Friday, December 02, 2005

The Kracki Keeps Up The Dumbing Down

File under: Satscams and Gurus Clockin' Dollars

Do you hear that giant sucking sound? That's the intelligence screaming out of the heads of those who believe the Kracki, otherwise known as Bhagavan Kalki, is the new world savior. Among them is one Isaac Shapiro, a teacher of nonduality and the latest to go idiot in fealty to this money-lusting satscammer. Here are some excerpts from a letter written by Shapiro to his students, with a bit of commentary on our part:
Whilst in India, Anandika and I, went to see what was happening at the Oneness University also called Golden City, the vision and manifestation of Kalki and Amma. We were blown away.
The Kracki's big bucks impress. No wonder they call it the Golden City.
What touched us was at many different levels. We met many of the people who have spent about 14 years in this vision and are part of the team. We were treated with love and respect.
Of course they were! The Kracki loves to put on a show for his potential Western boosters.
On a practical level, we heard and saw dvd's of programs that are happening throughout India in the tiniest of villages which are functioning at a subsistence level. There has been a huge problem of alcoholism and family violence as these people have been caught in the downward spiral of the poor getting poorer. Villages that have had deekshas don't have the alcohol and family violence anymore.
Right. And our dog poops out roses in full bloom.
The people are more motivated to improve their lives. Some of them have attained recognizable high states. A community building has often been donated by The Golden city and villagers are learning and exploring functioning as a community, to function as oneness. The Indian government recognizes the benefits that are happening and are actively supporting this vision.
For sure! With their hands in the Kracki's pockets, of course.
Deeksha's, the transference of energy which rewires the nervous system so it is capable of being an embodied expression of unconditional love, has burst onto the world stage. It is spreading at an incredible rate.
Mass hysteria, the friend of every big time guru.
People from all over the world are attending 21 day courses which depending on which country you come from costs $5000. The money is being used to facilitate this vision of transforming humanity by 2012.
He means: to facilitate the construction of monuments to the Kracki's psychotic grandiosity.
At present 400 people a day can be facilitated and by next year 1000. People have come from all over the world including shamans from some of the indigenous tribes, pygmies etc. What is unique is that whatever religion or belief system people come with, the course is adapted to that. And sometimes there are muslim groups, christian groups and other religions happening simultaneously in different rooms in the university. What is remarkable is that Kalki is able to bring people to a realm of consciousness where they meet their personal manifestation of God, as real as we talk to each other.
Come to India to get cracked with the Kracki! No drugs are necessary!
So Christians meet Christ, Muslims meet Mohamed, advaitians meet Ramana, and so on. Unconscious programming is seen and realized to be love with the transformation that happens in that. The beauty is that people are empowered to be part of this team and facilitate this in others.
Spreading the disease, er... we mean joy, once they are infected themselves. Important note: any Advaitian who sees Ramana after visiting the Kracki deserves the delusion.
We met Sri Kalki. How to describe. On the surface an ordinary man, humble, available, sweetness itself. I felt seen and noticed my whole energy system vibrated in a gentle, powerful intelligence. Exquisite.
Translation: he made me feel good like a good con man should.
Easy to talk with, love meeting love. Millions see him as an Avatar. He talks about his capacities as something that is available to all of us, as our systems rewire and knows how to have this happen. Awesome. When he talks in India 100's of thousands show up for his darshan. His capacity to feel you is huge, so to me he is an expression of compassion.
A very good con man, apparently.

Extra super special bonus: Here's what Ammachi has to say about the shenanigans:
You cant pay for realization, if you could, many multimillionaires would be self realized. The whole idea they are saying is untrue: that you get self realization and then you pass it on to someone else. It takes a lot of penance and its not easy to get - to tell people this and expect people to pay a lot of money is not a good thing.
As much as we fault her for letting people think she is God, you gotta love good old Amma for taking a stand (and protecting her own interests, of course.)

We've said it before, but you could do a lot worse than Amma if you're looking for a big time guru to follow. Just try to remember that she poops on a toilet, too.

7 Comments:

At 12/02/2005 11:31 AM, Blogger facedog said...

This is the group I was talking about. It's amazing what you can buy if you have the money, even God.

 
At 4/02/2006 7:23 AM, Blogger cameron burgess said...

i am a close personal friend of isaac shapiro's and have been sitting in satsang with him for over ten years - i also offer satsang myself

perhaps i will also come under the scrutiny of this blog, although given the small size of our meetings it is unlikely

the thing that interests me here is the value judgments made in reference to isaac's email - something that i imagine you have not taken the time to take up with him directly

i am not certain about kalki or deeksha - yet i have seen the effect upon people who have been to the golden city, and also have seen what happens for some people when they receive deeksha

something definitely happens - though what that is, and what it means, who can say

if you are interested in spekaing with isaac directly in regards to his experience in india, i am happy to provide his contact details.

he is aware of this blog, although in no way concerned about it

just two days ago he spoke with the sangha in byron bay and expressed in great detail his concerns about 'the oneness movement' and the possiblity for things to go astray

isaac and anandika are not fools - they went at the invitation of kalki, and have returned, and are continuing to offer satsang as before

as with all things, isaac's sense of it is 'if you feel to go, go'. if not, don't.

only the mind would bother to engage with this long term - disharmony cannot speak to disharmony

it's very easy to be critical

it's another thing altogether to enquire into who it is that is having this experience

why not pause and look at who it is that takes issue with this

 
At 4/02/2006 6:12 PM, Blogger jody said...

perhaps i will also come under the scrutiny of this blog, although given the small size of our meetings it is unlikely

If you claim that you are more divine than anyone else, or if you claim that self-realization comes with magic powers, then you are fair fodder for this blog.

the thing that interests me here is the value judgments made in reference to isaac's email - something that i imagine you have not taken the time to take up with him directly

I had an email discussion with Issac over the course of a week after I put up this post. We went back and forth and got nowhere. Deeksha and the idea of Kalki being god have as much to do with our truth as the Self as my dog's ass. My basic message to Issac was: neti, neti.

i am not certain about kalki or deeksha - yet i have seen the effect upon people who have been to the golden city, and also have seen what happens for some people when they receive deeksha

Sure, it's a trance state and communal feel good party. People feel something because they believe they feel something. But it has as much to do with self-realization as my dog's hiney.

something definitely happens - though what that is, and what it means, who can say

I can. It's bullshit.

if you are interested in spekaing with isaac directly in regards to his experience in india, i am happy to provide his contact details.

Already did, we got nowhere. If he still believes this all has anything to do with self-realization, he is not qualified to be teaching Advaita.

just two days ago he spoke with the sangha in byron bay and expressed in great detail his concerns about 'the oneness movement' and the possiblity for things to go astray

It's been astray for the last 10 years or more, ever since that narcissist nutbag who claims to be the Kalki got things going.

isaac and anandika are not fools - they went at the invitation of kalki, and have returned, and are continuing to offer satsang as before

I'd say their satsang is worthless if they're still bought into this Kracki crap.

as with all things, isaac's sense of it is 'if you feel to go, go'. if not, don't.

The fact that Issac lacks the discrimination to see it for the scam it is indicates to me that he's not the guru he promotes himself as.

only the mind would bother to engage with this long term - disharmony cannot speak to disharmony

Your rejection of discrimination is noted. It doesn't say much about your qualification to lead satsang yourself.

it's another thing altogether to enquire into who it is that is having this experience

That's what I'm saying. Anyone who has an experience of anything is illusory. They promote all kinds of different states of consciousness. Each and every one of them has as much to with the truth of the Self as my dog's ass.

why not pause and look at who it is that takes issue with this

The author of this blog, who came to see himself as he is and then noticed all the ridiculous things he believed about this which were wrong. What you believe about realization prevents realization. Issac and Kalki are both creating a storm of occluding belief in their satsangs, doing more to prevent self-realization than if they brought a pound of heroin and shot everyone up.

 
At 4/07/2006 3:53 PM, Blogger cameron burgess said...

i feel there may be some value in further clarifying my comments and your responses to them:

1. no-one is more divine than anyone else - there is simply consciousness and infinite mental stories about it

2. 'siddhis' are commonly referred to in yogic literature - they are not an indication of divinity, but have been noted as something that may arise due to realisation. if one becomes trapped in the siddhis, there is an issue, if not,there is no issue.

the arising of siddhis, however, are not required, and i have seen few in the west who have 'manifested' any such powers

3. kalki is god! as much as you or i or anyone else. i don't dispute that kalki is god, and neither should you. if, however,you are suggesting that kalki suggests he is the only god, well, i too would not agree with that.

4. there are close friends of mine who have been to the golden city, and there can be no doubt that something deeper was seen from their time there. Whether this is similar to those who spent time with ramana or papaji i cannot say. However, ramana did speak of the deekshas of speech, touch, looking and silence. Perhaps what kalki offers is the deeksha of touch. Again, i have no direct experience of this man, so i am not able to make comment. Do you?

5. i comment that isaac has expressed concens about the oneness movement, but rather than acknowledge this you leap straight over it

6. you could only comment on the relative value of isaacs satsang if you have sat with him. i have never sat with gangaji, adyashanti, neelam, papaji, ramana etc etc so i am not qualified to comment on the value of their satsangs - and semantic ducking and weaving around it won't make any difference

7. isaac and anandaka have not 'bought into' anything - they were invited, they went, they had no 'experience' in being there, they came back and answered the sanghas questions about what they saw, and then they put it aside

8. isaac does not promote himself as a guru - in fact he does not promote himself at all. he has made it very clear he has no interest in being a guru - that he sees his function currently to be pointing people back to what they already know.

unlike other so-called gurus or teachers,isaac is readily available on email and phone, and is available to all. there is no great cavalcade that tours with him, he pays his own way, and stays with students rather than in hotels a lot of the time.

This is no primadonna, but a real man, with great humility. he has, and always is, totally exposed.

9. i do not reject discrimination - in fact, i typically instruct my 'students' not to come back to satsang after seeing who they are - there's no point in continuing to sit with a 'teacher' once you recognise there is nothing but consciousness. Further, to disciminate on the basis of one's experience is wise, to discriminate on the basis of opinion is foolishness. i have no experience of kalki therefore i have no opinion of him. however, i am clear that there is no experience required for realization - there is nothing required.

10. your comments about isaac creating a storm of occluding beliefs in his satsangs are not my experience of him - now or ever. Perhaps that is your opinion - but if you had sat with him, you would know the difference.
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Sadly, text-based communication is never as effective as verbal, and verbal is never as effective as inter-personal.

Should the opportunity arise to sit with isaac, perhaps you will find him as open to your rigorous questioning as any.

you are clearly devoted to Truth - i have looked through posts on your other site - i would caution against allowing that devotion to become confused with mental posturing, however.

what you believe about realisation prevents realisation, as you say. Clearly you believe that realisation has nothing to do with deeksha.

An interesting thing to look at perhaps.

For me, i have no opinion on it, and see no value in having an opinion on it. Until i meet the man, what can i say of him except 'he is'

After all, Kalki is just consciousness - same as everything else.

 
At 4/08/2006 12:28 AM, Blogger jody said...

2. 'siddhis' are commonly referred to in yogic literature - they are not an indication of divinity, but have been noted as something that may arise due to realisation. if one becomes trapped in the siddhis, there is an issue, if not,there is no issue.

There is the issue of those who expect siddhis will indicate their own realization. They'll be waiting for their powers to come and thereby miss the truth that sits on the end of their noses... outside of any phenomena, supernatural or otherwise.

3. kalki is god! as much as you or i or anyone else. i don't dispute that kalki is god, and neither should you. if, however,you are suggesting that kalki suggests he is the only god, well, i too would not agree with that.

The Kracki's words:

)) Questioner: Could you please prove to those who are still not sure you are an avatar?((

))Bhagavan: Certainly I will prove in the course of the process. The best thing will be for you to devise the proof, and I will meet you on your terms.((

He's suggesting he's more God than you and I by suggesting he will manifest miracles as proof.

4. there are close friends of mine who have been to the golden city, and there can be no doubt that something deeper was seen from their time there.

I suggest it is merely an emotionally-based trance state along the lines of a feel good old time tent revival meeting.

Again, i have no direct experience of this man, so i am not able to make comment. Do you?

All I need to know that it's bullshit are to repeat the words: neti, neti.

5. i comment that isaac has expressed concens about the oneness movement, but rather than acknowledge this you leap straight over it

The latest letter I have from him:

))A few days since we are back. Wanted to wait a few days to get a better perspective on our time at Oneness University. For us there was not much experience during our time there and indeed we didn't go for an experience. Just open to see what happened in the context of this vision. Many others had profound experiences, recognitions and shifts in where they operate from. For us on getting back we can notice that there has been a deepening in the capacity to be present and a sense of being more quiet. We are in awe how it keeps deepening. In noticing this deepening, always hard to put it on something, yet I know Oneness had something to do with this.((

That sure sounds like a healthy endorsement to me.

6. you could only comment on the relative value of isaacs satsang if you have sat with him. i have never sat with gangaji, adyashanti, neelam, papaji, ramana etc etc so i am not qualified to comment on the value of their satsangs - and semantic ducking and weaving around it won't make any difference

His adoption of the Kracki's nonsense gives me a good platform from which to evaluate his satsang.

7. isaac and anandaka have not 'bought into' anything - they were invited, they went, they had no 'experience' in being there, they came back and answered the sanghas questions about what they saw, and then they put it aside

See the letter excerpt above.

8. isaac does not promote himself as a guru - in fact he does not promote himself at all. he has made it very clear he has no interest in being a guru - that he sees his function currently to be pointing people back to what they already know.

I have my doubts about what he knows based on his association with the Kracki.

unlike other so-called gurus or teachers,isaac is readily available on email and phone, and is available to all. there is no great cavalcade that tours with him, he pays his own way, and stays with students rather than in hotels a lot of the time.

That all sounds great. Why did he fall for the Kracki's faux-enlightenment scheme?

This is no primadonna, but a real man, with great humility. he has, and always is, totally exposed.

That's good to know. Perhaps he's wavered a bit. Hopefully he'll get back on track when he finally realizes what a crock the whole thing really is.

9. i do not reject discrimination - in fact, i typically instruct my 'students' not to come back to satsang after seeing who they are - there's no point in continuing to sit with a 'teacher' once you recognise there is nothing but consciousness.

That sounds like a shunt to me. It's about recognizing the source of identity as one's true nature, not painting sense experience with the tag 'consciousness.'

Further, to disciminate on the basis of one's experience is wise, to discriminate on the basis of opinion is foolishness. i have no experience of kalki therefore i have no opinion of him. however, i am clear that there is no experience required for realization - there is nothing required.

Yet the Kracki has got millions of people chasing experience. Billions of orgasms a second, flying to the higher lokas, complete bullshit like that. You don't need to go there to see what a load of bunkum it all is.

10. your comments about isaac creating a storm of occluding beliefs in his satsangs are not my experience of him - now or ever. Perhaps that is your opinion - but if you had sat with him, you would know the difference.

Perhaps. I go a bit overboard sometimes. However, the idea that self-realization comes by way of a psychic "phone-tree" for a fee? Nonsense. The fact that Issac hasn't seemed to recognize this is troubling to a Vedantin.

Should the opportunity arise to sit with isaac, perhaps you will find him as open to your rigorous questioning as any.

We exchanged a few emails when I published this particular entry. He basically trashed me right back... but didn't address my concerns adequately, IMO.

you are clearly devoted to Truth - i have looked through posts on your other site - i would caution against allowing that devotion to become confused with mental posturing, however.

We've got it under control, Cameron.

what you believe about realisation prevents realisation, as you say. Clearly you believe that realisation has nothing to do with deeksha.

"Whatever is known is limited, mortal, and full of misery; and hence is to be rejected."
--Sankara (commentary from verse 4 of the Kena Upanishad)

Deeksha's popularity is based on the experiences it appears to generate, which all have as much to do with our truth as the Self as my dog's ass.

For me, i have no opinion on it, and see no value in having an opinion on it. Until i meet the man, what can i say of him except 'he is'

"He is" taking in millions of dollars selling false enlightenment.

After all, Kalki is just consciousness - same as everything else.

Advaita shuffling noted.

A speeding Peterbilt is just consciousness too. But you wouldn't want to place your body in front of one on the freeway.

 
At 8/01/2006 3:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys....
What is this think, that Kracki is available for all?
Only for those who themselfes can make good propaganda of his company,
who, by the way they are even "invited" to the process.... with no need to pay the $5650
Otherwise, one has to pay an extra amount (big one) to have a couple of minutes of his own, only if the dasas let u (or u give a better price)
IS this the good he is doing for India? who's citizens can't do "that" process unless they pay what they obviously do not have.
It amazes me the importance that VIPS have for that "avatar"...
Then of course, Zaphiro, and others, like Roth, or Deva Premal, or ... will be an influence for all their "followers"...who will run on mases to get "that" what their admired ones got.

 
At 5/04/2009 9:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am very concerned about the rise of teachers who claim to be enlightened or awake and are clearly not. The Buddha said that enlightenment was beyond all desire and yet many clearly have desire , not least for money, and charge ridiculous amounts for retreats, satsangs etc. Many of these people promote no ethical code or teaching of cause and effect and hence their followers repeat the same habits which caused suffering and thus continue to cause suffering.
There are genuine organisations where donations only are asked for and much selfless service abounds.... the 'feel' is entirely different....

Poor behaviour - displays of anger, greed or lust should be warning signs ...keep away....

There are notable exceptions to those who charge a lot and are genuine eg Byron Katie...in her one sees no greed for money, no justification and nothing actully that doesn't 'seem' and 'feel' right intuitively.
It is quite possible that much harm can come to teachers who are less than impeccably scrupulous in their behaviour and claims and also harm to their followers.
I would urge great caution in this feild.
May god guide all...

 

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