Friday, December 01, 2006

Where I'mma Bhagocon Hides The Loot

File under: Gurus Clockin' Dollars and Satscams

Kalki Bhagavan and his name-stealing consort Amma are apparently quite the business-minded twosome, according to a comment made recently on this blog:
Great to see that someone understands that the Oneness Movement is fraud. You will be surprised to know that both Amma and Bhagavan are not as spiritual as you may expect. They are real business people and invest all the cash they receive from donations into their movies and music business in the U.S. and a software company also in the U.S.
We knew the Krackster was a failed businessman before he started up the satscam that now pulls in millions a month, but we didn't know he was also in the entertainment business here in the States.

We're putting the call out to anyone who can tell us exactly what the names of these businesses are and exactly what it is that they are selling. Tips will remain strictly confidential, so Dasas can rest assured that dropping the dime on their bosses will not get back to them via this blog.

26 Comments:

At 12/01/2006 10:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check Sri Maduji in the following link. He hangs around LA and runs a music studio and movies business for Bhagavan.

https://www.onenessmovement.org/recent_news.cfm

Chaiman of all Kalki Businesses - Krishna (Bhagavan's son). Search for Krishna's name here:
http://www.onenessmovementdc.org/related_articles/inteview_samadarshini.php

See their websites and search for the name Krishna. Following are some of their businesses:

http://www.kosmicfilms.com/aboutus.php

http://www.kosmicmusic.com/english/home.php

http://www.kosmicsolutions.com/dbn/tetra/news_capital.htm

www.risingsolutions.com ( new business in the Silicon Valley)

 
At 12/02/2006 1:55 AM, Anonymous aBitAmazed said...

hi, jodi perhaps u can shed some light on this.

it always amazes me how these 'gurus' seems to be able to attract such huge following ?
what sets them apart from the common people on the street that they scam?

could it be that these guru are somehow more confident?
perhaps they have an aura around them?
i can't possibly get near them, so i have no way of knowing. what say you?

being able to put on such a huge scam and sustaining it without it collapsing like a pyramid scheme; there must be a few good brain cells at work there.

yes i am amazed by the huge amt of 'donation' that they 'receive' from their 'followers'.

i am more amazed than disgusted on how they do that.

 
At 12/02/2006 6:04 PM, Blogger Stuart said...

aBitAmazed said...
> it always amazes me how
> these 'gurus' seems to be able
> to attract such huge following ?
> what sets them apart from the
> common people on the street that
> they scam?
> could it be that these guru are
> somehow more confident?

To begin with... our condition as human beings is that we're in this world, but we don't know where we came from, don't know where we're going, and don't know who we are. These days, I find that if I'm completely honest and accept this not-knowing 100%, it's no problem, in fact it's kinda wonderful. But when I was younger, it made me damn uncomfortable.

So I found a guru who projected this confidence that he did know the answers, and I guess I attached to him as a way to pretend I knew who I am and why I'm here and all. To avoid facing the big questions, which seem so menacing until you stare them down for a while.

A second point is that all of these gurus have at least a little truth in their teaching. It was from a guru that I first got the teaching that how I keep my mind, how I think, can be the most powerful thing in the world. Previously, I had assumed that life was all about getting stuff on the outside (material things, good feelings, nice situations, the relationships I wanted, etc). This is a really great teaching, so I made the mistake of thinking that *everything* the guru said was truth, rather than the more efficient strategy of taking the good teaching and rejecting the bullshit.

Finally, our DNA, in its wisdom, has made us herding animals. It's taken a lot of time for me to believe in myself, rather than following the crowd. That is to say... the guru personally doesn't have to have any special power. He just has to gather around him a critical mass of people who all confidently believe the same way. When I found such a situation, there was a huge pull to go along with the group thinking, no matter how illogical or contradictory it got.

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/socalled.htm

 
At 12/02/2006 6:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They offer something, at least it's my understanding that Kalki and his 'diksha' technique do. I'm not sure what it is, having never been to a 'diksha,' but it's my surmise that it is a large part hype, along with a physical experience, which is billed as releasing past conditioning. (And those drawn to New Age psycho/spirituality love a technique which releases past conditioning). Add in a healthy pinch of lemming mentality, and a dash of Emperor's new clothes, and le voila, you have the 'diksha experience.'

And if that's what your friends are doing, and it is considered hip, in, and beneficial, hey, you don't want to be left behind, (and uncool) do you?

 
At 12/03/2006 12:35 PM, Anonymous durga said...

Anon said :And those drawn to New Age psycho/spirituality love a technique which releases past conditioning.

I think psycho spirituality is a good thing. We have to deal with the emotional stuff of reality and it can suck when past conditioning prevents us from actualizing our potential and realizing our inherent self worth. the problem is that there is so much BS out there, like the kalki, and his adherents and followers who promote their own brand of psycho spiritual babble. I read a book by John Wellwood, called Perfect love, Imperfect Relationships. he seems to offer something real about psycho-spirituality without serving up this narcissistic shit involving guru worship or magical thinking, which is what the deeksha people do. They say deeksha allows you to "melt" into your "self", where anger, fear and guilt magically dissolve. and hey, no work involved, just receive the "energy" and get healed quick. Fast food spirituality, the American way. .

 
At 12/04/2006 8:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

kalki is a great salesman, who loves his bussiness a lot.
and the crowds of deeksha people, are just inmature spiritual seekers seekeing what they always had... and paying $thousands, for something that they themselves will try convince themselves that they receive.... specially, because after they become special people giving something that the rest don't have,the diksha.
and many jump into the scenary of the "enlightened ones" which is very good to feed their egos disguished into fake humble individuals...so full of love...(and special energy).
How ever, after being quite involved into diksha myself, and having been there several times,
I realize that all this spiritual market if it helps at least 1 it did its purpose.
I personally have been so depressed and dissillussioned after seeing the truth behind, that something opened after the dissilussionment.
So God bless also the Faux avatars, and help the "seekers" to stop seeking out there...
I love this site.

 
At 12/04/2006 8:39 AM, Blogger facedog said...

Stuart said, " These days, I find that if I'm completely honest and accept this not-knowing 100%, it's no problem, in fact it's kinda wonderful. But when I was younger, it made me damn uncomfortable."

Exactly my experience, Stuart. This is one of the nice parts of getting older, acceptance of what is. I suffer when I am unable or unwilling to do that.

 
At 12/04/2006 8:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Durga said, " Fast food spirituality, the American way. ."

I don't see anything particularly American about this. It's been happening since the beginning of time. This Kalki bullshit has been going on in India for 15 years or so. What makes this American? This statement itself is narcissistic.

 
At 12/04/2006 9:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.kosmicfilms.com/companies.php

there u find all kind of busseness, music, films, construction,...
meanwhile their major Golden Temple, which will make humanity enlightened, is still not finished, due to lack of donations...

 
At 12/04/2006 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.onenessmovementdc.org/other_services.php

so check out what they sell now...
Please, don't need to pay....
You can do it without paying!!!!!

 
At 12/04/2006 10:54 AM, Anonymous durga said...

"This Kalki bullshit has been going on in India for 15 years or so. What makes this American? This statement itself is narcissistic".

I am 100% american and there is a very obvious spiritual materialism in this country. I can't speak for other countries but I have a right to comment on my own.

 
At 12/04/2006 2:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Durga said, "I have a right to comment on my own."

Sure you do, as I have the right to point out that your easy description of "American" spirituality is light weight and bogus.

 
At 12/04/2006 7:42 PM, Anonymous durga said...

Sure you do, as I have the right to point out that your easy description of "American" spirituality is light weight and bogus.

Maybe it is inaccurate, but bogus? please! Save the derogatory adjectives for things that really deserve to be criticized, like the Kalki and his money making machine.

 
At 12/05/2006 10:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fast food spirituality, the American way..."

Durga, this is as much an occluding idea as any other. I'd say keep your own focus on those who take advantage of the sincerity of American devotees. Your criticism is abusive!

 
At 12/05/2006 11:01 AM, Blogger jody said...

Your criticism is abusive!

Abusive to flimflamming gurus perhaps, which is a.o.k in my book. I agree with Durga in that most Vedic-based spirituality in America is given the "fast food" treatment. TM™ is a primary example of this, as is the deeksha scam and many other injections of Hinduism into Western culture.

 
At 12/05/2006 12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

most Vedic-based spirituality in America is given the "fast food" treatment.

Econ 101: demand and supply. Most "spiritual" Americans are not interested in the unvarnished truth, but like it nicely packaged, with a bow on top. So that's what they are sold.

 
At 12/05/2006 7:03 PM, Anonymous durga said...

By the way, several other deeksha givers in austin have discovered the truth about the kalki. Here is some of what they say:

"With this notice we are withdrawing from the deeksha community. For the
sake of our spiritual integrity, we must go on record and declare ourselves
to be completely disassociated from Bagahvan and all his activities. We have
asked Sri Rani to take us off the deeksha givers list.

We now believe that Bagahvan's mission is to prevent mans ascension, not
to facilitate it. While I was there for the 21 day retreat, one of the dasas
told a story to the men's group about another dasa. He said that Bagahvan
put a cap on his growth in consciousness because the dasa would be of more
use to Bagahvan at that level. I heard this as a huge red flag at the time.
This was one of the reasons that we always said a lot of other prayers
before invoking deeksha. We wanted to do everything we could to see to it
that we did no harm.....
Working through
spirit guides we learned that Bagahvan, despite what he says in public,
really does want to be worshipped as God on earth. We were told that if you
go through the 21 day program and do not accept Bagahvan as God on earth,
you may start to have problems.

 
At 12/06/2006 7:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We now believe that Bagahvan's mission is to prevent mans ascension, not
to facilitate it."

No, his mission is to amass as much money as he can, make fools of as many as he can. This is just another way of giving this asshole power. Whoever wrote this drivel has successfully become even more foolish by leaving the Kalki avatard than he was by coming to him. You Texans are batting a thousand!

 
At 12/06/2006 8:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody said,

" I agree with Durga in that most Vedic-based spirituality in America is given the "fast food" treatment..."

I agree and I guess I wasn't communicating that well with the "abusive" word. What I was trying to say is that "American" has no real place in this. That's a cheap shot at the sincerity of people who are trying in whatever way they can find, to wake up. Every person who has expressed anger and resentment toward false gurus and teachings on this blog was at one time such a "fast food" eater, myself included. But I wasn't looking for fast food when I took the first bite. I was looking for something real. You mention TM as being a prime example. I agree again, but my own experience was that I gained a lot by doing it. I experienced over and over an expansive awareness that I perceived as more real than my own personality and body. It was a beginning for me and it also helped me physically and mentally. Ultimate truth in that? No way.

But this has nothing to do with being American. These groups flourish in every part of the world. Australia is a perfect example. I don't hear anybody demeaning Australia because of it. Most of these teachings and teachers come from India. If you go to India as many of us have, you will find that almost everyone is trying to scam you or steal from you. Try to buy a bottle of water or a post card and you are likely being scammed, but does that say anything about the nature and character of Indians? Say "yes" and Durga will accuse you of being racist!

Also by the way, “fast food” has existed since time immemorial. It wasn’t created in America.

 
At 12/06/2006 8:08 AM, Anonymous durga said...

Anon said: Your criticism is abusive!

At least I am able to reevaluate the statements I make, as i said that perhaps it is inaccurate. But you seem not to have noticed that and are more interested in name calling. 'Abusive' being the best one yet.
Buddha 101: "on a more existential level we humans seem to be a coreless circuitry of conditions that
by function of our ignorance project/dream/scream/shoot/
shit/blame/spurt/spit/drip/plunder all over "otherness" - as if "otherness"
was our personal drive-in theater, our personal cinematic, on which we live out our dream/scream. some of us are projectors others are screens...
and all of us have a bit of everything ...
thus the buddha likened the dharma - the path of freedom - to that of waking up from a dream."

So why don't we both get off the delusion bandwagon and admit we are both projecting to some degree, which is easy to do on blogs such as these, where we can be anonymous and don't have to suffer the consequences of what we say.

 
At 12/06/2006 9:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Durga,

"I agree and I guess I wasn't communicating that well with the "abusive" word.

 
At 12/06/2006 9:48 AM, Anonymous durga said...

Anon said: What I was trying to say is that "American" has no real place in this."

You are probably right about that. the night I wrote that post I was in a bad mood and was thinking about all the new age bs people have been trying to push on me lately (mainly an ex-boyfriend). That together with my experiences in deeksha and annoyed at "the secret" fueled my anti-american statement.
I also believed in some of this stuff and got duped or disillusioned, and I identify with seekers who want to know the real McCoy (as my grandmother used to say). I am one myself.

 
At 12/06/2006 10:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Durga,

I have learned something here from you today. You are sincere and this must help you keep going. By the way, what is "the secret" ?

The anon above

 
At 12/07/2006 7:14 AM, Anonymous durga said...

anon said: have learned something here from you today. You are sincere and this must help you keep going.

Thanks for saying that anon. the Secret is a documentary about "the law of attraction". Basically, it says we attract what we think about. Think positive thoughts, pos. things happen, think neg. thoughts, and we manifest the negative. Personally, I think it is spiritual fundamentalism, or thought fascism, as someone I am friends with keeps shutting me up whenever I mention things that aren't going well in my life or anything negative. In any case, Jody gave me a blog that has some info on it : http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/2006/08/sell-me-secret.html

 
At 12/13/2006 1:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was introduced to deeksha in September. I don't consider myself easily swayed and am actually quite cynical and have a strong analytical mind. I went to deeksha evenings with a friend because I'd never heard of it and wanted to see what it was for myself. The people giving the deeksha evenings were great people, never pressured anyone overtly.

After a few weeks I did start to feel different, happier. I could feel the deeksha energy while I was receiving it and started to feel it while I was on my own, walking around, etc. It felt good and my skepticism started to be worn away.

There were various other circumstances in my life, one of which was that I was planning a big trip in January. I heard about the 21 day process and became interested - why not go to India? At first, I was dismayed at the price and at the application which seemed a bit strange to me, but I signed up - convinced myself it would be okay. I listened to my friend talk about her process and she basically had handed her entire life over to Bhagavan and that scared me a lot.

I have no interest in "enlightenment" or in making AmmaBhagavan into my god figure - that to me is all bullshit and was never my goal. The thing that got me hooked is the way the energy made me feel and I have to say, I do feel more joyful on a regular basis, but I also see that there are many reasons for this and the deeksha is just one thing that I was doing differently.

I began digging around this week to see what info I could find as most of what I'd seen on the web was from the Oneness Movement, thus biased. I had felt a distinct culty vibe from the website, but not from the actual people I've encountered, except that they have all obviously drank the koolaid and they will just tell me that my fear and trepidation is because I have issues surrendering to the avatars.

I DO have issues surrendering to these people and have no interest in doing so. And the steep price tag makes me feel like I will be even more of a walking money bag in India. Supposedly when the devotees get there, everyone in town knows who they are and what they've spent - the whole thing feels dangerous.

On one level, the money doesn't matter if you have it. It's just an energy exchange, albeit a rather large one compared to every other ashram in India, but on another, it's a misuse and abuse of power - that is the problem. I suppose all gurus are doing this to some extent. Kalki is just smarter about it and is charging what he thinks the deeksha is worth and what people will pay to feel good - and it does feel good.

I would love to hear more from people who have actually experienced deeksha. At this point, I'm not going to Kalki's ashram because it scares me. So, thanks for posting alternative opinions. I'm sure one of the followers will say I have trust issues and that this is part of the karma that needs to be burned away or that I'm searching for the negative and that's what I'm getting but, I feel like I'm trusting myself and that is the most important thing.

 
At 11/15/2007 11:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am a mahadeeksha person. i have been right in and have seen all the fraudulent activities that go on in there. i am surprised to see that there are so many people who allow themselves to be fooled so.
anyways the aim of "bhagavan" is not only to amass wealth but to get into politics and "save india".my people should know this and get enlightened from all this bull shit

 

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