now they were told it was the 21-day procedure in India that was the "one" that would help you get enlighted. It cost 4000 Euros.... !! I thougt - my gosh this is going crazy. A movement I put my trust in to be "non-capitalistic". They told us - someone has to pay for the temple an the westerns are those who have the money...
Another feeling of the leaders in Mukti - was the need of being famous. The ones who knew a lot - was more cared for and devoted. People who thought they were not as far in their development "looked up" to them.
And I also saw that many people after being in India started to make money out of their experiences. Money heling for example. Pay a lot of money and get better economy. This has of course not anything to do with Kalki and Amma - but is an example of how different people, try to make a profit out of what they learnt and everyone has their own perception of what they learnt...
I'm not angry with Amma and Kalki. I feel - a lot of people will learn a lot about themselves due to the Mukti movement. For me this was a process to start listening more to myself and my own needs. Not to let anyone else decide. I'm happy for the experience when Freddie tought us about the sutras (the indian tradition has a ot to give) and also for the lesson of listening more to myself than him. I am also very greatful to Palle for learning me helpful tools for looking at myself in a different way, nice meditations from the Indian tradition and techniques to heal myself.
I also want to tell my appreciation to the person /persons who started this blog - and to Jody for being honest and telling us your thruth. We really need to talk about theese things. The "guru" trap is always there and will always be.
I have great trust in every single persons own way and choices and I'm sure we all learnt a lot from this. I still do not take deekshas, but I do not condemn those who want to do it. I did warn them before - but not any longer. To condemn others - makes both your own energy and the energy of the ones you condemn lower. That is my experience. And that is something I have found out all by myself. Not with Muktis help. And that feels great. Understanding comes from the inside. And every single person can get in contact with it. Thats my thruth. And everyone has to work with their own insides. No one can do it for you. that is my opinion. This is why I stopped taking part in deekshas. Forme it is not the right way.
With all the respect for anyone who has been, or has never been or are in the Mukti movement: Our goal are all the same. An inner longing for love, selflove, peace. trust and feeling of being accepted. Take care - and again thanks for this blogg that made it possible for me to express my feelings of being part of the Mukti movement for one year or two...
/C
Dear Anonymous,
Please see my comments to your statement below:
Firstly, any human being senses the presence of an object through one of his senses and confirms its presence. I am yet to know an object which existed and can not be sensed by anyone of our five senses. To say, anything that is not accessible to one of the senses we have can not exist in the world.
Previously before the Microscope was invented no one would have seen electrons, protons neutrons etc., so people never knew about out, this tiny cells were outside the purview of our normal senses, however when a microscope was invented we could see it.
The object GOD, is such an object which is not reachable by any of these senses. If one claims he/she has experienced GOD, he or she must have experienced the same with one of his/her senses. And if one in this universe can sense or experience the same, it is naturally possible for any human being to sense the same as everyone (almost everyone) has same set of senses. Am I making my point clear? It means there is no such object called GOD. The word GOD means an illusion and just does not exist.
No human being or most of the human beings are basically insecure on one or more aspects and hence look for a person/thing/object to get out the same. In the proces, one chooses one's own way to feel the false sense of secuirty. GOD is such an illusionary object, who is not there, not seen, not felt is the perfect thing to develop security and lead a comfortable life. Here, there could be a question. What is the harm then? The harm here is not from the thing GOD but the object which poses it to be a GOD. How can one be an object or a thing which does not exist?
Now there are a number of saints who have seen God eg: Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Vishnuswami, Sakubai, Tukaram, etc., they have described God and his incomparable beauty in the same way as it is described in the scriptures, yes they have seen the Lord through the physical eyes. Just like how we can see the electrons and protons through the microscope if we follow the process laid out in the vedic scriptures on the path devotion eventually you will see the lord who is now not visible can make himself visible to same self same eyes.
Now it is very naive to say no i do not believe it until you actually make an attempt.
Now how can you say people who believe in God are insecure, I think it is the other way around, people who are in the process of Yoga are not out of insecurity more out of Inquisitiveness or Knowledge. What kind of insecurity can a person have-birth, death, old age, disease these are the primary problems a human being is supposed to search out permanent solutions to these problems because other things like eating sleeping mating and defending this faculty is there even in animals. So even if we have the biggest degrees and our purpose of life is to just eat, sleep, mate and defend better we are no better than animals.
Answers to the problems of birth, death old age and disease is already there in the scriptures and it is dealt with in great detail especially in the Vedic Scriptures. One more example say if there is no TV some one comes and talks about US president and you are staying in India, you have not seen him so are you going to say no I dont believe such a person exists because I dont see him, only if you were to go there or if he comes to India can you see him in the same way, if the Lord wishes to reveal himself to you , you can see him so you have to call him out through the process laid out in the scriptures, you can see him. If you do not believe it is your ill fortune thats all. Anyway I do not reply to such naive, ignoramus comments like this however somehow compassion overtakes and I feel like writing to you.
All the best
Your ever well wisher
Regards
At 7/04/2006 4:37 PM, /C said...
When Mukti first came to Sweden (I got in contact 2002) it was very cheap to join their courses. I payed 40 Euro for a weekend and got the opportunity to sleep for free in the school where we were having the classes. This was called Mukti 1. Then I went for Mukti 2 and it was a little longer weekend - but about the same price. I think around, 60 euros. I do not remember exactly - but it was well underneath 100 Euros. That is not much for teachings during a whole weekend. Most other teachers take 240 Euros for the same endurement. I went to courses with Palle, Freddies younger brother. I found the teachings grounded, and I learnt a lot about different techniques of getting rid of "pain" and awakening you own "higher self". It was very nice experiences - and I was especially touched by that Palle gave healing for free (once per week - outside the courses). That "non-capitalistic" thinking was what made me interested in Kalki and Amma. I took part in Mukti 1 and 2 again, as an assistant. Then I went to Mukti 3 - one week in silence. It was also cheap, 300 Euros for one week in a hotel shared room, and all meals included. I learnt a lot and experienced rising Kundalini-energy in my spine - but also saw that the program was made to exhaust people. Waking up at 5 -doing mantras and yoga and only drinking tea in the morning. We didn't speak during this week. It was a very interesting experience not to speak - but I also got aware of the "passion" or "obsession" of Freddie. In my eyes - he was looking for "lovesoldiers" who wanted to go to India and get enlighted to spread this all over the world. I was very tempted, cause I have a deep longing for helping myself and others - but I hesitated and thought it was too much money (I believe 1200 Euros). Then a lot of people from Sweden started to go to Oness university in India for one week to get the enlightment. And they came home, and not many of them were enlighted... They had had nice experiences some of them, but not enlighted. But Kalki and Amma had promised this for everyone. Well, now they were told it was the 21-day procedure in India that was the "one" that would help you get enlighted. It cost 4000 Euros.... !! I thougt - my gosh this is going crazy. A movement I put my trust in to be "non-capitalistic". They told us - someone has to pay for the temple an the westerns are those who have the money...
Another feeling of the leaders in Mukti - was the need of being famous. The ones who knew a lot - was more cared for and devoted. People who thought they were not as far in their development "looked up" to them.
And I also saw that many people after being in India started to make money out of their experiences. Money heling for example. Pay a lot of money and get better economy. This has of course not anything to do with Kalki and Amma - but is an example of how different people, try to make a profit out of what they learnt and everyone has their own perception of what they learnt...
I'm not angry with Amma and Kalki. I feel - a lot of people will learn a lot about themselves due to the Mukti movement. For me this was a process to start listening more to myself and my own needs. Not to let anyone else decide. I'm happy for the experience when Freddie tought us about the sutras (the indian tradition has a ot to give) and also for the lesson of listening more to myself than him. I am also very greatful to Palle for learning me helpful tools for looking at myself in a different way, nice meditations from the Indian tradition and techniques to heal myself.
I also want to tell my appreciation to the person /persons who started this blog - and to Jody for being honest and telling us your thruth. We really need to talk about theese things. The "guru" trap is always there and will always be.
I have great trust in every single persons own way and choices and I'm sure we all learnt a lot from this. I still do not take deekshas, but I do not condemn those who want to do it. I did warn them before - but not any longer. To condemn others - makes both your own energy and the energy of the ones you condemn lower. That is my experience. And that is something I have found out all by myself. Not with Muktis help. And that feels great. Understanding comes from the inside. And every single person can get in contact with it. Thats my thruth. And everyone has to work with their own insides. No one can do it for you. that is my opinion. This is why I stopped taking part in deekshas. Forme it is not the right way.
With all the respect for anyone who has been, or has never been or are in the Mukti movement: Our goal are all the same. An inner longing for love, selflove, peace. trust and feeling of being accepted. Take care - and again thanks for this blogg that made it possible for me to express my feelings of being part of the Mukti movement for one year or two...
/C
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hi this is sumit gupta. and i m a devotee of amma n bhagwan to whom u call frauds. this is a good thing to bring people out from scams which r meant just to loot the people. but without complete inspection u shud not just write or publish wrong about anybody. i have experiences, yes my personal experiences which make me follow my sweet amma n bhagwan. i saw hem on the moon. not just there but even after coming from there. they eat food at many places just through their shrimurti(photo) just to make his presence felt. they are alive even in that photo. and believe me this is not a joke. it is physical reality. he is the supreme consciousness. even if u dont believe in him just take their shrimurti and talk to them. tell them ur problems. they will be solved for sure. u hav no right to condenm them. see their passion and love for you- even of u condenming them, they still love you. they love you more than you love yourself. just maintain a relationship with them and you will soon start experiencing them. and that won't cost u anything.
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but without complete inspection u shud not just write or publish wrong about anybody.
Anybody who claims to be more divine than you or I in any way, shape or form is automatically a fraud. The writings of Kalki B. are all one needs to indict him as a flimflammer.
they love you more than you love yourself
Dude. You have drank the Kool-Aid for sure.
Bad gurus work for good people. This seems to be the case in your instance. You are sincere, and this enables your bhakti. It has nothing to do with the satscammers you happen to believe in and everything to do with your pure heart.
Dear Sumit,
In Bangalore say around 15 years back around 20 Kalkis were invited each not knowing the other was invited all these guys either claimed themselves to be kalkis or people called them kalkis it was such a big joke when the interviewer requested them among themselves to decide among themselves who is kalki, right now a hundred people claim to be kalki avatars and their followers claim bigger miracles than what you mention, please see through the yoga shakti of a true avatar is not at all comparable to these cheapsters, Lord Krishna could lift a mountain on his finger tips please wake up they do not even have their own consciousness proper what can they talk about supreme consciousness.
This is like the Blind mand Leading the Blind all will fall in the ditch.
Your ever well wisher
amma and bhagawan has started oneness university where a human being is taught to under stand first himself and then see the world himself. He advises to throw out all wastes in one's body and mind and stop allowing inner processes that takes place in every human being. By this teachings, I and many around me,have benefited.
Then, where is the question of criticism. It is not correct to praise high and scold somebody for some reasons known to them.
hi jody and the other well wisher of mine, see i m not condemning ur statement. please dont take me wrong. i myself laughed at my friend when he told me about amma and bhagwan. but i had some problems in my life so i went there in hope that my problem may get solved by the divine bliss. and please beleive me, my whole perception about god changed. i hav met three people personally where the lord comes and eat food daily just through the shrimurti(lord's photo). i met one lady in my hometown(nagpur)who was on bed for thirteen years and she had tried every possible thing to get cured. then somebody told her about amma n bhagwan. her husband managed her to take there for diksha. but there she felt sick. she couldn't attend the diksha process in the hall where it is normally given. she couldn't attend other processe too. and she didn't eat food for about a week. then dasaji(lord's disciple) came to her room and gave divine healing. then dasaji went away. then she moved over the toilet pan for urination. while urination something felt along with urine. she told me that it was a piece of unusual flesh and it was stinking so badly that she couldn't bear it even for a minute. so she threw it away without showing it to anybody. then our beloved amma appeared in front of her and gave her diksha. the next day she ate one chapati. then she started feeling fine. and slowly recovered. now she is completely normal as the other people. i know thousands of other miracles.
i myself saw them on moon as they are seen in the shrimurti. these are some physical miracles. i haven't told you the changes i underwent after receiving diksha because you may doubt them.
my amma and bhagwan hav changed my life. i love them as i love i love my parents. i haven't met them personally. but they are with me always.
so please don't waste much time and attend the process. even if you think that your life is good, let me tell you that we can't imagine the life we get after diksha.
the lord says- the biggest suffering of human mankind is that they doesen't know that they are suffering. you can contact me on- guptasumit23@gmail.com .
if you think that your life is good, let me tell you that we can't imagine the life we get after diksha.
Dude, you are one crazy hombre. The only reason I published your comment was to show everyone else just how sick a Kalki devotee can be and how he preys upon the likes of you with his miracle-mongering nonsense.
God bless you, you need it bad and you obviously aren't getting it from Kalki.
My first response to oneness university, I have seen these Kalki Characters or disciples no one possess the qualities of a liberated person. Infact they are more sentimental and more attached than normal. My sample is 100% these guys do not accept the scriptures this guy Vijaykumar who claims to be God which I have read in his articles keeps contradicting himself so many times, first thing is the 2012 event. There are a number of people who have taken dikshas from him (remember once a person who takes diksha is enlightened) enlightened means he has attained his original svarupa that in the form of sat cit and ananda, cit is one of the basic qualities of a soul which means that the soul is eternally cognizant, the moment he is cognizant he will know who he is and see things as they are, so if these guys who have taken diksha are really enlightened why have they broken away from Kalki, if this Character Vijaykumar is the true God.
One person is telling why are we criticising him if he is doing good to the people, one should know what is Good and what is Bad first of all to know how to do Good to people, now say a person has 5000 crores and he spends 1 crore for the people as charity everyone will think that oh he is soo Good i have not seen anyone do this kind of charity, in the same way all the fraud guys who call themselves Gods are the same they amasss huge amounts of money through gullible, innocent and ignorant people and return back only 0.001% of what they collect, please wake up actually this diksha is even taking away your basic common sense forget about enlightenment.
Hi Guys WellIdont knowkalki is GOD or FRAUD? But i do knowonething that all these guyswho havespoken here dont knowwho god is? and what the ultimatetruth is. So everybody can do thier work rather than chatting here
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Risshy,
This is a typical case of a guy who doesnt know a